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they truly feel that they are losing a chunk of their homeland. they feel that they've been betrayed, and people are expressing that anger and desperation as they leave the districts that are being handed over. for example, in the charges strict, which is quite near yerevan, we saw on the road burning houses. people are basically setting their own fires, their own houses alight as they leave because they say that they don't want to leave anything behind. for john, you have some of the army lives have been up ended by recent fighting. it's a joyful moment for some after weeks of fear. now that the fighting in has ended, hundreds of refugees are returning to their homes instead of every day. russian peacekeepers watch over the process, but not everyone has
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a home to come back to her mother are from the nearby city of shushi, which is now under control. just like for many here to them. the recent peace deal is a betrayal. still we don't know what we will do and where we will live. we just came here because we have no other option. we don't have a home. yeah. i left everything behind in shoes. she a 2 bedroom apartment with everything in us. i didn't even manage to take any clothing with me. my neighbor's dog, some of my clothes, one of everything, and this is wash. i came here in with a population of just over 50000 people is the biggest city in here. think they could soon be dealing with up to 25000 refugees from nearby
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regions which are no longer under armenian control. had several hotels, so that people can live there for now. while we start building more houses, that people who have come from the regions all want to live in stock on the kurds, and we have to explain to them this isn't big enough to provide for everyone. we have to send them to live in villages in other areas. even for those who didn't leave. traces of the recent war, lurk around every corner, people and have gotten used to living in the middle of a frozen conflict. but after the most recent fighting, even that normality seems far away is preparing for the return of his children and grandchildren who left during the fighting. the windows of his building got blown out in a bomb blast for now, plastic sheets will have to do instead. the 65 year old says he and his neighbors
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lived in the basement for around 3 weeks. many can still remember the fierce fighting of the 990 s. . i was machine gunfire back and forth. this time it was really scary weapons. we have to start over now. we don't have anything, we don't have work either but we're going to do our best to live well. even with destruction everywhere, most people say leaving is not an option. even if no court has just gotten smaller, it will always be their homeland. but of course, one of them assured and still standing by the russian peacekeepers have now been deployed. how they viewed in that region by the people in that region.
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while people here in armenia initially felt almost that russia had betrayed them during the 6 week war after all, armenia and russia are close allies and they also have a defense treaty. but the mere putin, the russian president had said that he would only intervene on armenia's behalf if armenia proper was under attack. but now that sense of betrayal seems to have shifted. we saw a russian peacekeepers in a carriage and also at monastery in charge district. and people there seemed to be very grateful for the presence of the peacekeepers. they were thanking them for protecting the monastery, which is now going to be in as a by john control as it were in territory, which is under control. and they even were giving chocolates and pas to the russian soldiers there. so it seems that sense of betrayal has shifted particularly to the prime minister here in armenia. yeah, the armenian prime minister has been under
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a lot of pressure recently domestically on people just happy that the shooting is still. people are happy that the shooting has stopped, but they feel that the peace deal that nico pushing on the prime minister here signed was a betrayal. they feel that he, as people said to me, sold off their homeland. and there have been protests here in the arab on almost every day today. there are young protesters around the city, blocking off roads, calling for the call, flushing on to resign. people have been chanting traitor. so far though, pushing on himself doesn't seem to be willing to resign. he has promised that 80 percent around 80 percent of his cabinet will go. and we've seen that happening in the past few days, including today, when the defense minister resigned just a few days ago, the foreign minister resigned as well. but it seems that question and himself is
