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my clay being that he is the winner and that he will now go to the supreme court claiming nature for old but joe biden has also told his supporters that he's confident of victory votes still being counted in a process that can take hours or even days our question on to the point since u.s. election and the winner is. joining me here in the studio ah pseudo david philip from the german marshall fund and he say's there is no landslide for any of the candidates but trump ism is here to stay and a warm welcome to to study c. billions from v.w. so u.s. election team owner opinion of trump. think franco's destroy american democracy as

we know it's also with us is joseph watch and soon us journalist and lawyer. every us state has until december the end to finish counting votes from on the supremes coal must comply with federal law. thank you very much for being with us here today here on t.w. stacy w. i'd like to begin with you because you have been up all night i know collecting impressions of what's been going on remarkable events what's you know what what what has stood out for you i think with the most was that the polls are wrong yet again. we can't trust them at the moment something needs to be we reworked because . if you're a democrat for example and you've been told that leading up to this biden has is in the lead and it's going to be a landslide and then all of a sudden you realize that this isn't the case and if you're a black lives matter person or a person who's in the l b g

t q community you realize that there's a part of america that does not care about equality and safety for you and that's very scary. why is america failing to go about right i think that there's a there's many issues involved part of it is education an educational system that focus more on patriotism than on true education and you know clear thought and i think that there are certain people that support trump because they love the tax cuts and then there's other people who actually believe the racist rhetoric that if you're black or brown that you are not as that you are inferior and that the reason why you haven't made it in life is because you're not smart enough and you're not strong enough and it has nothing to do with with institutional racism sudha your initial impressions yeah i think that the landslide never occurred and whoever wins will win by a small margin so that means that the united states will we continue to be sort of polarized and there may be some flips that we see. when it comes to certain states

but i guess we have to remember that the results are not yet in and it will take a while for them to be counted and so we have to see how this all pans out and it's not just the white house we also have to see what congress looks like will the senate flip to the democrats and if that happens and president does get reelected then congress can be an effective check on the presidency the results and your tune but president trump joeys will reduce saying that he is the winner. i mean this is the most undemocratic thing any electoral official could ever say before we've even finished counting the votes. he wants to stop the vote and then he was tweeting out inaccurate information if you were in line when the polls closed you are able out to continue to stay in that line and to cast your vote for him saying any on one of his tweets you know people are voting after polls close that's fraud that's not

fraud that's actually how the system works and so i need to rein it in a little bit but donald trump has proven through out his presidency that there was no lie too big he was going to shy away from telling and now we're entering a very critical and dangerous moment of our electoral process where on the election night while we know we still have days or weeks to count things he's saying oh stop it it's all fraud. you're saying it's extremely dangerous i mean is there still will trump. i mean he's been disruptive throughout his presidency that has been one of his trademarks but is this something does this go still further is he now. moving into a 2nd term to change america completely from what we know this is what he's been building up for you know he's been telling us for the past couple of months that we couldn't trust our electoral systems that there was going to be fraud that the democrats were going to try to steal the election away from him he's been telling his supporters that they should go you know watch the voters which is really it's

nothing more than voter intimidation which is illegal in fact and so the concern now is how much further is he going to go we've always seen he moves you know it just the temperature gets a little bit hotter a little bit hotter we get used to that a little bit hotter a little bit how do we get used to that and what we're seeing now is he's trying to say that the results are illegitimate he's trying to get his supporters riled up the problem is i'm sure are still listening to him and standing by as he said in the 1st debate he's really i think at this point knowing there are so many criminal . let's hear what the president himself has to say. we want the load to be used in a proper manner so we'll be going to the u.s. supreme court we want to hold voting just. we don't want them to find any

ballots at 4 o'clock in the morning and them for the list ok. it's a very sure. it's a very sad moment to me this is a very sad moment and we will win this and we. we already have. in your capacity as a lawyer which is the usual resource for us to have today at the time tell us what's going to happen next and what the sort of the timetabling of it might be i mean the difficult thing is so there's no you know one system for all the 50 states each of the states votes differently they count their votes differently some states have already counted votes before election day some won't count until after with the absentee ballots but the thing that does bind all states is what's called the electoral count at that says that you know we have voted on november 3rd there are 41 days until the electoral college has to meet that's december 14th and there's what's called the safe harbor provision 6 days before that december 8th which is

