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this is deja vu news live from trump sends a message of thanks to well wishers as he begins treatment for coverage 19. u.s. president has been transferred to a military hospital after showing symptoms of the disease also coming up germany marks the 30th anniversary of reunification 3 decades have a lot of progress but divisions between east and west remain.
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a michael welcome u.s. president donald trump is being treated at a military hospital after testing positive for covert 19 he's expected to remain at walter reed medical center for several days says he's taking the drug year earlier white house officials said the hospitalization was only a precautionary measure and trump would continue his presidential duties. the 1st glimpses of the u.s. president since he shocked the world with his covert 1000 diagnosis. here donald trump has been transferred to hospital with officials insisting it's only a precautionary measure. the white house said he was fatigued but in good spirits
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and experiencing mild symptoms before takeoff the president assured his supporters he was doing ok. thank you everybody for the tremendous support. to walter reed hospital i think i knew we were. going to make sure. the 1st lady is doing. so thank you very much appreciate it. thank you. the white house had been on high alert after news that a top aide was diagnosed with a virus on thursday hope pics seen here in the brown coat often travels with president trump. now the race is on to trace and test the people who might have come in contact with the president. and the potential pool of people is huge with an election to win trump has been on the road addressing voters and he hasn't always won a face mask or followed social distancing guidelines. outside of walter
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reed trump supporters gathered to show their support for the president. but with a month until the election trumps illness has thrown the campaign into uncharted territory. if donald trump sustain office he's going to have to beat the coronavirus 1st. joining me now our correspondent in washington greetings maya what do we know right now about the president's condition and the treatment he's receiving. was condition earlier they were described as mild and then progressed to moderate we know that he's on a cocktail of different drugs and according to his doctors he seems to be responding well to the treatment we also know that the 1st lady has a quote mild cough and a headache the white house really seems to be putting out information to try to mollify the public make it look like he's doing well at least you know downplaying any possible idea that the symptoms are severe or saying things like oh he's
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energetic he's still working at the hospital he's in good spirits meanwhile we do have media reports that he is feverish and fatigue so it's a question of how much is the white house being really truly transparent here and how much are they trying to as i said mollify the public and one can't deny his age i mean he's clearly in his seventy's how serious is this situation. well it certainly seems to have had quite a blast radius shall we say we're up to 8 other people at least who have also come forward recently and they have also been tested positive and who knows how many more are going to come forward over the weekend we have 3 reporters who have been around the same events as trump who have come forward and said they're positive to senators as well as former new jersey governor chris christie his former aide kellyanne conway his campaign manager all of these are people who are very close to the president but it's not just these you know top d.c.
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politicos the trump campaign has done events in 7 different states over the past week and last saturday he was in pennsylvania which is a very hot important state for both candidates to try to capture thousands of people showed up at a trump rally and now the state health department is begging these people to please go get tested so it is not just in washington it's potentially thousands more people across the country so of course the main news at this hour is the fact that the president's been hospitalized as we've been reporting we know he'll be here he'll have to be out of commission for at least several days what does this mean for the election. well i have several days that he and the 1st lady have said that they are going to quarantine for the 4 full 14 days which brings up questions of when the next debates are supposed to happen this is a very destabilizing event in what was always already a very norm's shattering campaign season and he's had to cancel or postpone most of
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his big rallies which are really you know the centerpiece of his campaign and for a president that if you believe the polls is currently trailing in the polls behind his opponent that's really not a good luck now on biden side biden has to try to walk the line between looking crass and political and being able to use this moment to play up his plan for the pandemic his plan for economic recovery and cast himself in contrast to trump's more shall we say cavalier approach to the crisis mire schweder with the latest in what's been the extraordinary political season in the united states to say the least thanks so much. let's turn now to some the other stories making news at this hour early voting has begun in new zealand's general election prime minister descended dern was among the 1st to cast her ballot in the lead up to election day on october 17th the labor party leader is expected to win a 2nd term thanks to her handling of the krona virus pandemic and other crises. an