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willing to and is hoping to weather the storm despite those ongoing protests you don't usually serve in there is in that year of thank you very much. i mean, hong kong activists, joshua warmest, told you that chinese efforts to suppress the territories pro-democracy movement will not succeed. one goes on trial next week, facing charges of unlawful assembly and wearing a mosque during demonstrations last year. he has been detained repeatedly and could be sentenced to several years in prison if found guilty, we spoke to george wall and i asked him how he's preparing for next week's trial is what he said. it's not easy to handle the pressure as the one where arrested for 10 times being jailed for 3 times. and now i'm facing 6 charges within 3 court cases and perhaps time for them to come soon. but no matter what happen due to fly, great. assuming right, it's essential to restart democracy,
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i would generation and the generation following us. so in the upcoming future, it's still important to keep on the fight. no matter urging the world to stand with the trout detained at home, call it, or how we keep on to seek for local and global community support. we just want to let the world to know that even the present boss, etc, is still also important to encourage the world to realize that their fight in hong kong for freedom has not. and yet democracy activists just a warning they're speaking to do w. earlier. and of course, we'll have full coverage of his trial, which starts on monday. let's have a look now. at some developments in the coronavirus pandemic, the european union has agreed to pay $15.00 euros and $0.50 per dose for their covert vaccine from the pharma companies, pfizer and bio tech in india, the total number of people infected with cove. it passed the $9000000.00 mark and the u.s. states of california and ohio have ordered residents to stay at home and avoid
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non-essential social gatherings between 10 pm and 5 am. the number of new infections is surging across the u.s. . germany has recorded its highest number of daily coronavirus cases more than 23 and a half 1000 new infections have been confirmed in the last 24 hour period. the institute for infectious diseases reports that 880000 people from across the country have now contracted covert 900. rise comes, germany continues to battle, the virus with partial lockdown tougher restrictions could be put in place when chancellor merkel meets with the heads of the federal states. next week. chief political editor has been following this story, joins us now. here despite a partial lockdown, germany keeps hitting record daily highs. is there any political consensus on whether tougher measures are actually needed? not quite. the german chancellor spectacularly failed in the last round to get
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tougher measures through, with those crucial heads of the federal, state sera, and many in the end decide which measures to take. next, there is always a delay. we've learnt this throughout the year to see what effect any kind of lockdown has. currently there's a hope, at least that we're seeing something like the plateau of the 2nd wave. but as we heard from mr leader, the head of the r k. institute on infectious diseases yesterday. and it's a big hope safe is saw. but we're out of the zone of exponential growth and that was absolutely crucial to get some kind of control back to at least be able to see people meet again. by the time, christmas comes around your house, germany positioned when it comes to approving and rolling out vaccines. well, authorities here have been told to be ready to start vaccinations by mid december.
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the german chancellor herself speaks of the end of december the beginning of next year when vaccinations should become available and then not just in germany, but throughout the entire region. there's also a big focus right now on testing whether we can have fast tests in time for that crucial christmas period when everybody gets together here in europe to make at least that celebration safe. so we're on the final stretch towards vaccinations being rolled out. pretty good. thank you michelle. a week ago the video showing a man lying dead in a hospital bathroom sparked outrage in italy. the clinic in the city of naples said the patient was being treated for suspected corona, virus infection. we have chosen not to play that particular clip, but we'll show you scenes of that hospital struggling to cope. we'll also meet a woman whose father been fighting against mismanagement in the health sector that
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was before he himself died of covert 900 only a few days ago. you have to lost her father to call that 19. she says it is still too hard for her to look at this photo. and it's not only her who's mourning, but the whole sunday town neighborhood in naples, francesco, to a total, was well known here, a political activist who left his mark all over senator. just as many here will remember him as a fighter for better health care. and this and what about this fight became the symbol of his death. my father died because of mismanagement of the health care system. one kilometer behind his house, the hospital was partly closed. so he fought for it to be operative again. if it's still been open, he'd still be here this year by the visiting them. but when he