the date at which all the states have to certify their results so no matter what trump is saying no matter how much he's threatening to go to the supreme court now the supreme court will be bound by this congressional law it's over 100 years old and we have to respect that. you're not doing it well i mean i think it's it is outrageous what donald trump says about having been victorious already but at the same time i mean i actually think he can say that in a sense because even though he may lose at the end his ideology for the republican party is not going to go away any time soon and the question is because if the dollar loses badly if he wins that's one thing but if he loses by you know by a hair line his idea of the republican party will be here to say as well his family i mean he's got. your and who are surely looking into future political careers

themselves ok let's just before we move on let's listen to what to challenger joe biden has to say it's not my place or dollars where. that's a decision of the american pretty poor but i'm optimistic about this. they see how important is it for the american people to make that decision themselves rather than having the whole months ago. of lawyers and how important is it that they get a clear decision. i think a clear decision now. is not going to happen and we need to take the time we're in the middle of a pandemic there's a reason why so many people are mailing and their votes their votes there's a reason why there is a backlog millions of votes have come in and you have people they don't have as much manpower and certain counties and so they're counting as fast as they can but it's better to have it right than to have it fast and this is what i mean when i'm

talking about trying to destroy democracy this is each person's voice each person saying what they want and the very idea that the president of the united states wants to take aware their vote is unconscionable i was so moved when i heard about this harris county texas lawsuit this is the president didn't file this lawsuit but the republican party supports it another republican activists was trying to get 127000 votes rescinded because of the way the votes were cast it was illegal according to their to the laws of that county but still they were trying to take away people's votes people who voted early and in good faith it's unbelievable has been a huge surge in sports with normal job incontrovertibly of us top of this is what we are seeing many movie americans tune into donald trump is the man that they see the future invested in this at the same time as the pump them account as it out oh

well i actually think that if it weren't for the pandemic doll trumpet of coasted to toward re-election i think many experts were saying that at the beginning of this year because the economy was doing so well that donald trump had a very good chance of winning reelection now the coronavirus pandemic changed all of that and our country as you know undergone 3 crises at the same time economic want to health crisis and also one of race relations in the united states but i suppose his messaging about law and order has you know had some effect on voters to . election before the election and also his attempt to paint the democrats as radical left socialists that must have also had an effect to an extent however joe biden has failed to come up with a lot of what you're saying is that the problem with joe biden or a problem with the democratic party or what i do think that joe biden has been is the man for the moment for the democratic party in the sense that he's

a moderate candidate he can unify the party and you know elections usually general elections are won from the middle not from the extremes so i guess he is the right man for the moment but instead of it making it just a referendum on president trump perhaps the democrats could have given a little bit more airtime to what they what they want to do i mean that's that kind of got lost in all the noise. let's listen to what we've got 2 voices from ordinary americans if you so let's listen to what you can pick up quick. if you forgive very. very very many people. over here mark you're right i'm very frightened for america very right i love our democracy throughout america and i don't know if you could do it already and i just want to thank you again for america and are going to be very important.

so yellow taxicabs i'm going to see him that was my hometown new york city without even me to assume who those people you know supported i think the problem that many americans have not been able to grasp at this point is that donald trump is the danger to the american presidency to the nation to democracy to the international world order to peace to stability we've had over 200000 lives lost the pandemic and i think you know if you have to look at it kind of like a cult you know people have been so brainwashed i think is the phrase we're using that at this point they're committed because at this point for them to turn against donald rumsfeld if they are doing and they can sadly american voters vote for donald trump that is the proportionality is there i mean don't half of registered voters and this is an important other important distinction so it's not half of the nation we have unfortunately i think still many undecided voters perhaps you know

