i doubt if they will not succeed in dividing us out, not succeed in taking the people off the streets because we're tired of this dictatorship taking the stand. global news that matters. d. w. made from minds what do you correct trouble in a machine if in given mention what was known as in i mean maybe one day they will. they will have their own preferences that we care about, and they will be, you know, if they become like a new or new species,

artificial intelligence creates things we've never seen or heard before. like the stuff mahler's unfinished 10th symphony now completed in its entirety, am the deep neural network news net has managed to complete what the composer couldn't ai is invading our lives and the arts. just how much is the subject of iraq one's research, a director of the max planck institute for human development in berlin. he talks with us about ai and how to deal with intelligent machines. with your head of research center, humans and machines. why do you think it's important to study the be here machines?

because machines are in new act or in our world? you know, this is the 1st time that we've created a tool that can make decisions on it's own. it's going to be driving cars. it's going to be making decisions about who gets hired and fired and it's going to help us create art and so on. so what would you say are the possible scenarios we're looking at in the near future? the problem with machine learning is that it might be learned harmful behavior is on its own. we need to understand that we're dealing with a new kind of entity. bit maybe a little bit after that about like in a space odyssey doors. oh, i'm sorry. i'm afraid i can't do that computer. how is an intelligent beast, but with the emphasis on beast think you know what the problem is?

just as well as right. this mission is too important for me to you to jeopardize an intractable. how doesn't think much of people speaking, there's no reason to since they're so liable to breaking down in alien the space ships, computer mother acts in a similar why can't they use a god like turning the wrath of salt human? survive a cigar anyway, that is ripley in films intelligent machines usually run amok. though a few strive to be human, sometimes even more humane than never all models. say that the robot in steven spielberg's ai even wants to build real relationships. but is david as harmless as he looks sort of official.

of course it is in blade runner, replicants go broke to escape their fights a slave laborers. so they aim to hide their true identities. it seems you feel i work is not a benefit to the public. i think there's going to murder me in my suite. in one of the red comedies about ai, the robot may not look human. but he's a real body that you ever had a dream. you know that you were so sure was real in the matrix trilogy. i am i control and entire power in the universe, one in which people are clearly not welcome. she wouldn't be interested in trying sirius this planet to leave him secure.

the terminator is sent back from the future to correct the course of history. he's a killing machine, guided by a high because humans could endanger robots in the future. they're deemed expendable. but later it's machines against machines and everything ends in chaos. yet, in most cinematic confrontations with the humans who come out on top, that's probably because for now, people are still watching the scripts. trust me, ai causes a lot of anxiety and fear within society. how can we deal with this, and do you think that these concerns are valid? i think people are afraid the way are today, because we don't understand this thing. so if ai is not as powerful as hollywood depicts, how powerful is it? you know, where is it being used?

what kinds of mistakes does it make? is it affecting me as an effect in my family, or does it make us strictly better off or sometimes worse off? and i think when you don't understand something that is gaining more and more power over you there, think it's your right to be concerned. what about the air i self? would you describe that more as a simple tool or could you see it also being a creative genius. we did a study on, on how people perceive they are, and we found that also the way you speak about it, i can shape public perception. so for example, 1st i generated art in a high profile auction was sold for something, you know, just under half a $1000000.00. if you use the language of agency to describe the ai, the artist gets like tens of thousands of dollars less but in people's minds. but when you ask them how much money do you think the heart of st,

the versus the programmer and so on. so that really translates to real money. and the same thing goes for when something goes wrong. so we want to stimulate a discussion about language, or are they are? because this language has real consequences on blame and praise on benefits and on costs for real humans behind the old walls of this 16th century, man, i just outside london, their lives. a robot that draws this machine with a human face is named ada. she's a robot with the mannerisms of a real artist what her current work, like because there

was a major has been drawing and painting since 2019 last year. her work sold out at an exhibition at oxford university. it's estimated that collectors have paid more than 1000000 pounds for where x. gallery owner, age, and miller came up with the idea to create a new that was usual every 2 or $30.00 her days. kathy cohen, together with a team of computer scientists, robotics experts and design, is miller developed in his own words. the world's 1st robot artist programmed for creativity. major draws with chalk and paints with acrylic. how it works, make a fortune to me, to look hurt,

