be done. make up your. this is deja news a show coming up today a meeting of friends against a common fault. china is in focus as foreign ministers from the us and 3 into pacific countries need to cooperate against things should be giants but where is this cooperation headed and all these countries really united in pompous plus. in the us call system and focus indians are angry young woman is no more cost may have been one of the factor as it helps to prove gang rape and murder.

i've been a strategy welcome to d.w. news asia that you could join us earlier this week for the ministers from the u.s. japan india and australia met in tokyo despite a raging pandemic their aim to discuss their response to chinese influence in the region what u.s. secretary of state might pompei or described as the chinese communist parties exploitation corruption and coercion the meeting between the 4 known as the quad comes at a time that each of these countries is facing increased pressure from china either militarily diplomatically or through trade i'll be asking an expert what these countries plan to do but 1st this report. foreign ministers from 4 of the egypt listen. region's biggest powers coming together for face to face talks in

tokyo. it's only the 2nd time that they've met in this format but quad members say they're keen to step up cooperation the fact that we are meeting today in person despite a global pandemic is a testimony to the importance consultations have gained. one major player is missing at the table china the united states has made little secret of its desire to counter what it sees as beijing's destabilizing influence. when we met now last year the landscape was very different we could never imagine a pandemic that came from. that crisis was made every worse by the chinese communist party's coverup. b. sheen was quick to respond saying secretary pompei who has repeatedly fabricated lies about china and maliciously created political confrontation we once again urge the us to abandon its cold war mentality and ideological prejudice to leaders whose

japan says the quad means to promote regional peace and prosperity and members say that includes upholding democracy and the international order looting global recovery we believe in a region governed by roots not power we believe in the fundamental importance of individual rights and in a region which in which disputes are resolved to put into international law the analysts point out that quite numbers all have their own individual interests in their relations with china. but it's also possible the group could form the basis of a need to like alliance to contain a rival power. let's have more of this from richard mcgregor he's a senior fellow at the australian think tank the louis institute or turn of the book he shows a reckoning china japan and the fate of us far in the pacific century richard welcome is the quad alliance if i can call of that essentially an anti china

alliance well i think the quote ministers would be a little bit reluctant to call it an alliance which in take a very elevated relationship. is it empty china well that's a very good question and it's a response to china that whether it's a china or not that i think will become clearer as the east goes goes on but it's particularly interesting because in the state as by the various arbutus of what may be in tokyo by u.s. secretary of state was most but that was the one who talked about china the most the others didn't so much it's all about china whether it's a china that's jordan what would it. what does that mean for this grouping of ministers in this group of countries then if my form for you is the only one that is talking about china the others aren't what is it that is binding them together and what is their strategy going forward well i mean china is obviously binding

them together we wouldn't have got a meeting at this level and at this time at a time when the mrs john generally travelling that much because of cut the 19 up without china so china is calling them to give up what is their strategy i think that all of the countries in different ways want to find a way to constrain taught china not contain china but to constrain china to give themselves other options now the us is an empire unto itself the u.s. can handle china on its own india japan and australia they've each other and frankly lead america so it's an effort for some sort of unity in managing the rise of china but how effective will this grouping be given the true ties that each of these countries have with china well if you look at the try to time as each of

them has with chaz with china he would have thought this would never have happened they would have never got to give up because you know each of them individually they trade ties of violence fundamental their economies and this china grows probably fundamental to their futures but china's behavior in those countries judgment has been so as so aggressive so destabilizing that they have to look beyond trade they've got to look to geo strategic issues they've got to look to their political standing that look most of all of this security and that's what this is about because they feel that they want to send a message to china that the way that china is behaving right now is destabilizing. but how do you think this is going to be playing out to do you see for instance this alonso or this grouping developing into some sort of security cooperation amendment well it's going slowly it's always going slowly you know the quote 1st came up about really you know 1314 years ago when mr

a was prime minister of japan for the 1st time then it faded away it's come back again in the last 3 years china has really chilled and attacked and let alone tells you something that if china is angry about it it must matter it's very difficult predict the entire you know the course how the quantum will evolve and indeed with other countries south korea new zealand singapore at some stage might join it but the fact is it is evolving you know it's mechanisms are starting to solidify they are meeting more often and at a higher level constant consultations of them selves develop their own political momentum. you know we're not looking at a night of north asia or all east asia yet but it could of a time become something much more significant but its evolution in the

short term accused will depend on who eventually occupies the white house thanks joe. i think whoever occupies the white house will support the quad. if mr trump is reelected in my view perhaps in a chaotic fashion in other words. you know the other countries will find us less reliable less pretty current predictable less trustworthy our i think it mr biden is elected that will solidify the quad a great deal and in fact the u.s. on the mr biden he believes in alliances unlike mr trump might want to quote to do a lot more of the time so that interest in space to watch thank you so much for joining us richard mcgregor. thank you very much.