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unmanned cargo rocket has taken off from the wall of island spaceport in virginia with some 3 and a half tons of cargo on board the cygnus is carrying supplies for astronauts aboard the international space station along with materials for scientific experiments. and rule germany is marking the 30th anniversary of reunification an event many thought would never happen east germans were hoping for a better life many found a new opportunities and improve their standard of living but others found themselves in the midst of upheaval and were left behind even now 30 years later divisions remain between east and west. there was no master plan no example worldwide for this is turning event gemma freezing if you cation. not even a year before the bowling ball had come down after months of peaceful protest and
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the from the east just. 5 u.s. u.k. france and the soviet union gave the green light paving the way to unify the 2 germany. those from the east had to adapt to many things new money and the economic system and a new lifestyle soon the disillusionment kicked in. because you know there is. no me financial called. the social medical. connected with the client economic decline or germany and the us unemployment no ready mentioned before in east germany as many as 4000000 workers in the east saw their jobs disappear countless others had to take on the work that was below their qualifications many young and educated people left to look for
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a better life some areas feel the neglect to this day. there are rural areas where there's a lot of poverty and rip people feel left behind churning towards what they have which is often their national identity or even their racial identities and the last national elections the center right and center left parties were more popular in the west and germany the far left and extreme right in eastern germany. a celebration nevertheless takes place every year with good reason we have had 30 years of peace and prosperity for a lot of people we think of germany as such a stable and secure country i think it's amazing when you look back at german history over 100 years germany went through from a monarchy to
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a failed democracy to a dictatorship to a communists system to a successful democracy inventor unifications a reinvention as the real headline for german history regardless of the differences we unify germany is often seen as an example of a stable and democratic country. i'm joined now by florentine schmidt historian from the like need center for contemporary history in parts of them germany she's a specialist on communist east germany as well it's nice to have you here on the set and let me start by asking you this what significance to you we unification have for younger germans today. i think that the younger generation takes the reunification for granted so it's simply not possible to imagine this division for 40th and so i think for unification is. a celebration
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to do but it's nothing that. really impact it's you always have to imagine how could it have been to 2 to not be able to maybe study in eastern germany or to live in west germany so it's always a big part of imagination i suppose you could argue the young germans are not unlike young people in any country in that regard i suppose 30 years after the event would you say that the east in the west or on equal footing in other words would you say that they've been able to realise equality. well in terms of equal pay and. i think it's not it's not the same you can still really you have the difference between west and east if you're for example the public sector. but on the other
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hand i think that especially young the young generation has the same chances so i think yes in a way it is and we still have a little bit to go to really make it equal to equal pay but i think we're on a good good way to go would you say that there's some resentment still however on the part of these germans. sure sure and also on the point of west germans i mean it's 40 years this is not not a very sore time and it's a it's a whole generation maybe even 2 generations of people and those people are still working and now most of them. they're going to be retired one day and but they didn't have a lot in common i mean now for me now it's clear that they are germans both but a long time it wasn't it was not it was different it was 2 states co-existing in.
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everyday life obviously for the typical east german radically transformed after reunification but i'm curious about how west germans perceive this is sort milestone. that's an interesting point because i think that people in west germany you really have to. to make a difference if they were in contact with german people for example if they had relatives they. they they went on a regular basis there to visit with family and they really had understanding of how life in the g.d.r. is but if you didn't have any contact with those people most of the west germans were not really interested so i think reunification for most of the people came very very surprising and as well we have the. tax so there are some points where people say ah well money goes to the east so it's
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a lot of. like just some false that are not. undermined with with with it's just something that you heard off and there are even people that haven't visited east germany. place even though it's beautiful. so i think. you made it very clearly florentine schmidt it's a pleasure to have you with us thanks so much thank you. in football now english side liverpool have confirmed their forwards has tested positive for the coronavirus played a key role in helping liverpool win the premier league title last season his symptoms have been described as minor but he will now have to sleep for 10 days many is the 2nd liverpool player to contract the virus this week after. tests.