to have this interaction with the normal human in the way that we can. it's quite a among fertilizing feeling. but she would be surprised how quickly you feel very relaxed with and with having a robot in your life as a call to explore the potential of artificial intelligence before it's too late. but is this real art, or is it just a grand technical achievement? a.j. raises the question whether human artists will be competing against robots in the future. we've heard from different artists thinking, oh my goodness, what does that mean for my own abilities? we really much believe the rise of within the world is very much similar to the rise of the camera in the fifty's and sixty's. people were very threatened by this camera painting. the idea that one day robots

might replace humans is unthinkable for artist marcus to have pets. he's one of the most influential german contemporary painters. sees artist robots like, ada is no more than an attempt to attack the divine spark of human genius. one of the last mysteries of our enlightened and mechanized world. the machine in the robot is an abomination in the machine machine. start to think. i'd say it's an outrage, they become the enemy. this enemy relies on human input data templates and information that robots like. a program to process and they continue to get better with this processing on a technical level. yet the machine understands neither. a painter's creative urges no an artist's obsession. that's why robots, that paint and draw will always be condemned to merely imitate.

the machine machines can only do what humans do when we don't need machines or machines would need to do something that humans can't perhaps true mechanical creativity is at its best when it supports human roles and algorithms can help or act as assistance. the british artist and original does to create a symbiosis of both worlds real life and the world of technology. in her art, she creates virtual flowers through machine learning. midler is only able to see the results of her work when the computer has finished processing. it's like when you catch a glimpse of yourself in america before you realize it's you and you kind of, you kind of recognize yourself, but you also don't. so it's this weird, uncanny kind of kind of sensation in her video installation, most a virus, she lets the computer come up with an endless sequence of chewed it pitches. these

2 lips don't exist in this way. they're based on tens of thousands of images of real flowers that an irregular photographed categorized and then handed over to her ai helper. it's always surprising and it's always something that is, you know, it's like a wild or freer version of something that you might create, but you could never get there without this help every single shoot. it was a unique electronic specimen and attributes to the dutch masters and their 17th century, still life paintings. the technical possibilities and now and i read lots of paint such classic motifs in a completely new guy. not with a brush or on a canvas, but through artistic artificial intelligence. her original and over to our generated creations. i would say the majority of the creations

today are not as original as you might think. and the reason is they rely on machine learning. and machine learning is the me that for the most part, learns from examples. so it is as original as all of this combined art that it's all before. i think the part of machines creativity, that's more original, that's more risky. that's more exploratory where the machine is creating completely new imagination, which i think is much less developed today. but that's part could really change what it means to create art. music composed by written scape over to put it more precisely the rivers. many bands are analyzing, transposed into notes. the rhythm is set by the forces of nature

and loose. when the river has lots of bends or has a more complex visual structure than the musical structure is also more complex, and when the course of the river changes, then you also hear that as acoustic feedback as a kind of live ranter potations, based on the data acquired by the ai its algorithms are fed with countless examples which teach the turn sounds into music. it can then suggest what fenian melody could embark on. next. music may mathematically, is it creative? is it art? of course, it's another approach him and that's the way you need to imagine it, like i'm going to, i belong to a whole generation of new composers and also artists who have grown up with technology and with algorithmic methods mission metod and what ai has now opened up

for machine learning to put it more precisely, is a kind of sparring partners, bearings, a partner that helps in the composition process and reacts to suggestions. for 9 years, musician ali nick ryan has been developing a program to write sophisticated compositions. was this written by a man or a machine? it's impossible to tell he's big breakthrough came with the program which can compose pieces in the style of everything from mozart, to show and street interviews. listen to a piece of music that is accomplished by an ai since it is able to examine responses because of the exactly not they, i see some as not understanding of our emotions. classical pianist, glenn gould performances were emotional and unconventional. though he died in 1902,

his style is still alive and well, thanks to ai. so what we're doing is we're analyzing audio recordings to see how he interprets a given piece of music and try to change to an ai system so that i could play an expressive style of bringing going go back to life. it's as if glenn gould ghost is sitting at the piano. those who knew him a star christian knows or doesn't just want to imitate human creations. he wants to explore unknown to mentions through his art. with the help from ai, he's collected some other will be signals

or this one become very brief as we take this great unknown outer space. and we try to capture radio signals from space. and then we have our man made a scanner to look for patterns which we wouldn't be able to find on our own transcriptions from space interpreted by using familiar harmony. it's a bit dark, a bit bizarre, yet somehow sublime. yeah, and you kind of, you enter a question and you get a reply, you never would have anticipated that can move things forward in the composition or creative work which allows it to take