tens of millions of undecided voters and a number of disenfranchised voters as well so. yes half of registered voters perhaps many vote just say i think to be fair joe a lot of these problems were also there before the era of doll trump you know they were just sort of swept under the rug by both republicans and democrats and that's kind of the reason we have dollar trump as well he can he you know he campaigned in 2016 as an anti-establishment candidate and it's true you would think that considering where we are right now that. it would be toast for him on election day but obviously there are enough people who think that dollar trump is the right person to change things that are not correct about our native by hate and motivated by racism a lot of people a lot of people yes but not entirely i'm not saying that every everyone is like i said some people are just worried about their bottom line but there are so many people and i know this is my experience growing up in

a predominately white suburb where people automatically assume that if i was if you're black that you you didn't really belong you must have been on some kind of a welfare program or you know if you were in a good academic program oh well you know you were just let and just because of affirmative action it was never because you were deserving or because of your merit it was because you were black and. and they feel like and we're talking about the people that white voters they feel aggrieved and they feel like they're not further along because of some black or brown person that's taken their place they don't seem to realize that they're also part of the problem because they're voting against their interests i am lost how white poor americans can identify more with donald trump than with joe biden that blows my mind you see very very see donald trump is hovering the births of credentials will be a comedy for exam done

a lot. of fool yes but when you look at it and if you are critical thinker this man has filed bankruptcy how many times what has he ever succeeded and he inherited money from his father and he's now what 4 $120000000.00 in debt he and mitt he inherited an economy from joe biden and barack obama and even though coded had devastating effects we were already in a manufacturing recession so what has he done and what has he ever accomplished. meanwhile the vote counting goes. not going to be we've had the intervention from donald trump his cold to save the mountain to the comes constitutional cold is the is the election of the vote counting going to continue as planned then is this going to sort of leads to. the the appointment of a new president as planned is everything going to stay on course i think he's

barking a lot because he's worried but there are laws and there are rules and just because donald trump says the opposite doesn't erode those rules and those those laws so yes the vote counts will go on and maybe he will try to file lawsuits but the low cut will go on people's votes will count at this point we should just assume and take for granted that there will be multiple lawsuits filed in multiple counties and from both the biden and the trump campaigns because what we're really saying is you know if you look back 20 years ago to bush v gore. george bush at the time george w. bush won by a little over $500.00 votes that's the margins we're talking about here a little over $500.00 votes decide if that election so we're definitely going to see that here especially if the margins are as close as appearing they are. i still cannot understand how the americans could have fooled this full of such inefficiency around the election of the president that's the time of the. time of

such of a of a major economic recession i do think to be fair states have also learned from 2016 because of election interference our intelligence agencies have been very clear that there was foreign interference and dissent from asian on the internet and states have taken the time to fortify the election systems but at the end of the day there is a pandemic and there are mail in ballots and absentee ballots and it will take time to count patience is necessary. a huge turnout. means that people are super engaged and i guess if anything if we even if we don't have a result at least that is the good news that people realize that their vote counts and even in the midst of a pandemic they've used the instrument of voting and that's the best thing for our democracy but i think it also means that just because there's a higher turnout it doesn't automatically mean that it's going to be a great showing for the democrats and i think that's something that they've always thought that we have high turnout that means it's going to be smooth sailing for

the democrats and if it's a low turnout than if the rest will stay because everybody thought sort of the demographic change was going to benefit the democrats the democrats and eventually the minority vote will come out and support the democrats but it's not as clear cut because maybe when we look at the results of the selection hispanic voters are very heterogeneous not everyone probably voted for the democrats will have to see it is an interesting question that has prevailed has clearly been a surge despite everything that you guys have been saying. of support of a surge of numbers for donald trump. well i think you know he has the full apparatus of the republican party behind him you know despite being impeached despite you know there were numerous criminal inquiries into his behavior from before and during his present. see republicans are valid against him he got them 3 supreme court justices during his term that is more important to them than most other things roe v wade abortion is still a very very important is

a real and genuine triumph. because he has ensured that there will be conservative policymaking through the court for decades to come and not just at the supreme court also when you look at his imprint on the federal judiciary so you know i think the problem that democrats often have is we have our eyes only on one ball of the white house as they say we need also you know both houses of congress to pass legislation we need the federal courts to uphold that legislation and not turn it back so donald trump and trump ism is absolutely here to stay as unfortunate as it is what interim phase of trump is. it's not the fine you know the republican party had no we didn't. want to have it into their agenda was whatever donald trump says this is true this was their agenda their agenda was literally what ever donald trump will do is our agenda for the next but i do think there are elements of protectionism ethno nationalism and like you said loyalty you know as sort of the