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recently joined the club by immuno. up to date on this point my name is michael local here in berlin for all of us thank you so much for watching up next an interview with the president of the german been a star both going strobel stay with us for that. i'm skilled at the work that's hard and in the end this is a me you're not allowed to stay here anymore we will send you back. are you familiar with this. with the smugglers were alliance of the what's your story ready. i mean when i was in women especially of victims of violence. take part and send us your story you are trying always to understand this new culture.
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you are not a very little or nothing yet you want to become a citizen. in 4 migrants your platform for reliable information. presents wiping you negotiated its last parts of the german reunification contract impacting wrote quite a significant chunk of it when you look around now 3 decades on is this what you expected my notebook beer but where in the world has anyone ever been able to imagine what is going to happen only 30 years time to spread the. sounds of my videos to listen if you look at europe from the perspective of the year 914 that
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was the era of those who sleepwalked into world war 130 years after the verdict was 944. and if these past 30 years to germany like the whole world was totally transformed skip the idea also there is no longer a leading world pound defining the world order for some time the united states of america appeared to be almost the only remaining superpower but the world has become more diverse we could never have imagined back then how the east west conflict would come to an end but then it did in miraculously without war without the deaths or with almost no deaths and yet that hasn't made the world a safer place instead we see that wars are possible once again only a few years later in the middle of your spirit no no you mention the united states there are you concerned that the us is withdrawing that no no longer wants to define the would have the world and so beautifully starkly mind no i wouldn't say
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that. i mean we europeans for all of us over the fortunate developments of the post-war era alternative at least for western and central europeans less so for eastern europeans who had a tougher time we owe these changes to the fact that the americans learned their lesson from the 1st world war as the period between the wars 3 same leaks that stabilize europe to prevent a repetition of a step in the sea on. i mean just. who are to matter. and know the world has totally changed which is why the chancellor was correct in 2017 when she said we will need to take on a greater share of responsibility for our own security. but i hope that in the future we will continue to share common values the basic principles of human dignity democracy freedom rule of law and i hope also ecological
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sustainability and social justice these are the common values was a good way. to try to get a good minds up and we had to dismiss. the underside of fundamental distinguish us as fundamentally for example from the very successful chinese model which today does hold great attraction but at the price of total control of the whole of economic social and political life and that's not our vision of how to live on this is that he wants the force of them that's why we must try to demonstrate the superiority of least full balanced based on ecological sustainability geo political stability and the principles of western palate is a step in the tate production all of them principally and their best. perverseness could really hear like we europeans cannot do that alone but we need to take the greater share more we take on responsibility and relevance economic
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political military really the more we will influence debate also in america because of where relevant we play a larger role than if we're not the inventor of elements in spirit it was. the speech that indeed many were concerned 30 years ago that many reaganite it could be too strong now many are calling for more leadership. and certainly being too cautious than. i didn't. find him stagnant about this fear of a stronger germany got his situation was a shit and all complicated there were of course very understandable instances in western europe and british prime minister margaret thatcher was known to have set up the immediate reaction from france one meter of whom was similar of course when the 1st being weeks after the fall of the berlin wall the most reliable source for chancellor kohl actually came from the then spanish prime minister gonzales otherwise most of them were
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a bit cautious so to speak. yeah that's true quite. so kind but has this. wondering what it would mean 40 years after the 2nd world for the german he is again i'd largest most populous anger thank you nominally the strongest country in europe but that relatively quickly especially because they understood that this unified germany is all the more reliable because it is a reliable partner and european integration of self interest towards. a polish foreign minister said in a speech not that long ago we used to feel the strength of germany today we rather fear the opposite ends you can still feel the enormous resistance in the german population and thus also in the political parties in germany including in parliament and yet we have to get used to the fact that others expect us to bear a fair share of the common. combined some and last
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i don't feel. them and reunification is seen as a success at the same time the very populism that you mentioned that is very relevant particularly in the east what is it that politicians missed that. talking about germany i would be a little cautious 1st of all economic differences have become smaller numbers but the consequence is a clear for 40 years of social market economy one hand full integration into the european union and the open world trade on it off and on the other hand a socialist bureaucratic state economy which was just not as competitive in the ship about space about i just finished 2 let's stop the not least because of this block the holes i learnt just ago it was not able to create living conditions for its citizens as simple as a liberal order was added to liberal order including the social market economy to be superior to your business if i had to open up the markets. do you believe going
