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counter to the fact that. this is a deed of news live from berlin shaky cease fire in the caucasus as warring parties come to the table armenia and azerbaijan agree to hold the conflict over the disputed region of not going to care about. sides but each side quickly blaming the other for breaking the armistice also coming up. early closing in berlin bars and restaurants in the german capital now have to shut their doors at 11 pm authorities are hoping to avoid a new lockdown despite rising corona virus infections and for more cities in france
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shut down their boss entirely because they have put on maximum alert new infections in the countryside to a daily record of 20000. i'm told me a lot it will all come to the program says 5 between armenia and azerbaijan appears to have been short lived as a by johns defense ministry has released footage of what it claims are strikes against the armenian army it says the attacks are in retaliation for armenia violating the ceasefire armenia in turn has accused its full of breaking the deal the 2 former soviet republics earlier agreed to russian demands to hold fed decades long conflict over the disputed region of now gone. hundreds have died in fighting over the last fortnight caught in the middle of thousands of
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displaced civilians. a mother and child forced to take refuge in a school. who is just one of several azerbaijani families who fled here from nearby villages there are scaping heavy fighting near the border of not going to karabakh that's torn their lives apart. in the mess we have cash in the gulf as we have children we were forced to come here but we go back and forth even if they destroy our house we will go back to the guy faster here guy that a fight. over the border in the disputed region of nagorno-karabakh this armenian father surveys the wreckage his 2 sons have been fighting to protect this breakaway territory he blames azerbaijan for the
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devastation. almost. every day 15 to 20 times a day we can't leave basements all shops are closed there's nothing to eat. golden rule. one of going to carrow back is officially in azerbaijan it's controlled by ethnic amini and forces the last 2 weeks have seen the worst fighting since a war over the disputed territory ended in 1994 russia has been mediating between these 2 former soviet states in the early hours of saturday morning a cease fire was announced. this is a version of the republic of us a by john and the republic of armenia are starting substantial negotiations with the aim of achieving a peaceful settlement as soon as possible. now there is to be an exchange of
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prisoners and the repacked relation of bodies. but for families like these caught up in this conflict their biggest dream is for a last piece. for more i'm knowledge oin by amanda paul senior policy analyst i think european policy center in brussels and she focuses on issues related to russian foreign policy in the former soviet republics and eurasia amanda it's good to have you on the program tell us why these 2 sides are pointing fingers at each other for breaking the truce who exactly is benefiting from this i mean i think this is. jewish and on the ground remains very tense in french isle so in a way it's not surprising that each one is pointing the finger at each other because this is what other by john i mean yeah. traditionally do but i mean it's crucially important that this ceasefire stays in place i mean remember it's it's a humanitarian ceasefire that will allow the bodies of those that have been killed
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. to be removed by the international red cross. now the fighting has been taking place on russia's doorstep and we see in moscow a bit hesitant to get involved why is that. that's the 1000000 and 1000000 dollar question in fact a minute too could russia perhaps longer this time than i have. done in the past but i think this was perhaps to do with the new role that we've seen coming from turkey that's taken on a me a much stronger position in terms of its backing of other by john. so i think about it i was cautious not to enter but i also think that perhaps russia was waiting for a sort of shift in the way that the war went that it would allow them. to actually enter so you mention turkey very how world just now go forward when you have russia getting involved turkey as well i mean how do both parties play in in this issue i
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mean. russia has positionally been you know the party that had the strongest external role has always brought the 2 together. and it's been able to find a way through things that become a bit more complicated because of the position of banker out i mean turkey is trying to show that it supports its friends that it's backing. by john but it's also rather a bit of power projection it's sort of part of new assertive foreign policy in its in its neighborhood i mean it with it looks like that. if he wants to have a bigger role in the south caucasus it wants to play a role in the future of the resolution of this conflict it i don't think this is the ideal scenario though for the russians but i mean from the perspective of russia they don't want to have a head to head conflict with turkey has a need to sort of find a way away together going full. what can be done to secure peace in the region and prevent an all out war. i mean nothing
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think we've heard from you know azerbaijan's leadership also from turkey i mean the big issue here is that negotiations have been going on for 30 years. but yet either by john hasn't received any of its territory about coming to occupied territories this remains you know unacceptable to the peace process that was until when. by the group you know it's sort of it's broken down of course it's not just the responsibility of the cultures of the minsk group it's also from the 2 sides so there needs to be a sort of. change in the approach that needs to be some sort of timetable or agreement reached that would mean that this territory as a very chance territory returned. very quickly and i don't think that. it's ready to give up the current war that's on the ground until there's a clear sign that this is actually going to happen ok because they want
