and there's no such things like free and democratic elections in russia sort of their positions in the privet the government there's no chance through a move or some sort of this government or the other branch of government so even opposition or not i mean she can do what they were here like some you tube but there's no chance for him to be a part of establishment of the become a part of what it tickle extinguishment him to change things in the country so the position you're going to endure in your government is as much as you want but you have no chance to change to change things on the legal way. let me take us to another place in the neighborhood namely yeah the enclave of nagorno karabakh xander a nato member turkey is now intervening in support of john while russia at least in the past has actually delivered weapons to both sides so what's putin really want there are simple he doesn't want to loose is there by john knows that armenia is. a part of the of russia because it is part of the eurasian union it's part of the

military union with russia and it's dependent on russia but for putin it's more beneficial if turkey has its influence on in the caucus with then to have nato bases on the american supervision in the caucasus and therefore he doesn't want to lose a budge on today to sabina others not in there is turkey actually looking to challenge russia's head to moni in the region and do you think it could succeed i think. yes yes it is possible but i think the. in my opinions even more important thing is that up. adam took a president is so he was full for a full protein and to come to risk to loose out on and on is very important to sort discord and to divide nato that's the most important thing and

they they both know what they do and they both won't risk they are i wouldn't say kind of cooperation but but they depend on each other and yeah that's why i think that is the sort of restrained off putting and maybe the reason is that looking at the e.u. has been accused of doing too little to push back against both turkey and. interesting lee enough russia joined forces with france and the us to call for a cease fire is there perhaps even an opening here in regard to the gonna come back and the tensions between i mean you and azerbaijan for closer cooperation between europe and russia i research would be this very recent so much i'm not sure how the think will be developed it's. absurd if they agree with you putting their gun to

bring the game or not though it's true in my opinion so i have. not the prognosis in any future developments on this topic how how close can russia would go to europe and you know i'm a member of the got a. thank you very much elsewhere cooperation between russia and the west looks further away than ever following the short lived pledge by both sides to reset russian american relations an array of developments have driven the 2 further apart. ever since the successful revolution in ukraine the nation has been a thorn in the side of russia's president putin in february 24th teen he annexed the ukrainian peninsula of crimea supported by moscow separatists in eastern ukraine also quickly gained ground. in syria's civil war russian troops are fighting alongside those of the dictator assad after the conflict russia wants to

establish a permanent military presence in syria this would give russia direct access to the mediterranean and enable it to become a major player in the middle east. putin also wants to exert influence in the west using k.g.b. methods for example russia allegedly tried to influence the us elections in 2016 using cyber attacks and spreading fake news american secret services suspect there is currently a russian descent from ation campaign designed to help trump in the current presidential election. it shows the level of political culture or the absence of such i reiterate we don't interfere. will putin succeed in destabilizing the west. alexander far in many respects trump with his undermining of trust in that the united states and its democratic system with his criticism of multilateralism of nato in particular has really played into

putin's hands would you say that is by accident or by design. who is better for russia biden report and i think both are but for russia i mean for pushing for russia or with biden at least hopes to continue the talks on rearmament. and. with trump he may create a new world order and this may be a dream in russia and he knows that for trump the big enemy is china and not russia he wants to do to make deals with russia whether biden clearly said that russia is the biggest threat for the west let me come back to the question posed at the end of that short report that was about whether putin is successfully destabilizing the west right now authorities in both the us and europe report significant evidence of russian descent from ation campaigns putin's neighborhood may be

increasingly explosive as we've talked about but is he nonetheless succeeding quite well in exporting instability to the united states for example i would say yes absolutely he is an expert in this and really saw a very short period of time this perilously yeltsin years when information of war didn't play of all but putin revived this and. he uses this as a tool as a very effective tool to meddle in internal affairs to too small to score in not just in our neighbor countries like ukraine like collect elect germany despite we are a direct neighbor but. in the u.s. and the overall goal i think is to slender

democracy itself and that's a very very dangerous thing and it's it's more important than everything else i in my opinion and at this point they meet together. trying. hootie and the 2 dictators around her and that's really newt. well and and to be serious talent bloody mary in view of all of that and in view of the recent attack on alex saying of on the the russian opposition politician should europe be doing more to sanction putin's abuses of power and his interference and if so what additional measures would work well received in. europe and sanctions in russia since for 6 years from now for the ukraine and crimea and eastern ukraine and the question is not if europe should do more but how effective this may honeys them are

how much much influence the sanctions have on their behavior over russia is it possible to change their russian behavior by sanctions and the answer is not really because we don't have any any substantial change in russian behavior on the political. stage as a result of dissension so we can discussing sanction in europe and europe can impose sanctions on 2 more russian film or 3 more russian citizens but the question is how how effective the sanctions will be. i think that there are some leading german politicians among them former chancellor gerhard schroeder have argued in recent years that it's time for a german russian reset or those voices growing quieter now after the attack on avanti not sure they are non-existent anymore i think. the problems with russia are obvious. with the europe it was the european union with that same time we shouldn't

destroy in my view what has been built between germany and russia for europe for european security in the past 30 years and in a dramatic way that. is can disappear and i think probably yes the west wants to punish russia than punish russia but on the other hand there are many aspects where we should cooperate in future because we are not in the east west conflict anymore but in the north conflict we need a common view on how to. talk to fight was a challenge which stands in front of us from the southeast for europe and for russia sabina other ukraine crimea syria there are enormous financial costs to putin's expansive moves could that prove to be a problem for him in the end of history not russia is rich enough to do this and. of course it would be much smarter to spend the money in the own country but he

doesn't do it and i want to say that i can't agree that we jhoom and russia to the same level destroyed the relationship as alex on a set that not not germany's destroyed sort of a ship not i kind i. have to say that we are just about out of time but let me come quickly back to our title which asked what is putin's goal and about america's fourteen's goal was to we store russia's position in the world as a global player what do you think the history books will write will they say he succeeded might succeed. awestruck enough that was so short as can be so a clear yes to that answer from s.p. soft and many thanks to all of you for being with us today and thanks to all of you out there for tuning in and see you soon i buy.

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