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to give me the t.v. or not is lefty difference you can feel them all over europe people in poland the czech republic and back here or hungary didn't have it any easier than the people in east germany got himself and like the gap as he mentioned. the mention that only the people in the g.d. did not have the opportunity to experience living together with people who come to our country from other parts of the world concert tour this is the make the through the integration was not that great in the west either but we had more experience we also travelled a lot more in the world of the east german. well there's this big men so it's not surprising lot of people who were not used to immigration like people from other cultures to work perhaps with a different skin color or a different religion could be more easily mobilized by populist slogan that they
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gave to mobilise events into populist zipper board. and this does not only apply to the former east germany but take a look at the debates in the czech republic or in congress or the fall and you can't blame people for that but i want to emphasize that. also though we now have the 3rd generation which people since the early 1960 s. his grandparents or maybe even more late grandparents came to germany from turkey and we still have considerable problems in many parts of western germany and that's why we've west germans shouldn't be arrogant towards germans or as yet. but he could have it all starts i'd like to talk about russia present that in the uprooting feels that his country was tricked through germany for unification and the decades that followed what mistake to the west make in dealing with moscow. that many memories for. well you have to understand that the fall of the wall you
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know the cold war this individual actually visually restored it had to do not only with the liberation of the slaves that were under soviet rule very fluid there will fiber decoders whole and eastern europe some of our interest when putin came to power people she had a policy where to a certain extent he wanted to repair like a humiliation of soviet union people felt. he tried that in his only way so if you did your construe quite a parody of a bedroom. he's not right about crimea would just make not only taste but we do need better fairer cooperation with russia fear of a corporate perhaps not everyone in america either understood handled in a radically in the decisive year. we must try to achieve better cooperation with russia. fully respecting the claims history of russia. and by the way
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we must also cooperate with china because. of the now many simply can't imagine that germany without the term comes to an end in 2021 can you imagine a germany without angela merkel the business been of you know i grew up at a time when one couldn't imagine the federal republic of germany without conrad. to that extent i agree. lived in the g.d.r. she would not have become german chancellor without reunification but she is a woman of the very extraordinary qualities on. this one does i did see if that distinguishes her from her previous. year it seems that she will be able to determine when she leaves office i spoke to. my wife told me a long time ago you may never give up voluntarily a video of. his medical is different from the main he will say for herself when
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it's announced under such a meadow or diva. but it's going to restore decide it seems that she can do the stuff and if she does that in the coming year then i think she really will have deserved that it would be for that after the enormous amount she has contributed in those 16 or however many years it is if you leaving our country in this difficult time does of she have a concern to you for your order and our quits right again and after that life will go on are going to agree with me for this is how it is years ago i couldn't imagine how things would be today for us and i can't imagine now what it will be in 10 years but i believe we will still be a strong free democracy based on the rule of law in 10 years time and also after the federal election next year a democrat is we will find a new chancellor not a board of voters will decide on 7 feet in 2021 she is no longer available i know that germany will go on seated and so will your room. were done but that's
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i neediness. i. 30 years ago these images went around the world on october 3rd 9090 germany was united barely one year after the fall of the valid war the signing of the unification treaty in 1990 saw the ends of east germany now
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all germans share one kolya months and one currency and today only remnants of the burden wall remain. and with a war welcome to this special edition of your all next we'll be taking you on a 2 of the german capital including places where the german german divide has left its mark here at the pot some up lots this is where the border used to run and for a long time it was a barren space there are no signs of it here today in today's program we will meet a window of germany you need to define love without borders and take in a star look back at the ball and techno see yeah but 1st we meet an artist who hurt to shape the image of birdland after a unity jim. jim and the young created
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a 15 meter stretch of the east side gallery the longest remaining section of the berlin wall. we met him by his artwork at the famous open air gallery. thank you the. complex song i think german unity was a complex and difficult process and i think it's still not completed. even though i wasn't so sure about it at the time it's good that it happened it was necessary. and looking back i must say that i'm happy to have witnessed the entire process. artists have the opportunity to do a lot of the east and the west and to get to know what i understand both sides and maybe reflect that in my work somehow. speaking to. 99118 artists from 21 countries brightened up a 1300 metre long section of the wall that faced.