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got sick francesca who had to had to wait for more than 2 weeks to be picked up by ambulance. when he got to naples to rally hospital, it was already too late. at about the same time this video filmed in the code 900 word of this exact hospital cost consternation and in italy. the recent campaign and its capital, naples were mostly spared from the 1st wave of the coronavirus pandemic in spring, only to be hit even harder by the 2nd wave. this doctor works in another hospital in the region, out of fear for his job. he doesn't want to show his face. he says that many untrained doctors and nurses have to feel in a sense that we can't assist all people in the probable way. even if we try. we're also worried about being infected . our main issue is the lack of hospital beds and personnel
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this dr. seymour now says another, the problem, italy has cut down healthcare spending over the last decades. they're not enough family doctors, hospitals have been privatized to keep them to support for their every imagine superman companions historically overwhelmed by too much work. and family doctors are too busy to take care of cova 1000 patients. it's only self and naples in particular are economically far worse than the rich and north of the country. mario compared to supports the left being majority in naples city council . it needs that local and regional authorities could have maybe avoided the crisis if they'd communicated better. probably mendis and we are probably if we do united out voices, when we requested more doctors, we would have gotten more and appear more trustworthy. beauty the purchases
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campaign was put under lockdown far too late. when her father got sick in mid october life here in sunny tao, was this business always? she was sure her dad would be missed out on so they were then why they were caught up in the south. you know what i would do, one of the reasons why everybody loved him as a politician is because they actually saw him doing things. sometimes he himself fixed the halls in the street with cement. we still have bags of cement and taryn, and we don't know what to do with that if patsy and i want to take her father's place to courage, but she doesn't want to blame a single person. it's the system itself. she wants to be hold accountable reporting from naples. that's all. take a look at some of the other international headlines. e.u. leaders have failed to resolve the dispute over the blocks budget. poland and hungary vetoed the proposed budget over provision to blockade, to countries deemed in violation of rule of law standards. about half of the 1.8
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trillion euro packages emerged the funding for economies hit by the corona virus. pandemic officials say dozens of people are dead in central and south america. after hurricane iotas swept through the region, it struck nicaragua, caribbean coast on monday as a category 4 hurricane causing heavy rain and mudslides rescue workers continue to search for survivors. officials in the u.s. state of georgia say a hand counting of votes cast in the presidential election confirms democrat, joe biden won the state. the recount of about 5000000 votes came from an audit required by a new state law. there were no problems with the original counts. 75 years ago today, right after world war 2, the groundbreaking nurnberg trials were launched with 24 high ranking members of the nazi dictatorship, put on trial, the work used of crimes against peace,
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war crimes, crimes against humanity. and conspiracy. the judicial proceeding revealed the true extent of their trustees, and were incredibly significant for the 1st time in history, the rulers of a country were being held accountable for violations of international law. while none of the defendants in $945.00 would admit their personal guilt trials were fundamental and laying the foundations for today's international criminal court. in the hague. now, did you spoke to 2 men, one an auschwitz survivor and the other, the son of a nazi deputy. they told us about the impact that these tribunals have on their lives and still have in 1944, peter guard was 14 years old when he, his mother and his sister, were deported to the auschwitz concentration camp. one year later, at the nuremberg trial, he recognised some of the men who sent them to the gas chamber. it was pure luck
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that he survived. i followed the trial and felt great satisfaction, that at least the maiming were brought to justice by the allies. and that they finally received their just punishment. nicholas frank also experienced an unexpected end to his carefree childhood. his father, hans frank, was hitler's deputy in occupied poland. hans was one of the main war criminals dubbed the butcher of poland. nicholas was only 6 then. he was teased at school at school. some kids made up rhymes minister, minister gas canister because i was the son of a heist minister. that wasn't so bad. and other one said to me, good nicky, nicky, that was my nickname. your daddy will be hanged soon. so i just answered yes.