supreme leader of the republican party smaller government lower taxes correct yes like i said also ethanol nationalism which very much unfortunately drifts into dog whistling racism as well and protectionism daal trump has talked about tariffs and america being confronted with on free trade practices for years even before he became president and the thing is. his policy with the trade hasn't worked but people are still very loyal to him it is almost like a cult like mentality where people i remember watching an interview or somebody said i don't wear a mask because donald trump says we don't need to and then the reporter said well then what if he said that you should wear a mask then i would wear a mask it's just so you know one thing to me is that i mean donald trump was hospitalized because of the pandemic is being furtively struck down by

some he was hospitalized he came back. but he was point reborn he was like really energized how do you explain. well i think it's that socialized medicine that people say that they hate but they clearly love i think that they do. and he had like this experimental drugs and the. the steroids and all of that all of the medicines that are not most of the medicines that are not yet available to regular people he has and instead of being a bigger man and saying i've gotten a contract that this this is what i've learned this is what we can do and kind of galvanize the nation and take control of this public health issue and said he said i've overcome it because i'm superman well those 200 more than 200000 people that died their lives are worth something to and he's not any better than them because he was able to survive because of all of this amazing socialist hair color he got

a quick views with where we're going to go next where what we're going to see ourselves in the months to come in the months to come so soon after we get past the summer 14th when the electors vote and decide we have to see if different slates of electors have been sent so that's a very you know the constitutional crisis were approaching is that if there are still no clear results by december 14th then you might have circumstances where you have states where there's a democratic governor but a republican controlled legislature. you could have in certain of those battleground states the republican controlled legislature is sending their electors to washington and the democratic governor saying no they're illegitimate i'm sending mine so then we have to get into january and as we get closer to an organization day you know that's january 20th we have to have a new president but then how is that going to decide it is mike pence as the president of the senate is he going to cast the vote that keeps himself and his boss in office or whatever is going to see so it's really over the next few weeks we have to remain patient we have to keep an eye on those battleground states on

every single vote being counted on the lawsuits that are going to come and how the courts are going to respond to. america or a country now of hope or a country of fia. i think it's a country of division unfortunately and this is something that i think we kind of all knew going in regardless of who wins this race our country remains polarized this is a deep seated issue in our country and it's not going to disappear overnight the question is when will the tipping point come when americans see each other as you know citizens together rather than on opposite sides of the aisle and drives away when is it going to come or is it going to come when it is my experience with so many americans both here in europe and in london the u.s. itself is the people are always telling me we don't talk about it we don't talk about politics. that's not going to go away no i don't think anything will come

into the united states really comes to grips with what we are and how we're going to move forward we have to finally recognize the inequalities that happen within the black community within the brown community and take it from there you can't sweep it under the rug and then hope that change will come. joe one final word. i mean that america's always been divided you know because it's in our constitution it was founded on slavery and that's something that we also have to keep in mind this electoral contact that i've been talking about it goes back to the end of reconstruction and so we see is everything is just coming together now and it's unfortunate ok thank you very much indeed for being answered i love the dust has not settled on the u.s. election yet i hope we have never thought i must give you plenty of food for thought thanks for joining us bye bye interests.