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painted 30 years ago and what became known as the east side gallery. in kind of eyes with none of us had any way of knowing that it would become what it is today namely one of the main tourist attractions in berlin or in germany. and a kind of memorial a place of pilgrimage for people from all over the world who want to remember the wall of pentagon. this is what his section of the wall looks like today in 2013 he secretly painted over his old work and calls described the avenue and his health is one just to make a statement about the negative aspects of the new berlin. i painted everything art witnessed in berlin in 2013. investors all the digital became units walking around with lattes on their laptops and the world queuing in front of clubs they won't get interviewed for the phone call to the artist grew up in west germany and in the
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1990 s. was active in the lens art scene he painted murals on the walls of techno clubs and helped provoke a sea of happenings then he was commissioned to work for a watch manufacturer and an airline. his larger than life murals can now be found around the globe. having you on what is. musician and a d.j. . under the name neo until he releases videos and regularly performs in clubs throughout germany. the 1st and foremost he's a painter and one of germany's most successful pop art artists his artist's name is a tribute to the french says he when he began his career with street his colorful interpretations of abuses in the world has become his trademark his current exhibition in berlin is entitled to morrow.
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to morrow never noticed one of my favorite beatle songs and describes a sense of life's uncertainties. it's always been this way but especially now we can't predict where the world is heading. due to the whole corona thing but also politically. on the one hand there's a sense of anticipation but also an unsettling feeling of insecurity. in june of this year other your put this feeling into images on the 40 meter high will of the building in northern ireland. weighed down by unwanted ballast is a balloon heading into the i mean i really can't imagine what the future holds for the world for germany or for berlin. yet he remains an optimist because he saw how a wall that people once died trying to cross became a work of art. i have
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a hard time imagining what it would be like if germany were still divided. but i think it'll take one or 2 more generations before this process is completed. the process of. jim will continue to monitor this process closer. and no doubt discover many more motifs for his work. even if it might look like the building behind me is not an old palace on a going renovation the whole old form is a completely new building it is the reconstruction of the old ball in city palace building it was a lengthy process and it's still not finished and now work is also on the way outside the building on the monuments to freedom and this follows a lot of political debate on the project and we met up with one of its creators.