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a land right under paul senior policy analyst at the european policy center in brussels thank you very much for your insights. let's turn now to some of the other stories making news around the world. russian security forces have arrested dozens of protesters in the eastern city of coverups it has been the scene of months of demonstrations against the incarceration of the regional governor sergei for go in july supporters say he is innocent and was sidelined because he's not from president vladimir putin's party. here in berlin hundreds of left wing activists have protested over the eviction of residents from a house that had been occupied for 3 decades the property was one of the last remaining squats in the german capital some protesters threw firecrackers and set cars on fire authorities mobilized 1500 riot police. still in germany rapidly rising corona virus infections of prompted action from the
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authorities the capital berlin has joined frankfurt and cologne on the list of cities where new cases of exceeded a key measure bars and restaurants have to close early but there's some doubt about whether the new restrictions will be enough to stop the spike. 11 pm and it's pouring with rain but that doesn't stop these young people here in berlin neither does the rise in corona virus infections in the past few weeks the police have had to clear public squares and parks people were ignoring hygiene and social distancing rules now the city is cracking down. and it is on my feet and that's since the end of the summer holidays the focus has shifted to young people who got infected during leisure activities outside especially in pubs people get infected because they don't keep their distance when it gets late. kind ups and that's true to. the new rules
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a strict no more than 5 people can gather at 11 at night private parties will be limited to 10 instead of. $25.00 guests bars restaurants and kiosks will also have to close between 11 pm and 6 am bartender jango is frustrated. that time is crucial for us that's when the bar is running at full swing with lots of customers around and then to say you have to leave now we're not allowed to serve you anymore is it true that's the end for us. and what happens after young people have to leave the bars at 11 o'clock well they actually go home just because i was on the form but i'm not planning to go home at 11 i want to live my life and enjoy it as much as possible. quite as long as the void those who want to drink will get better expect for hammett they get out of all from the supermarket and drink it anyway until 5 am no matter whether the bars or clubs are open of the boss
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of mom because of mom's basement of course i want to go out for dinner in the evenings and sit together after 11 but personally i want to take people with a higher infection risk into consideration i can step back. the new restrictions are set to remain in force until the end of this month but if you affections keep rising the curves could be extended. france is struggling to contain a drastic rising coronavirus cases of visuals reported a record 20000 infections on friday alone the government imposed one of europe's strictest lockdowns back in the spring and has stepped up its testing program but despite these efforts they weren't able to stop beyond set of a 2nd wave. francois' it is especially hard in the spring and the beginning of the covert $1000.00 pandemic that's why the country ramped up tests and it's now carrying out more than $1000000.00 per week like in this lab led by josh actually
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minutes he says the situation has improved. given the facts that the requests were twice as high as we had to make sure that we could technically carry out the number of tests requested. on the big question. on today this situation is currently being resort city. bad rep to testing is not the only solution cases are especially high in big cities like paris where the density of population is very high this hospital in point 2 hours north of paris was going through a hard time during the 1st wave into our divorce court noting the covert danton response here he sees another main reason for the rise in numbers in france. the french population suffered a huge trauma during the 1st wave nevertheless with another wave we're seeing
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a relative lax behavior in people. devote says personal responsibility is key in fighting the virus keeping a safe distance and meeting as few people as possible but since the virus is now heavily circulating in france the government is toughening rules in paris for example bars have to close down for now. and here are some other of the latest developments in the pandemic confirmed coronavirus cases in india near ling and nearing 7000000 but their hopes the rate of new infections a slowing of 30 is a warning that europe's 2nd wave of infections has struck well before this flu season has even begun they point to widespread cove in 1900 among populations and everywhere in poland it has now become compulsory for people to wear a mask outdoors infections have also hit a new record high sport now and polish teenager ego sean tech has won the
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french open women's final in paris after beating america's sofia cannon in straight sets becomes the 1st polish player to win a grand slam singles title the unseeded 19 year old did not drop a single set during the clay court tournament she's also the youngest women's french open totem and champion rather since monica seles in 1992. finally to brazil where one business woman one let the coronavirus pandemic crush her enterprising spirit she lost her job in real estate and decided to turn 1969 volkswagen big beetle into a flower shop the idea is a hit with locals in rio's copacabana beach district in the 1st 3 days the florist has made enough to cover a good chunk of the cost of a vintage car rare example of a business blooming in these uncertain times.