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a day after polling and there is still no clear outcome in the u.s. presidential election democratic challenger joe biden and president trump are waiting for results from a handful of key states as the last votes are counted the president already claimed victory and alleged electoral fraud without presenting any evidence and he's also threatened to take the matter to the supreme court joe biden has called for patients so let's take a look at the results so far neither donald trump nor joe biden have to be $270.00 electoral college votes they need to win arizona in the southwest is the latest battleground states to decide its 11 electoral college of votes going to mr biden making it the only state so far to have switched sides since the 2016 election. votes are still being counted in the decisive midwestern industrial states

including wisconsin which has 10 electoral college votes joe biden currently has a narrow lead there is the biden's also leading in michigan which has 16 electoral college votes it's close there too but in the last hour has swung ever so slightly towards the democrats who finish with the biggest prize still for grabs that's pennsylvania 20 electoral college votes on there and president to trump apparently has a big lead though lots of votes are still to be counted including many from metropolitan areas which are expected to favor joe biden so for now the race for that crucial number $270.00 electoral college votes is still open with democrat joe biden on 238 and president trump on 213 well even though more than 100000000 americans cast their ballots early there were still long lines when the

polling booths opened on election day and many carried on pressing their message long after they voted. that was a man in his tribe that best to make their voices heard on shoes day from black lives matter protests in d.c. to julian trump and biden supporters in miami crowds and during many tens hours as vote counting is still underway. the 2 candidates are locked in a tight race with both confident of winning the election. we believe we're on track to win a selection or. we really are because if they are pressured an early vote in a maryland vote is going to take a while we're going to have to be pressure until the hard work of tally of votes is finished. but president truman didn't wait ready claiming victory before votes were

counted. will think we were getting ready to win this election frankly we did win this election. is a major fraud in our nation we want the law to be used in a proper manner so we'll be going to the u.s. supreme court trump was referring to mailing votes to be accepted after election day in several states but the system is fully legal and it's used by tens of millions of people. this election is expected to have one of the highest noting turnouts in recent history even during a pandemic indicating just how important she states vote was for the american people. i voted for the greatest president in history gone ok sharon chump is doing nothing for us now that he's going to have anything more on the

control than what. chump. but it looks like the situation will not be under control. that soon as president comes a statement through stick country in a state of uncertainty many in the u.s. bracing for a political storm. let's go straight to washington for the latest on from me so misconduct will consume me so where do things stand at the moment well filled the latest right now is that former vice president joe biden's campaign has been speaking to the media his campaign manager jennifer o'malley delon said that she is confident that joe biden is on track to win and that he will reach that magical number of a 270 electoral college votes that that he would need to win that he would reach that today she also said that she believes joe biden is on track to win the state of wisconsin and will also win a vata and that he will possibly address voters today so that's what we heard from

joe biden's team now president trump's campaign manager bill stepien has also been speaking to reporters on a conference call and he has said that the president's campaign so he's reinforcing what we heard from the president overnight said that the campaign would fortune had with legal efforts to make sure that legally cast votes are counted that there are no illegally cast votes so that's a messaging we're hearing from both sides right now phil as so much is still in flux 6 states are still too close to call they're still counting in most of these states they are pennsylvania wisconsin michigan georgia arizona and nevada these are states we knew would be very close where it would take time to come ballots so it's not unusual that we don't have a definitive winner yet but what is added pressure of course as we heard is that the president prematurely claim victory as many feared he would do if the results were to be really close as it is so when do we expect to have an idea of the final electoral college tally. it's too soon to say phil i mean the states are getting

closer but it could take hours days even weeks the governor of pennsylvania has recently been speaking saying that they've gotten through about half of mail in ballots in that state and that they're going as quickly as they can in order to be accurate but let's point out that states don't actually have to submit their final tally to call a winner until december 8th that is technically the deadline and though the president president has railed against any effort to take a long time to call a winner but the constitution does have a provision for that that makes that i expect that we will see a more definitive result in the coming days over the next week but it is again fell just too soon to tell and briefly so we've got results and does go against on the trapeze through all sorts of legal challenges where the what basis well president tom claimed that he would take this to the supreme court we heard him speaking in that sound bite these are lawfully cast ballots legally cast

ballots and it's not clear that the president would have any grounds on which he could challenge them but where he might do that there are already been all sorts of legal challenges in the lead up to the election in some key battleground states like pennsylvania and wisconsin these states still that are still counting right now so if there are to be legal legal challenges they would start on the state level and the likely in those contested states thank you susumu so much come to washington. oh people in governments around the world are waiting with anticipation for the results of this election here in germany policymakers and citizens have been giving their views on the events unfolding across the atlantic. all these u.s. citizens sent in their ballots by mail ballots that donald trump alleges were fraudulent in many cases the democrats abroad gathered in front of the u.s. embassy in berlin to protest against elaters from the u.s. president today we're here because we believe that the votes must be counted.