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up until the very end, the main war criminals denied the systematic extermination of jews. they tried to deny everything and said they knew nothing. but during the trial, they were shown films of the concentration camps with the mountains of corpses. and afterwards, even during himself was dazed. none of the accused at the nurnberg trial to credit for their actions. they pushed the responsibility up the chain of command. they said they only have bad orders. they blamed everything on hitler or himmler who were both dead by then. nicholas why father was sentenced to death. he sent 11 more death sentences were carried out on october 16th, 1946 on at the movies. back then they showed a not how they were hung. but how they lay in their conference with the white and
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black striped noose around their necks. and i thought they all deserved to wear that necktie. nicholas hung always carries a photo of his hanged father with him. and whenever he feels just a touch of pity for his dad, he thinks of auschwitz. and then he affirms the verdict of the nuremberg trial was just an hour joined by professor florrie. yes, back a law professor at the humble university here in berlin. professor, how important were these trials for international law as we know it today? you know, good morning. indeed. the nuremberg trial was, was the key moment for the establishment of modern international criminal law as we have it today. particular with the international criminal court in the hague. it was the 1st time in history. that principle,
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the key principle of international criminal law was implemented and deployed. and that is that there is something like individual criminal responsibility directly on the international law. and this principle, similar efforts after the 1st world war had failed. but this principle was for the 1st time applied an established a nerve group that is actually the fundament of modern international criminal law. where the number of trials were also controversial. some have called them an example of victor's justice. would you say the trials were seriously flawed? well, i would of course agree that the fact that germany lost the war created the possibility for this trial and for other trials, followup trials, which we had before. i like courts following the trial before the international military tribunal. i mean, of course the possibility was created by that did that damage the political
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legitimacy of this trial? i don't think so. there were other legal controversies surrounding that trial. there was no appeal the death penalty was applied. and in particular, the statute which formed the basis for this trial was created ex post facto with london agreement after the 945. so from a legal perspective, there is in fact, what has been some controversy. there are arguments both sides looking from today. it is very clear that it is not a matter of controversy. i believe that number given the conditions at the time formed the key founding moment and also from a legal perspective, a very relevant starting point. what are the national criminal?, well, today we have the international criminal court in the hague, the i.c.c.,
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but with many world powers, such as the us, china, or russia, not recognizing it. how effective is it? well, that's and that's an important point. i mean, we have the i.c.c. in the hague, which is a direct if you want. so consequence, based on the legacy of nurnberg, we have it as a permanent international forum to prosecute and punish crimes under international law like war crimes, crimes against humanity, and the crime of aggression. it is truth though, that the i.c.c. is not it, not a true world court. in particular, as you mentioned, major powers of the word and most parts of the population of the bird is not part of this of this project. still, i believe the i.c.c. plays a key role at the moment. i think it is not the time given international law as such. and the condition in which international law is at the moment to actually
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hope that these powers will join the i.c.c. . but still, the i.c.c. plays a key function for international criminal justice. and so i believe it is not withstanding the fact that these powers are not part of it. it is an important step forward. it has been an important step forward for us a foe. and yes, back, i thank you very much for this assessment. thank you. if you are watching the news, here's a reminder off the top story we're following for you. armenia has begun its handover of several districts to azerbaijan, as part of a contentious piece of call. the agreement was a broker's hope by russia and the end of weeks of fighting over the disputed region in iraq. the cargo that's it from me on the news seems strange for our debate show to the points today,
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to the point that strong opinions clear positions from international perspective such as researchers are reporting significant breakthroughs. it happens to develop a vaccine against covert 19. could this be the beginning of the end for the coronavirus nightmare, and who show which one will profit 1st find out to the point short for names?
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wash your hands. if you can stay at how we are d.w.p. for here for you. we are working tirelessly to keep you informed on all of our platform. we're all in this to get on together or making sure it stays safe. everyone. stacey. stacey, stacey safe, please stay safe. could it be that there is a shimmer of hope in the corona pandemic? well, a number of researchers are reporting significant breakthroughs in efforts to develop a vaccine. at the same time though, infection rates continue to rise relentlessly in many countries, governments across europe and elsewhere have responded with drastic incursions into people's freedoms. a vaccine could end the nightmare, but when,
