european countries what is italy doing right can we learn from that i actually it's very hard to tell you know and i think. the experience there the harsh experience was a lesson that they still very much remember their lesson was very decisive for us to take measures and in the spring so i really don't know there is as i said it's very complex chance might be involved as well in all. the structure of the population. maybe people older people taking better care of themselves as before or being taken care about or by their families so it's really really hard to pinpoint one certain 11 particular thing i think but in both bavaria is mr president and also the mayor of berlin who are not exactly on the

same political wavelength most of the time both say they're not ruling out that we may see still more severe restrictions imposed in germany including even a lock down once again can you really in visit that happening here particularly given the economic impact it would have the chancellor said it must be avoided at all costs it should be avoided for a lot of reasons for economical reasons for social reasons as well because we sometimes tend to forget that a lot of people were locked away elderly people in care homes that's also a fact we think shouldn't forget. i actually don't know i hope it's not going to be like we've had in germany like the situation we've had at the beginning of this pandemic but it is not a given fact that it's not going to happen the chances are there that we still or might face another lock down near the chancellor has also been saying that she absolutely wants to keep schools open but it's very important not to sacrifice the

educational wellbeing and social well being of children will germany and will europe be able to do that going forward do you think what's the latest finding on the degree to which schools are spreaders i think there is not yet very strong scientific evidence that schools are the origin of big infection clusters of thing that we can say that it looks like they are not reason number one which again is a reason to keep them open especially for small children i think it is totally possible to find a way. good balance. teaching some children in school having a little bit of home schooling for others have some kind of maybe a shift system where they come in every 2nd day or where the younger ones go to class where the older ones rather stay at home i think it's absolutely possible to keep schools open with a reasonable hygiene concept and another another point where there is perhaps

a lesson to be learned from how things were dealt with in the 1st wave of the virus and he said it was every country for itself at that time borders were close national authorities scrambled to get hold of masks and equipment sometimes at the expense of others who needed more since then there have been a lot of vows to not have that repeat itself what do you think will we see better coordination and cooperation amongst the different countries in europe and also amongst different cities than we did during the 1st wave and i'm thinking especially about the sharing of hospital capacity for example i mean again experience is a plus on this side i mean we've. started doing this kind of coordination in the spring i think it's going to work better but it also does is also going to depend on the on the extent of the on the severity of the depend

demick so if things may get out of hand just because you know medical personnel in large numbers will not be able to cope anymore did work they've gone through it before so. i think coordination is key but. it's it's hard to really to predict how much you can count on it. speaking of cooperation let's take a quick look at the state of vaccine research it is proceeding apace yet even under the best case scenario europe cities will have to manage the virus for some time to come here's a closer look at the timeline for one project based here in germany. in ad by bryan tackett the mains based biotechnology firm could soon become the 1st german company to produce its genetically engineered vaccine by the millions with its u.s.

partner pfizer. that's because biotech is currently in the 3rd critical phase of vaccine testing with 37000 volunteer test subjects and an accelerated approval process is already underway at the moment research is moving at an incredible speed currently the ministry for research expects that large portions of the population will be able to be vaccinated by the middle of next year and then. 2 other german pharmaceutical manufacturers are competing with bryan tackett and not only that the world health organization lists $180.00 active vaccine programs of which at least 8 are in the 3rd phase of testing. we see this less as a race against each other and more as one to keep the pandemic under control there will be several rounds of approval. but competition has been raging about when each country will receive the vaccine.

what do you think which country or which company will win the competition and your opening statement mentioned eco wisdom so let me ask you how cut throat you think that this vaccine competition is likely to become. i'm going to be. honest and say i really really hope it's not going to be because situation i really will encounter i really hope that anyone will. be no sense in this pandemic that we have to work together. we have to. really think about what is best for everyone no matter which country they are living i do think that pfizer. is a good candidate to maybe bring one of the 1st vaccines in europe onto the market. but we will see something always. in a file face martin we heard a pretty optimistic prognosis there from the german research minister that large

segments of the population here could be vaccinated by the middle of next year would you share that optimism no i wouldn't i'm not that sure i'm not so sure i think in the end we'll have more than one vaccine that will come to an end at the moment the w.h.o. says more than a dozen are in the clinical 3rd phase of the important phase of of the testing but still that this vaccine has to be produced and then we have to think and we have to make a call who is more important to get the vaccine 1st elderly maybe people who work in hospitals i'd say but i'm not that sure as our minister is that this will be for everyone or almost everyone they have martin and our report both mentioned the 3rd phase that is usually seen as pretty far along in the testing process but the us company johnson and johnson just interrupted phase 3 trials because a participant unexpectedly became ill now does that mean that phase 3 is perhaps less decisive and more fragile than many people have led us to believe

. well i mean there's always going going to be does it you asian faced something will happen the problem with the current situation is that we have speeded up things so much so there will also be trade offs and the trade offs will be maybe vaccines that are less effective than they could have been if we had 3 years of development. another trade off might be a year when even larger groups of people get a vaccine after it's been approved that they met there might be serious problems with it so those tradeoffs are going to be dare. to look at a possible vaccine or a group of vaccines as the big solution to the whole crisis is a little bit short sighted i would think then let me come back to our title for one very quick final round to all of you and it's this in view of that fact in view of

the fact that we're clearly going to be this virus is going to be with us for a number of months to come what for you is the most crucial thing you can't it we can do to get it under control coming back to our title. most crucial measure i think everyone of us should be aware that they make a difference every single one of us makes a difference we have to be proactive not reactive and i would always say just wear your must. not if i would totally agree and i would just out that i think we all have to ask us of these days do we really need to travel now is that really the most important thing at the moment or should we sometimes just limit ourselves as annoying it is stressful it is i think it's the only thing we can tell a big discussion right now here in germany with people looking to go on fall break and using corona testing capacity to try to get the means to do so. i completely

agree with both of you i think we have to embrace the situation with all the. it's insecurity and also the fact that we can make a difference. we can be solidarity with other people by just acting responsibly responsibly wearing masks keeping just. not overdoing party. the rubber cock institute germany's leading us actually center for disease control says that a mask could be as important as a vaccine if not more so would you agree i think the mask is what we have now and it's proven to be very effective so let's stick with the mask for now thank you very much thanks to all of you for being with us and thanks to you for turning and see you so.

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