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the planned monument to freedom and unity was designed by sebastiaan let's. the concept is a 50 meter moving bowl that visitors can access different nuff people move to one side together to gently tips that way. the monument is meant to commemorate the peaceful revolution in the former east germany. didn't do this is just a new mention the idea is for people who gather on this monument to get a feeling for what happened in 1990. for them to communicate move in one direction together. and use their weight to alter the position of the ball and create their own living image and so on guns have been because bullets at. the monument will be located near to such landmarks as the brandenburg gate the t.v. tower. and berlin cathedral. they attract tourists from all around the world to what used to be east berlin. the reconstructed berlin palace
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will be an added attraction and if the work goes according to plan the monument to freedom and unity will stand in front of it by late 2021. distinct my verdict on this monument owners 1st all of the brave east german citizens who dared to take to the streets in 190990 here and fight for democracy and freedom it told we must not forget east germany was a totalitarian regime to come from and now a monument will honor them here in the heart of berlin. the site of the future monument is itself historically significant the original berlin palace and the national kaiser bill hemmer one stood here in 1950 the east german leadership had both of them demolished. the old palace was replaced by the so-called palace of the republic the seat of the east german parliament which is the. on the side of
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the mid 1970. $989.00 the peaceful revolution led to the end of east germany and the reunification process. later the east german parliament building was demolished . in its place will be the new berlin palace and the monument. the most one also. i have to say is the place we're at now is steeped in history often the palace of the republic stood here the east germany foreign ministry and the state council building stood there so of course this place was very important for east germany as well. and 2013 members of the stuttgart architectural firm miller and partner completed a life size model. but political disagreements kept delaying the start of the actual construction of the symbolic groundbreaking finally took place in may 2020. the foundation integrates the surviving banks of the old national kaiser built a monument there by combining the past and present. a modest of the more
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looking at this model you see the steps here and the big platform which takes up almost the entire space that one surrounded the equestrian monument that store here in the center. and what's really interesting is that now it's the viewers will be standing at the center where at one time kaiser bill him stood that's now the visitors will be standing because of them stunned dashing that's because we put. if everyone plays their part the monument to freedom and unity will embody what its title suggests. citizens in motion. the wall that used to divide east and west once stood here right beside the river you can still find remains of the old wall now known as east side gallery of course today it is no longer divides the city but attracts tourists from all over the world and even so. a year after german unity many germans refer to things east and
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west although they have so much in common and that is the theme of the hartford project by 2 local artists. 30 years after reunification 30 people couples friends and business partners all from the former east and west germany are taking part in an art project. got want to watch i know that more without reunification we definitely want it it would have been very unlikely. that. the project is one of many to mark the anniversary of reunification here to mark fat and meet our imports stop recording the heartbeats of 15 couples who wouldn't be together had reunification never happened. it was important for us to find the common ground in all the different couples and for us it was the heartbeat the essence the core of human beings let's mention the
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power of your dick wrong because coming today are all people who are affected by the fall of the wall or unification. one is always from the east and the other from the west who would not have met otherwise you could walk from. and salinas sure star our coworkers. uses a digital stethoscope to record their heartbeats. market 1st a graph of the couples also part of the art project every pair has a story of their own no matter when they were born. dear. old fellow i wasn't even born so i didn't experience it directly. but of course you hear a few stories about it from your grandparents and your parents. but i don't make a big deal of it. really 5 to and between i heard
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space was still teenagers back in the 1990 s. the friends got to know each other over 20 years ago in berlin. the artists also document the couple's hopes and dreams for the future. i wish we could come closer to one another. starting now come together worldwide. when i was 1st i come from west berlin on this and i come from christian and it has been completely honest with each other a lot of all superficial. you always hear about the know it all westerners who are always explaining things. but this was you were never like that you always said look you can do things this way i'm in such a way i could totally accept it. as it was and if you weren't doing it constantly but you never adopted a superior man or. life going to meet it it's
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a sound collage from the heartbeat recordings and adds his own music. when the participants heartbeats come together it produces a very special kind of rhythm. this fund this is the exciting thing is this way it follows a very similar pattern for the couples after they've been here for a while their heart beats not even lockstep so they wave that very similar. this is here crosstalk used to being east germany. and russia heights met their while dancing the tango and fall in love when i'm from the west and moved to rostock many years ago without reunification we never would have made it more than we can get. and since then we've been dancing together and are happy everything works so well here and 30 years from now and we're going to still be dancing. all say germans from the form east and west have grown much closer since we. if
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occasion and familiarity of germans would agree. here beside me you can see a way in on berlin where he was born and became famous here the pedestrian traffic light might infect the east german 150 years ago the 1st east german traffic live man where instilled in west berlin and the old ones removed they were among the few things from the former east germany to live on in our everyday lives and nowadays you can see that on pedestrian trussing throughout the city. is a little chubby as a poultice knows and always wears a hat the traffic light from the former east germany known as the complementary and so now he's a bit of a cute childlike figure he's also a grown man with.

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