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and who will profit on? so the point we ask a vaccine against kobe bryant seeing pandemic under control. thanks very much for joining us and my guests here in the studio in the lane are professor susanna schreiber from the german ethics council, who says, in theory, we know how best to distribute limited supplies of the vaccine. the real challenge is putting these ideas into practice. also with us is union official, former doctor now a journalist and author. she believes the vaccine is a ray of hope, but tough times she says, still lie ahead for all of us and a very warm welcome to her to be as quote, professor for public health and beauty biology at berlin, charity hospital. who argues that the news of an effective vaccine is good,
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but it shouldn't distract from the many problems posed by the pandemic. thank you all 3 for being here. i would like to begin with you. there's so much to talk about . some people are talking about a shimmer of hope, others about light at the end of the tunnel i saw though one commentator saying, we find ourselves in the midst of an altar of resignation. stock stuff, is it too dark? i wouldn't see it as dark. i mean, it also depends on where you are. i have to say for me, i am carefully optimistic because i see those images of hope as shimmers of hope. and we have to be realistic. we have to see it is going to take quite some time. it's not going to go from tomorrow on, but i think scientists have announced quite some optimistic news and we can hope that it's all going to get better. so i am carefully optimistic. so
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the tribe optimistic news is the glass half full, half empty. oh, definitely full at the moment i would say, and i wouldn't talk about resignation. i would rather say we have like an autumn of where don't think we can feel this that everyone is suffering from it in from the pen demick one way or exactly. but i truly think that now with these news, we have reason to be optimistic and we have a real exit strategy that people hopefully be able to take. so to what extent the pandemic is under control, that's the question we're asking today. not yet, but we have a fair chance now to get it under control. what you say to be as what your contribution to this is of the moves debate in the mood swings? well, the news about a vaccine is a very important one and will help us to hopefully continue the path that we have started. but many restaurants or theatres squiers have difficulties to, to survive economically, mentally, and the families. so many people facing
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a really, really hard time and we focusing a lot of the protests or the other side. but the middle where people are really struggling and are not only tired but, but, but really facing consequences for the family, for their lives. that is, that is really frustrating and the hope that we all are able to help those individuals. but yes, it's a good sign. so i also think that they have as hard their glasses have. interesting . i saw one survey that said that 85 percent of people here in germany, apparently believe that we will come through the pandemic. the pandemic? well, in the coming months, 85 percent. how do you account for that? great news and positive certainly push, but those will be very, very hard months. so we have to understand that a vaccine will only be available some times during next spring, hopefully,
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or even even a bit later. and then it need to be distributed and people need to be vaccine. we're talking about millions of people. so this is a long way to go. and so we really controlled upon that, like, ok, huge number of scientists around the world are feverish. lee trying to come up with an antique ovid vaccine. the question is, is this humanity at its best with people giving everything to save the lives of others? or is this about profit and strategic gains? from the 200 pharma companies worldwide that are researching to find the coronavirus vaccine, the german company by own tag and the u.s. company, pfizer were the 1st to announce a breakthrough with cutting edge biotechnology. the genetic makeup of the virus would be injected, allowing the patient to develop perfect antibodies. a disadvantage is that the serum must be stored at temperatures of minus 70 degrees celsius. that would rule out vaccinations that a family doctor's office and special vaccination centers would have to be built.
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but the effectiveness of the serum is over 90 percent. we are not the know is that we contribute to control just on them. they do it to get this week. the company moderna also went into the homestretch. it's vaccine is based on the same technology and has a similarly high effectiveness as the bio on tech drug. but it doesn't require extensive cooling methods. this vaccine can be stored at temperatures between $2.00 and $8.00 degree celsius. experts expect that both vaccines will soon enter the market, who will get the corona vaccine 1st? that is the big question, who's going to get it 1st, but i just want to sort of ask another question before we move to that very big question of a little think of a moment of comparing sort of reference to come up with a vaccine with the space race of the 1950 s. and the 1960 s. is that a valid and useful comparison as well? it is really going fast,
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but i will be careful with comparisons like that. and also titles like warp speed and things like that. i think that's difficult because it might suggest that things like security and controls are not being taken to seriously as it normally is. and that is not the case. we are speeding up the process, but mostly by speeding up the burial crissy and organizational things. and not with the controls and security, people can be sure that security is the highest priority and throughout the whole process to be of soon another. yes, i absolutely agree. so it's not a question whose 1st important news is that we will have a vaccine available. so that's important and raise the competition of course, economic aspects involved. this is huge markets, unfortunately, which will then also limited distribution of the vexing globally. but important is that we will have a vaccine and this to specs in is obviously working. and that's the,