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orders from. the students are great the past. training successful. the to me. starts october 13th g w. the from. coming up chrysler is a german politician and a coded $1000.00 survivors. at this demonstration the free democrat ams to persuade corona skeptics that the virus is real and dangerous as chrysler herself knows only too well. she's still suffering from long term effects. not to let her little bit of natural pass don't fear any virus not a one on what they do thier liars but will priceless words fall on deaf ears.
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to. hear you survived it thank goodness and how walls are just. a tough battle now do tell. i suffered from severe shortness of breath and wound up in hospital without suggest it was ok although even when i was no longer infectious it wasn't over it's affected my speech i'm standing here and want to talk to you i have children speech is so important to communicate in. the richest of us then you will be asked of. which and those neurological things bothered me it's a normal virus i must say if you have a half way healthy immune system it's no problem at all it's ok to be
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a friend just for doing the measures being taken here all the disaster to the local yeah i do hope you stay healthy and your grandkids to the folks time all from the measures them from corona light a well. car yard i added 2 more for a week but it was like the flu a mild flu was sort of off with a mosque it was time goes on you don't need to make folks even more afraid they're doing just fine colleen of chrysler has travelled 900 kilometers from the north of germany to the south to constance on lake constance just for this demonstration. she's a politician who's active in state politics for her party the f.d.p. warning people about corona is her new mission. but i'm really worried without social distancing or masks people will simply get sick here for example there is great controversy about masks but i believe fewer people will fall ill if oaks wear masks this enormously speaking the nose expresses our desire for self
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actualization now we're placing a piece of cloth over it and our spokes person our mouths we can no longer practice self actualization we can no longer say what we want to let go of the simple fact that you know interesting approach but once again i'd like to say i don't need to examine all aspects but i want to tell you that when i got ill i was contagious before i went to hospital i was logically in quarantine with my children and during that time i wore a mask not one of these a medical mask these immediately and i managed not to infect my children. by the can my husband had coded i had coded but we protected our kids with these masks and didn't like them should i mistake that i bought it they are you sure that that's so . commonly in a price i mean it's a colorful mix of demonstrators including new agers conspiracy theorists hippies and covert deniers as well as those who are simply critical of the corona measures
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but they're all united by their deep mistrust of politicians that's another reason why priceless here to win back their trust the authorities stipulated that the protesters must social distance most are complying to chrysler's relief protests like this are currently taking place across germany and constanza the police say around $4000.00 demonstrators took part over the weekend the organizers had announced almost 8 times that many would attend on stage they speak of love people make hearts with their hands and then start spouting hate. chanting lying press lying press this is part of. many of the speakers here see themselves as victims or oppressed people this evangelical pastor says masks are an instrument of bondage and claims they are being used to enslave people as african-americans once were in the us i know that there was slave drivers who enslaved these people. and this
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is the must have outwardly priceless keeps her cool yet she knows that all right groups have used demonstrations like this to spread their propaganda. in august protestors in berlin await hikes logon and imperial war flags considered to be symbols of neo nazi sentiment. they even carried them up the steps of the reichstag the german parliament a scene which outraged many. of the city of konstanz has banned the use of such blacks at the demonstration yet priceless still heard far right rhetoric being spouted there all the same. it's been here we i can't believe that we just celebrated 30 years of german reunification we have a democracy to celebrate but also to defend that when they have you here i'm constantly hearing that we live in a dictatorship and things are on the verge of collapse i can't believe it i can't believe how they treat people in the work of decades of peaceful democracy. 6