and many were postmarked and it is not illegal to count them after the election i find it absolutely abhorrent what he's saying this kind of language is a lot to be tolerated thing credibly disappointing that from the president of the united states for the sitting president democratically elected sitting president who himself voted by mail to say that voting by mail is a fraud. i mean well if at the pattern of behavior that donald trump lives in his own reality it is true that donald trump has certainly voted by man in the past as long as the official results of the election remain unknown to german government will not formally comment on the outcome but individual politicians have reacted to transfer of claims and premature announcement of victory. mines and we should all insist that democratic elections are allowed to be completed that means only

over when all votes have been counted every citizen must have the chance to influence to result was to vote getting tight declaring itself the winner at this stage is something i consider irresponsible and extremely problematic. we are concerned about the situation in the usa we hope that there are no riots and. no problems with. regard to the security. but we are also very keen on fostering the ties between our 2 governments here in the capital barely opinions are divided on the outcome of the election. to go with this is really i think donald trump is the right president for the united states. it's not finished until all the ballots are counted. but he's thinking it turned declaring himself the winner in such a close race is

a bit strange to put it mildly. it's not clear when the results will be finalized but in the meantime all eyes here in germany are in washington. state closer look at the german perspective with the political correspondent to thomas sparrow welcome thomas no comment from world leaders the man with lots of comments from within the german political establishment we had the chair of the bonds or stocks foreign affairs committee saying that germany is not prepared for 4 more years of working with trump which seems rather outspoken that's correct so we didn't hear from a call in fact spokes person mr burt was quick to say that i'm michael would not comment on the result until we officially knew who would be in the white house in the next 4 years but you are correct to point out that other politicians have been mentioning that their views when it comes to what is happening in the united states now i would say that one of the main comments actually came from germany's defense

minister. who described a situation as explosive we even said that there could be a constitutional problem crisis in the united states and that has obviously garnered some criticism not on. here in germany but also in other parts as to why she's actually commenting on these kinds of things when there is no result clear in the united states. let's get a view on that from a new report who's a foreign policy spokesman germany's green party welcome. if you care i'm here i can hear are i there you are i can hear you but i can see you are welcome to d.w. is it appropriate to do you think for german politicians to take sides when it comes to discussing of already elections not about taking sides but we are highly concerned of that what's going on in the united states we are driving massively into a constitutional crisis of the united states this is the most important partner we

have outside of europe and of course we are highly concerned and this is not about me only it is not about of defense minister only to says about the entire political class and the population of this country i think you're highly concerned of a time of weeks or months of instability in the united states which to be honest a few years ago was definitely not imaginable ok so that's that's one view of looking at it when that the chair of germany's of the bulletins foreign affairs committee says germany is not prepared for 4 more years of working with trump that sounds very much like taking sides. this is absolutely none of our business who was the end of today being elected by the american people this is their choice but for the last 4 years we had some kind of bizarre and strange experiences and we saw a president who was not ready to to build

a reliable bridge in relations to germany we had a president states who who was trash talking about germany when it came to 2 campaigns and he did it in the last campaign and during this campaign of course it's bad for our image and of course we have to talk about it no this is not about taking sides this is about defending ourselves and if we could have a president named trump for the next 4 years who behaves not a way toward us this would be ok we could we could live with that but of course the experience of the last 4 years was not that hopeful would you see a biden presidency necessarily being better for germany. i would love to see another kind of policies toward germany i would love to see a president you know in a white house which is talking to us it's not our choice this is a decision the americans have to take when it comes for example to dare armed forces in germany should i stay here all should a should it should it go back this is not our business this is their decision but

of course we are highly engaged and related to that to that russian i hope that the next president whoever that is would talk to us before he decides and try to explain we have. got to leave it there mr notable good talk of you thank you for joining us. i made a note of you all from germany is our foreign affairs committee that's it you're up to banks more at the top. is for me. is for you. to be true for us for help. break open.