tv Displaced Drought and Floods Deutsche Welle October 26, 2020 10:15am-11:00am CET
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is a very great. system test it kid b. a b. a so it's not so important that they lead us out of the country enjoying or for us a correspondent in men's thanks very much for that. this is the debate is live from berlin i'm brian thomas for the entire team thanks for joining us. imagine how many push the old loves us right now from the world climate change a different office story this is my place in way from just one week. how much worse can it really get. we still have time to ask i'm going. to.
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the global climate is changing faster than expected and the effects are already plain to see too much water from storms and flooding is driving people from their homes. elsewhere too little water is robbing people of their livelihoods over this could produce the largest wave of migration in human history up to a 1000000000 people may be displaced by climate change in this century initially most will be poor people in the global south even as the wealthy north seals its borders.
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it's true that we humans are causing climate change says it's real and it exists even tonight on line to. sounds. and i can see and feel the effects of it in their surroundings now they can feel the effects of climate change. in the philippines the future has already arrived tropical storms flooding and heavy rains are striking at ever shorter intervals and growing in intensity. changes the worst creation to be produced aspin she's. schumann's of creates a climate change. now i made gains. and more and more people are on the run from it if sea levels rise to the extent
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that scientists have predicted then by 2030 millions of people on the coasts worldwide will be in acute danger. the densely populated coastal regions of asia will be most affected. been long gone is an island district on the bay of manila. here water is already eating away at the land . every year this community has been sinking 4 to 6 centimeters deep into the sea. residents have to rebuild their houses on the rooftops of their old sunken homes. here with the. big one
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scares me most about this steady seem to rise is that someday we won't even see the roots anymore alice the. entire houses will vanish. under the same time we'll keep trying to build up the ground through land reclamation. something that the. new moon. george there are manya who goes by joe joe is captain of the communities rescue vessel he's been homeless for years now since the rising water made his house unlivable he's been sleeping at his workplace. jo-jo doesn't come here much anymore after the water began to destroy the home his
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wife took their son and left that high tide everything here is something. until the water was knee deep here. we had to stow things in higher places to keep them safe and i suppose that some of us get the want to reach the bad. and then we had to wait for it to subside before we could sleep. a little. now. this was a happy home but. we usually have visitors friends relatives about. how much we'd all be together inside this house chatting and sharing meals and sometimes drinking. he said a moment i am. now it makes me sad to think about this house abandoned. jo-jo dreams of
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restoring his house but at the moment he doesn't have enough money. many families have been torn apart for young people move away to seek work in 2018 alone an estimated 3800000 people in the philippines fled from storms are natural disasters. worldwide most refugees are internally displaced in their own countries . in the end everyone in been long gone will be driven out by climate change. the dead can no longer pee parried here they have to be taken to the mainland. a. couple of my. dad.
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there are still 6000 people living here in cramped quarters. been a long gun is sinking deeper roshon and rising sea levels. i can see the extent of environmental destruction the life of people in been a wound is bound up with the water around us. sea levels are rising worldwide as the temperature of the atmosphere increases causing ice at the poles to melt. and. that increases due to the rise in greenhouse gas emissions especially carbon
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when you have a pinch outlets i have seen big changes here. when i was 15 or 20 years old and the rainy season was normal and maint june july and you know what that would start but now we get frostbite just. in the past we didn't have those problems mine. i can find the changes was the rainy season is coming later and at the same time we keep having cold snaps. and the know we have long periods without rain or months something from the last let's say yeah and then sunday we have too much right. simple pablo grew up here in the highlands of guatemala. she's grown potatoes all her life in recent years things have changed. this little plant and as you can
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see she isn't strong enough to survive if we can't use it for seeds or potato production it's a loss in sydney. every year drought and frost destroy many potato plants which is all her family grow on their fields. in guatemala's western highlands most people are small scale farmers and 3 quarters of them live in poverty during the rainy season from may to october the countryside changes from dusty and dry to lush and green for people are this would be the most trouble free part of the year if only rainfall patterns were like they used to be thanks. thank. you ben actually yeah man it's what is so important for us out of the
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community because we have no natural beauty so says. we depend on the rain for water that's the can just that's why we buy paganism canisters to catch them i would. say. but yet when the summer cannons that's the only way to store a bit of water it's very important for our communities and our plantations let's start. them without water we can do nothing but. around half the residents of told our sun times have gone to the united states after every drought more and more leave most of the men are now working in the us. every month they send a few $100.00. pillows house was built with us dollars. the family also uses the money to pay the installments on the loan they took out to