in india the rape and murder of a 19 year old woman by for higher cost man has focused attention on india's infamous cost system activists claim the woman was especially well little because she was from the dull it cost formerly known as until untouchables became adults explains the allegedly inept and looking for case by police did abuse money not told the reports from. this shock anger and demands for accountability on the streets of india. 7 demonstrations like this one have been taking place across different states to demand justice for young girls a victim of rape. about 3 hours a week from the national capital i'm not aware that a woman without a deadly gang rape and brutalized by 4 dominic up because. she later died the day he. became a potter popping my outfit welcome back to the fork in the car park line that

didn't exist about. the crime took place in the hottest district of. the country's most populous state and while this strong cost divisions a conflict a particularly evident. for many the horrific crime has put the spotlight back on the discrimination and inequality that ballots formerly known as untouchables. a reality that makes women particularly one of the. jokes not so dark an antique us activist says the attack has underscored how severely oppressed delicate women and other marginalized groups are in india but we're not addressing the root cause of it which is the system and. stemming from as the effect of the system we see every day that these brutalities are man in fact. charred and meted out on the bodies of the little women. people dollar trans people and even

muslim women and muslim community as a whole juts not towards the state the police and the indian society as a whole accountable for the crimes committed against the dalit community and dalit women in particular. the 4 accused in the hot trustees have been arrested but serious questions have been raised against the administration. the police have been accused of watching the case and of tree meeting the victim's body without the consent or presence of a family a former state police chief says the case was handled insensitively he says the woman's cast played a major tool be reached through a police station or. risk group or longer over a trillion long border there for the 30th we're going to process in the 3rd these things and in this thing the government had

a family they were deceiving or rather the length of the incident has once again shown a light on the shocking number of crimes against women particularly that it the men in india and demands to confront the issue of drawing ever louder. and that's it for today be sure to check out other stories on did other dot com. on facebook and twitter we leave you now with a message from a rise fall but in south korea best seen from the sky has planted a giant ships of birds and other creatures into his buddies along with the words of cheer up to those struggling with the. robot on monday about.

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which helped me a lot this keeps me and could help us maybe to truck let's say you want to know their story. during and reliable information. for margaret. a strong testing regime plays a key role in slowing the spread of covert 19 but getting tested can be a major challenge. c and in waiting for the results the sample has to get to the lab and back but can take up to 4 days that is much too long to stop a pandemic and. several nations are developing rapid tests that turn out results within minutes. but exposed so concerned about their accuracy.

when no one wants to be ushered into a false sense of security thinking they haven't got the corona virus but are spreading it and it's a pain to think you do have it when you don't and go to all the trouble of total quarantine that's why these new rapid tests could be a blessing but could they also be a curse. as a journalist i mean quite a lot of people and some of them maybe corona positive so today i want to try out the new antigen test. for either if you were to go i would like you to try and to didn't do it for family prayed i can't show you the test as things stand it can only be given out to medical staff so you don't qualify you can't test yourself you simply have to go to the doctor's . office. after this initial setback i find a doctor who's willing to let me do the test myself not the standard procedure you

. know this is this is the packet containing the antigen quick test i only does it a week ago so i had to read the instructions to and this is a small sterile swab here. you know how much i love you if you can't put your tongue down far enough you can use a stick to help and i'm sure you can tell him the abuses of my hair. not that easy but for me definitely doable have you done both sides yes left and right afterwards the swab goes into a liquid which is then dripped on to the test. one line means negative 2 means positive. so it's pretty clear the test is showing a negative result. sibylla katzenstein things everyone should have a test like this at home you want to know it will be great for a mum for example whose child wakes up feeling sniffly but she isn't sure and is

wondering whether she can take the child to school and go to work herself. patients have access to a simple test they could do at home that will do use the pressure on doctors and laboratories and it would help a lot of people to decide what to do. but critics say the test is not sufficiently reliable here's how laboratory and tests compare. when a person gets infected with coverage 19 the virus load in the body starts to flow increasing rapidly in the 1st days and then decreasing as time passes irregular lab test can detect the virus early on but very little virus load the entered in test can only detect the virus later and the load is higher so does that mean i could actually still be positive despite having a negative result i asked a lower expert when he was asking if the viral load in the throat is not high

enough to begin by the test that might result in a false negative and it's the same if this was not done properly. the antigen test is it fast way of testing. that the test is a sensitive and can completely intact and to do tests can replace tests that they can be of great help in the fight against 90. martin burke has been helping develop an adage and based test at the university of illinois he says it allows for fast and frequent testing large scale and is safe 1st of all how does it work. thanks just to clarify the test that we're currently using is a p c r b's test a saliva test at the university of illinois that was developed to skip arni isolation so it's fast and scalable results are within hours and i think it's important to point out this is different that the antigen test for working on antigen tests here are not roll those out yet in the laboratory. is it also