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months earlier heisler isolated in this hospital room was having trouble breathing . i'm being given oxygen and can use this nebulizer. she documented her experiences and put her corona diary up on twitter to this day she is not fully fit she finds it hard to stand for long periods get short of breath and has nosebleeds during the demonstrations she takes a rest break in her hotel room. last march she spent. 6 days in the hospital fighting. my mother my husband and i said goodbye and weren't really sure if we'd ever see one another again. which meant we were also under pressure to settle our affairs. not only was i breathless and had this fear of suffocating we had to decide what to do. he brought the children into the room and they could only say good bye to me through the window for me properly thought or in case it was the
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last time they should at least have the chance to say goodbye. i thought it all turned out well. her husband who also contracted cope at 19 stayed home and cared for their 3 children while social distancing so all from union family communication that transcends all boundaries. there is our yellow line. and behind it is my don't want to feel this way we can talk. oh oh. in the hospital car you know priceless really missed her husband and children. well something i really long to see my family. this morning my daughter face time to me and we kissed and cuddled she was so unhappy because her homework wasn't going so well and she cried bitter tears as she
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could see even more but i could only hug and kiss her over the screen. the one that really broke my heart shocking that. she wants to help others avoid such heartbreaking situations. but back at the demonstration she's met with nothing but skepticism. how much are they paying you to do this he was voluntary i got no money i'm a natural path i don't believe in cove it at all absolutely nothing and i believe that you are being paid to do what you don't need to worry about me not at all don't worry natural paths don't fear any virus not one but they are liars natural paths are very afraid of paid lawyers. it's hurtful that you keep saying i'm being paid because i'm doing this as a volunteer that upsets me you've hurt my feelings because i couldn't believe it right from the start because we have our herbal tinctures in the cupboard and they
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help and then the fear of any virus vanishes in a flash. very much you put your certainly earning well from this you certainly are . not getting any money i'm doing this in my free time i know you get some kind of perks i'm sure of it. might be sad that you think so poorly of others with chrysler remains patient she wants to give everyone a chance and not push them into the arms of the far right. there are also people here who want to bring down the government or assemble anti democratic forces. those who go onto the streets with. oh vice citizens. i think that's the wrong way if we want to have a democracy we have to fight for every citizen. not to leave them to the extremists . counter-demonstrators have also come to constance but i don't like heisler they
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just want their opponents to leave. my back yeah so yes. the counter protesters believe there are all just some place their trust in science as do most germans they split up into little groups and go all over town the police say some 2700 counter demonstrators were here over the weekend many of them beer that groups of krona skeptics are being infiltrated by the far right and neo nazis and they want to take a stand against that he didn't. vote on bags commissioner against anti semitism is also speaking at the gathering he's read colleen a priceless corona diary and wanted to meet her in person. we think it's not about the. tells priceless that he's heard some clearly anti semitic remarks here. i just visited the jewish community and there are it if
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the people have concerns over criticism you can talk about them but raising imperio is insulting jews and wishing politicians would die it is not ok if the. same thing happened to me often during discussions today i'd say thanks for being so frank that pleases me and i'll give some thought to what you say and still time and again came another volley of insults the message never got through i could picture late i made peace signals smoke signals there was no appeasing them. the constitution on basic law and of functioning democracy with a most people want things to stay that way but these people need to scapegoat someone they can blame and that's politicians like you and scientists like me and many other cities. and unfortunately time and again i mean some jewish community was after all in this together is a joke and i got off the stand just starts true i'm so happy we got to meet here. once again she returns to the corona skeptics rally. good but eventually even calm
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enough heisler has had enough can you prove you had. nice or can. you not always all worked up at the end of a day like this but i think it's extremely important to engage people because politics begins at demonstrations like this so i listen closely and gather lots of info then i sort myself out and feel better. we've made lots of mistakes in the past especially in our debate culture mention what i'm for if i denigrate people as covidien from the start i can't conduct a dialogue with them at eye level so for more dialogue and less hate that's colleen a priceless goal along with convincing people to take corona virus seriously.
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