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finance the trip and the people smugglers 0. like most here and her family are mom and indigenous mayan people people our lives together with her children and grandchildren. if. this is. our. last husband emigrated 3 years ago they now make their decisions together over the phone. to me that it's a commitment that my husband found it would be very difficult when i harvest fails we lose all our money my husband didn't send money we wouldn't get by and it's not
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just this one piece of land we have more land where the harvests have failed without his help we lose a lot of money is that the. as an illegal immigrant her husband could be deported from the us at any time so he doesn't want to be named. pianos that migrants from central america no longer welcome in the united states. we need cameras we need to make sure that we're going to be moving in and we need to grow we need to stop drugs or the human drive we need. you know it's really
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difficult to when you think of donald trump what he believes he's already so contradictory and and so many different scenarios for a and you're going to build up this wall but you're you're saying on twitter climate change is a hoax as climate change has asked for be it's other things that are going on it's definitely coming either a secondary or primary reason why people are leaving and their answer of course is that story. of building up a border building. well we see before us right now. that still no deeply accepted definitions of terms such as climate refugee even though the world bank predicts that mexico and central america will have at least 1400000 internal climate migrants over the next 30 years and many more who will migrate abroad. the number of guatemalan migrants registered at
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the southwest u.s. border has quintupled in the past 3 is. the. top male is a mole for who writes about security policy on climate change he's been observing developments at the u.s. mexican border for years. if you go along the 2000 mile u.s. mice ago border there's about 650 miles of either walls or barriers of some sort there's all kinds of technologies billions and billions of dollars and technologies from high tech cameras cameras that can see 7 miles away radar systems drones there's a fleet of approximately 10 drones. there's other things that you see in u.s. military operations there's been a lot of these kind of transfers from. abroad to here. now the united states has a new conflict zone on its own doorstep it's a crisis that the u.s.
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and other industrial nations have helped to create. there $700.00 times more carbon emissions from the united states since $900.00 than . el salvador and honduras combined 700 times more yet this is like this this is a country that's that's that's fortifying as a borders from people who are obviously impacted by those sorts of excessive amounts of emissions and and i think how could that be possible with i mean we've known about the science for so many years and we have more than ever before but the same time there's more border walls than ever before to you like it's like this emphasis like this is kind of adaptation plan right for the richer countries.
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when does he the ramos arrived in arizona 80 years ago there was no reception center for migrants. he still waiting for a permanent residence permit. to go see him the always feel like a guatemalan. i don't feel american because that's where i come from and i only been here for a while sponsors yeah i don't have a green card yet but what can i do no matter what i'll always be quite a model and it. c c c c c c doesn't it has a work permit that has to be renewed every 2 years even if you want to be expelled
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what he's achieved here is something that many back home can only dream of and he earns enough to help support his family in guatemala. he grew up there his parents farm as one of 9 children. discourses. i didn't enjoy my childhood all that much. but it was an ordinary childhood. we grew up working. my brothers worked with my father my sisters with my mother. if so then i started to look for a way to earn a living and how i could continue my studies. so i got a job in a workshop. here in the us he works as a freelance gardener. gets mother. it's a very different from guatemala isn't
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a lot of growers in the hot season as they move even though there's hardly any water in this. arizona has a desert climate and a severe lack of water life here is only possible thanks to water pipe from a far away colorado river. but the cities of phoenix and tucson still use the resource wastefully. they counted among the least sustainable cities in the wild. hundreds of thousands of liters of water go into keeping coast courses in the desert green to. me that it's a different life here they have more ways of treating the water and we don't have that in guatemala and i can't judge if that's fair or unfair things are more
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advanced air. when you look at their houses they're not wasting water they're using it for their plants and since they have money they can pay for as much water as they want. that we need says someday he'd like to live like his clients in his own house with a god and. to achieve that goal he works 6 days a week. just . the thank you thank you. thank somebody who will take. me he just turned $65.00 cash for an hour of gardening.
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up on. that. on sundays david likes to drive out into the desert the hills remind him of home. he'd like to go back to guatemala someday to see his family but without a green card he wouldn't be able to reenter the us this. thought that is it makes me sad is that it's tough to be separated from your family but all the love for me is there over there and only i'm here. but what can you do for them so said it's done we're separated out not because we want to be but because we are forced to be by necessity. over there you can't make ends meet but of out of.