completely different to an antibody test which would only tell you if you've had an infection and know if you're actually infectious correct our test is looking for the virus in your saliva so we look for 3 genes from the virus it's a quick direct from saliva to p.c.r. assaye so allows us to detect whether the tell you the number of copies per milliliter of the virus in your saliva what makes it safe so the key is that the little detection is very low so we pick up 502-8000 copies per mil we've been now testing about 50000 people twice per week over the course of the last several months more than half a 1000000 tests have been performed and what we see is that people go from negative negative negative and then when they flip positive we can see it at very low viral loads so we think we can catch people before they infect others so it sounds

extremely accurate or precise how how accurate would you say it is. yes very accurate we're looking at 3 genes at the same time and for the positive test we go ahead and repeat them very quickly just to make sure so we believe we have a very high level of accuracy both for positives and negatives which is critical when applying on scale with 50000 people we can have a lot of false positives or false negatives otherwise it's very difficult to make the system work exactly because false negatives of what will implode any testing system and and we've already seen examples in countries where they've stocked up on these rapid test said spot they've been antibody based tests and that's basically backfired on them well i think what we need to learn to do is figure out how to use each type of test in the right setting right so there's a very challenging problem and we have to figure out the best way to use different tests in different situations to maximize protection against spread in

a community we think now that we have a system working with the saliva based test comparing that test directly to these new imaging tests head to head would be a really good way to find out whether they could provide the same level of protection of the test that we're using a month and i guess the question everyone's going to be asking themselves is is this going to be a game changer i hope so and i think we need to figure out how to use the engine tests so that we are not giving ourselves a false sense of security i think we have to understand the limitations every test has limitations and we just need to i think better understand when is the right time to use which test and to understand the limitations so that we don't give ourselves a false sense of confidence but one thing i would just say no matter what test we're using we have to wear masks and social distance known and test will allow us to stop doing that and that's really important and the limitations in this case that you need actual trained personnel to conduct these tests these on tests that

one could do just at home. correct our test is done in a laboratory now the saliva collection is done in tents you just walk through in 5 minutes and dribble saliva into a 2 but then the rest of it is done absolutely you know in a laboratory setting. even mention this won't be the only solution in fighting off the corona virus is it going to take other types of tests and other approaches to see that we do battle this battle off this so fight off this pandemic absolutely i think we need all hands on deck and we need to continue to innovate and find new ways to detect the virus obviously we need a safe and very effective vaccine we continue to need better and better treatments to make sure that people who get sick don't actually die or have long term secretely in the hospital and we all need to continue to do our part obviously this extraordinary challenging time we need to hang in there and continue to be safe and make smart choices about how we socialize and wear masks and social distance it

works and we need to keep those vigilant in place and before i let you go over what sort of timescale are you a timeline to you're looking at because we are now heading into winter in the northern hemisphere it's going to be a very challenging time i expect. absolutely so we're in this for the long haul the university of illinois as i mentioned we've now performed half a 1000000 test last summer months are dealing positively rate is 0.24 percent and but we are not letting our guard down so we figure in this policy for a couple years and i think we all need to just kind of adapt to the new normal where we do very safe thoughtful things to help us get back to thriving as a as a society and as arca commies need to you know thrive as well so it's just really important that we of course think holistically that's my most important message it's got to be a holistic approach i think in order for the store excellent thanks for joining us today thanks for having me on. derek williams turn to take the reins our science correspondent has been busy looking into your questions about the pandemic.

once dangerous is the pneumonia why not find a cure or treatment for the new manuf instead of the virus pneumonia is a blanket term that's generally defined as a more or less serious inflammation of tissue in your air passages and or your lungs it can be caused by a number of different pathogens both both viral and bacterial pneumonia that cove in 1000 can cause is generally initiated by the virus and can't be treated for example with antibiotics which only kill bacteria when they're infected with source code to the cells in the small sacks in their lawns where gas exchange occurs what are called the alveoli begin to die and clog the lungs up and that can eventually lead to what's called acute respiratory distress and drug as the pneumonia

progresses the situation can be exacerbated by the immune system causing massive inflammation which is which is supposed to help get the infection under control but which can actually make things worse so so treating or curing coronavirus pneumonia means either addressing the problem at its root which is the sars code to infection itself or somehow toning down the body's immune response to when it goes over the top. and now to the latest done to from over $200.00 countries which showed new cases doubling in $26.00 nations and increasing in another $83.00 countries they stayed at the same level in 10 countries simply one nations have seen their new positive

cope with 1000 cases full another 11 having and 8 countries have reported no new cases for 4 weeks in a row. he's the bug graph showing the statistics of the last weeks the fight against corona is over when that whole chart turns blue that's going to take a while. good to have you along for another about covert special simon fizzling bye for now.

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