a turn you simply couldn't predict. and this is, that's quite exciting. that's out of the search pun machines are becoming increasingly able to adapt, learn, and create original, unpredictable outputs. how would you say this, mpeg society today, ai looks like this magical black box that has new things that we've never seen before. and also maybe we, we ascribe too much power to these things that are influencing us as well. so now we just think of all these algorithms that are manipulating us in so many ways. and the truth is, we don't really know the extent to which this many collision works. we don't have like a very solid scientific basis about how much really, how much power these things have over us. what do you think the top dangers are of enter creating ai into our lives? having

a small group of people have more not political power over ai. so if you think of today, we have very few companies that have disproportionate power over our data. if this data is paid to ai's, that can then have a say or can make decisions that impact us and society as a whole, then we're in trouble because then we're in a tyrannical situation. and i think that's a problem that we don't have really transparency about which data can be owned by whom can be used by whom to what and, and this is not always part of a clear transparent discussion. what role do you think art can play in this debate? i think are going to be really powerful because it can help us imagine both the good and the bad. so artists can translate the technology and the unknown into something that our imagination can,

can deal with. and that we can connect with on an emotional level and in internet to all are. so artists have, i think, a great role to play an art act as a mediator between the real world and digital reality. it's as if we're living in 2 worlds at the same time. in one that is visible in which we can take a train, go shopping, meet other people, and another in which we are monitored and algorithms make decisions for us. artificial intelligence systems collect data and arrange the world who profits who loses out. imagine you're walking down a street and if you're an older woman, you know, you only see certain stores and certain options businesses. but if you're

a younger man, you see lots and you see a totally different street. and that's very much what i was, you know, having nightmares about, you know, that the street that i would walk down as a black woman in germany might be entirely different than the street that, you know, friends or family members are able to walk down. because they're male because why? because they're not what can our do to fight discrimination? what role can it play? a scout? i think that has a great strength. it can make things accessible. i think that it's extremely important because our society is so influenced by artificial intelligence. now people are being marginalized by these technologies and we have to speak about it. dani and nicky are 2 researchers and artists based in berlin who are exploring the question of why the world remains. so one just although there is so much artificial

intelligence here there in berlin's future in a space where the future of the planet and humanity is explored. this is a world increasingly dominated by machines and algorithms that are discriminatory. dani says that ai is intertwined with racism and sexism. that after everything, the data that the systems used from the past said they're actually quite conservative systems in a sense from under the top when they're used to predict, to recommend, to underscore what to expect in the future. it's very unrealistic to expect them to be more egalitarian or fair or anything different than the data that it's amusing as a basis. i have fashion her some time with no one in sight, joy ball. my name is a gun in american with him,

pewter scientist and artist. she started fighting bias in algorithms after realizing that ai did not recognize her face unless she wore a white mask. the more she delved into the issue, the more she understood that it was a structural problem. ai systems do not work with black people, particularly black women. so joy, nice gender shapes project is really how i started to understand that this is a whole body of research that's been done. if you're not convinced that you have a representative data set of the various possibilities for diversity in the world, then you're probably not going to have a very fair or a very expansive assessment by an algorithm of who is legitimate person, who is a person at all who is considered an individual who has access to social participation,

who has positions of power for ai systems fed with data from the past. the answer is often white men. some of them cannot even attribute the right sex to women. still, obama, i know that going on a raid to wear her down in history. her crown seems a mystery systems. i'm sure of her hair a way go too far to behave. maybe not. are there no words for our brains that are lots? there's a relaxed hair, and so anything oprah 1st lady, remember her days? well now some algorithms falter and waves and then that's gone when they are met. i think that what artists an artistic creators can do is help us to see and feel what the experience of being marginalized looks like. and to help us understand before we get so far that we discover this is happy to us. what it is that we're doing by excluding certain people by creating artificial barriers that are not mediated by human contact. some video artists have started using ai and virtual reality

themselves to offer a response. the neuroscientist ashley baucus clark has created an installation with hyphen labs, which puts users in the body of a black woman at a hair salon. and there's a good many of these projects are about taking back the power of intent protection, showing everything from our perspective. what do we really associate with ai? ashley and typhon labs is showing that vision of a future, a very community based future. a future without discrimination and stereotypes. can artificial intelligence help to make the world a better place? i don't think that we should be working to ai to make the world together, terry, and this is something for ai might be exacerbating some of the more undesirable

aspects of society. but we humans can still change that ai opens up all kinds of new dimensions and the adventure has just begun to join us again. next time on arts 21

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