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here and not. let. her leave. and not. good at the club 2. oh where. oh yeah i know. who. know all that i live here as long as this world remains building a long gun will remain in a long gun. yet. how come my. conditions in the ocean are changing the fisherman a catching less and less they can hardly on a profit nowadays. almost every family has at least one member who's left been long gone. and i mean my grandma leaving here they've gone to work overseas or in and
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out of that i'm also may need. as far as i can tell the delta level here and been no one gonna continue to rise. up on the real continue to build it up to reclaim our beloved neighborhood. the people have been a long gone but this place punished beneath the white house would you. not everyone here believes that the community can be saved.
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every day joe joe's neighbor melody finds her house flooded. not in a month saying bundled i mean my dream of settling in another place not here but my husband jay is full head and he doesn't want to leave i want to reach a friend of mine and out in front of all us again but jerry comes from here and he won't leave this place in the shadows the. things that doctors. who was that not. only bull. got to do you mean somebody did so by you. he's done a lot that he handed so it's all on the ballot man and i don't know how to get.
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what they are. all. more or less. very big guy. i love. that. line. you get in the snow on the lawn. with them going to be. really neat if you. have a i know what i mean got me there are plenty of indications. for example to get warnings on the radio and on the television. when a strong typhoon is approaching and we start tying down the roofs. though not that bad if you tie them down so they won't be blown away by the wall. and we usually
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buy supplies before the storm so that we have something to eat the 36 when i got it while the storm sweeps through the village on the last. bug you know. that will allow good. news. from typhoons to storms extreme weather has grown more frequent in recent years scientists still don't know to what extent this rise is connected to human induced climate change. any place you look at that supposedly a victim of climate change know they're a victim of lack of freedom they have very little capability and so yeah everything sucks including the climate sucks but if not to put more c o 2 in it is just because life sucks when you're a human being on a difficult planet with very low capability so for example if you look at the us we
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have every form of climate imaginable we have a polar climate in alaska we have like swampy florida of all the way of california where i live which i think is the nicest climate but we all have life expectancy. over 75 why because when human beings are sufficiently capable they can adapt to and even master any climate versus when they have very low capability when they're in primitive and poor societies they can't deal with anything so i think one of the big things that's misplaced in the climate discussion is there's not enough focus on how do we increase human capability. i mean energy philosopher which means i try to help people think more clearly about energy and environmental issues. and accept stein is widely known as a climate change skeptic at least 13 percent of americans share his views on global warming a higher proportion than in any other western country epstein advises oil companies
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on how to sell their products better also using climate denial arguments people have a very deep seated fear of changing our environment and i think that causes that when when we change our environment through fossil fuels through say having a warming influence on climate i think people tend to exaggerate and get overly fearful versus looking at it proportion. since the 19th century the u.s. has burned more comb oil and natural gas than any other country the current administration has refused to take responsibility for that and in 2019 officially gave notice that the u.s. is withdrawing from the paris climate agreement. that's bad news for the countries in the global south that already the ones most affected by climate change and are least able to deal with the impact. i think
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it's been great for us to have a lot of energy but also it's been amazingly positive for the poorer parts of the world that we've used all this energy so what's happened is we have been spending decades and decades and decades thing. think about how to improve life including things like medical discoveries that have then been shared in large part with the poor parts of the world so there's a certain air of that a we've made people's lives worse but no the wealthy world has made in so far as they've created all of this innovation has made everyone's lives better so i don't think we should feel guilty about it and i think we should be very proud i think that humanity there are a lot of problems but we life has never been better and earth has never been a better place to live and i think most people if they think about it would agree i don't think they would want to go back to 50 years ago or 100 years ago.
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in the arizona desert scientists at the biosphere 2 experimental station trying to find out how to model and perhaps save the earth's major ecosystems. the biosphere started out as the world's largest ecological experiment ever conducted with a closed our controlled environment to try to replicate earth systems and to better understand that. the earth is truly unique and we know that that uniqueness is what allows us to live and survive and if those conditions change so much so it could definitely threaten or it will threaten our survival and so i think understanding what those potential implications are before they actually play out are crucial. the research center houses 7 model ecosystems
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it's a unique place well under close to real world conditions it's possible to test how natural systems will respond to extreme environmental change the. can control the climate and measure how the ecosystem reacts. in the model rain forest an international team of scientists are studying what happens when there's less rain. but i'm ologist that's been the unique thing is that in the biosphere we can control the entire forest and we can decide when it will rain and how much like mad and if we're measuring how the tropical rain forest responds when it's still in its normal state as well and then we're going to initiate a long drought and see how the ecosystem behaves as it was astonished to hear it.
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so hard once it gets dry at the rate of photosynthesis goes down we want to know at what point a system like this reaches its limits seem although. it's important to know what will happen in the world's forests in the future. trainees store c o 2 the climate gas that causes this atmospheric warming which arises from the combustion of fossil substances song around us take it up during photosynthesis. most of it $5000000000.00 us that's what we see around the world is that up to 30 percent of the emissions that we put into the atmosphere can be taken up again by forests so they act as a huge buffer that helps mitigate the climate effect without them it will be much worse off usually among scientists 1st warned about global warming decades ago but it took years for the message to even begin to sink in. today it's apparent that
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the climate is changing faster than scientists have predicted. but at the end of the day we all inhabitants of earth and so what happens here in the u.s. or what happens in europe or asia at some point is going to impact all of us so i think it behooves all of us to recognize that we are seeing changes that those changes have impacts on ecosystems on resources and we are dependent on those systems for our existence and so again if they change so dramatically it is going to impact us and potentially if we're not able to adapt.
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he lie in seeking help to defy the extreme weather potatoes on her livelihood now she's lost not only a large part of the harvest but has too few seeds for planting next year a seed bank helps farmers like. land. there. i love the series and it's thought that i'm in the lead up with. even. you know what. are you going up you know as i say you 53 domestic potato varieties grow in the fields here the seed bank gives this in return she'll have to give up some of her next harvest. it's up up. yeah.
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a farming co-operative collects and stores seeds from local. crops that way local growers can obtain seeds if need be so when the next drought hits they're less likely to have to give up their farms and leave. in some villages here half the population has already gone to the us. rescue most fun cars must ghost neighbors is what the owners of these are not to buy houses are called they live in the us but send money home to build their american style dream houses for when they return. the cemetery and told our son cause. also has tales of migration to tell. american flags
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decorate the graves of those who died as immigrants in the us. in the old. when her husband left 3 years ago he and people are made that decision together. they knew they wouldn't see each other again for many years. and when. they come i know that he's far from home and we're a long distance apart. but i also know that we did it because things are very hard here with actual ops of it but not to let that the cons the end and i know in my heart that this just ends
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will not ruin our relationship. the year i know my husband will come back. up at. least 3 times that'll be good for. you to see. that. scientists agree that climate change can no longer be stopped but its magnitude will depend on whether people are prepared to radically alter their lifestyles. as i drive myself right and they see all the cars that are going back and forth and 3 lanes of traffic 4 lanes of traffic and i think that as a person that's aware of the kind of crime and crisis and i and you think oh is there any progress being made and all you have to do is go out on the main avenues and think you know like i don't know if i turn on the television i don't know how
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many times i'm told by a car i'm you know i want to and there's a climate crisis right then and then other hand i'm always been told being told by the new car new car new car. i mean as you look around the world it's all adding up it's the stresses put on upon people are getting worse and worse. and i think what the world needs to be looking at is we're going to have people on the move right this is there something set in motion that cannot be stopped like there's going to be places that can no longer be lived in and now this idea of a border bordered world is an idea of exclusion we're certain people have access and others do not and and we have to start thinking or old of where there's going to be a lot of people on the move and how can we how can we begin to understand that and
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maybe make it probably make or begin to at least forge a sort of new world where where those people will be more welcome. reasoning and i'm going to give people my sometimes dream of the deluge. because of people stopping this because they didn't go in saloons he punished the home won't. be the good i'm going to promise that he would not do the same thing you can. look at what's happening now the new top and slowly but in different places there are some in the u.s. the same scenario who for again i know that there may have been new. well a bonus in our. jo-jo might soon find himself a climate migrant if sea levels keep rising not just his home but the entire island district could be submerged. how long that might take nobody knows.
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the. little stood there and. i don't like what's happening. especially because generations. i pity those children hard grow out and about experiencing the beauty of. being there in the larger. i don't know if we continue on this path. be able to do anything about climate change. in the highlands of guatemala the descendants of the maya believe that the global climate is out of kilter because humans have lost their respect form of
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a. planet. is that they can i depends on us. and save us if we conserve force and care for the tree will have a chance of surviving. but if we continue like we're doing now and cut down the trees the future for our children will be very hard and sad at the. thank god we still have water and trees and can survive. but if we continue to destroy nature and the earth. and in the future people will have nothing. if you're trying to. contact. war or when you're. one.
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