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that's the important news and we should focus on that and not on aspects of competition. the question on security is an important one. so there is a standard under which these trials are being conducted and distended. have not moved. so as you know, fisher just sets the bureaucracy has changed. so things that happened one after the other are put in parallel. so we getting a faster approval of the drug. but safety is very important and no company has any interest of a safety concern because at, as soon as this happens, this company will not be able to hit the market. it's interesting though, i don't want to be too negative about the aspects of competition. i was listening very closely to professor shahin, from biotech, there in the report. he says, we are not alone. we will contribute to controlling the pandemic. and we will do it with other companies. this seems to be a real sort of, at least in part a real mode, mood of co-operation. yes, that's very important. many companies are thinking about is to have a platform. so the messenger in our vaccine is one. but there are other platforms
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as well. that's a very likely are working as well, and we need to understand which vaccine is better for whom. but yes, this is not one company and many, many scientific groups of across the globe are working on this. and that's reassuring to some to tell us a little bit more about the logistical challenges of their aircraft, refrigeration. hygiene security guy could go on. yeah, it's going to change the way the world works. you mean in terms of the distribution of the vaccine or in terms of developing at the distribution? i really mean in terms of the logistics of distribution when the vaccine is there, it's going to have a huge impact on the, on how we trade on logistics on, on supply chains and so on. so, i mean, the big question will be how to get the vaccine out to the whole world, because we really need to vaccinate as many people on the whole globe as possible. and i say that i've lost my truck. i'm sorry. could you could say,
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i don't know if you were asking about that, about that, for example, big issues, the refrigeration so hard to be on, take it that needs to be stored at minus 70 degrees. so for example, we can deliver that to our general practitioners to get the vaccination, whereas the mature, no one that's possible is because there is only these 2 to 8 degrees. so there are many issues, but in particular, because we have to vaccinate. so many people do that. will this be localized with doctors? will this be in specific centers? how do we get it to africa if we need this refrigeration, all of that? so there's so many issues. i can't name them all and i don't know them all, but there are plenty of you. you would come back to the question who's going to be of the front of the law? yeah. what's being suggested now by the ethic committee, you know, and the sheiko in germany at least, is that it's going to be the persons who have the highest risk of developing a severe disease and take care of them. and then the ones who sustain
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our normal lives, of fire workers, police officers, teachers, and those kind of people. so it's going to be like a risk assessment. and after that, a distribution. this all sounds very good in russia. the point is that the, from the view of the question, the bottom line here is that it's a question about, you know, who's going to be saved. it is emotional you mean that internationally or both national and international, that's pretty well at 1st, it's going to be the attempt to save the ones who have the highest risk. that's going to be like a matrix or you see the different categories that people fall into because of diseases because of age and because of their job, maybe it's going to be a very difficult assessment of that assessment. you've been working with germany.
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thanks. council. on the, the criteria that will be adopted to make these kind of very difficult decisions. tell us about that process. so, the outcome was already mentioned by yulia, so that's exactly what we just heard. the process was a very new one because usually one committee is asked who is here. it's very important to get all people together so as many people as possible as many expertises, so we have standing in common soon. so that's the vaccination committee. that leaves usually have they came together then the scientific organisation, the drina, and we had the german ethics county council. several people from all organisations came together and really and discussed what would be the best approach. so i think we have a very solitary commendation for politicians that was then also back up, at least for the german ethics council. all the members of the council. i want to come back to the point though, that when we're talking about lives, when we're talking about human beings, we're really not talking about intimate objects. we're talking about people with, you know, hearts and souls and emotions and lives that makes your job very,
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very difficult. indeed. yes, it's difficult. on the other hand, i think we have criteria. so we have certain criteria like the urgency we want solidarity in the society. we want to prevent serious harm and damage. and if you look at these criteria, you can come up with a catalogue of criteria. and then the primary one is really to prevent to prevent the severe outcomes of the death of people. and that was fairly easy. target of strategy that people are discussing is why don't we vaccinate the young and then we can take it this way. and there's one big objection to that. and that is that we don't know where the vaccine will prevent the transmission of the virus from one person to the, to the other. so whether you can, maybe you will still be infectious, although you won't have a severe disease. and in that sense, it does not make sense to vaccinate the young 1st because they don't suffer the hardest consequences. so how much does it matter or explain for us how much it
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matters that a very large number of people within a population group like germany are vaccinated when it is possible? it is very important to stop the pandemic locally that enough people get vaccinated . so currently we expect in 50 to 60 percent of the population will do terms of the biology of the virus. we have other viruses where we need a higher number of people getting vaccinated. the other important aspect, maybe moving to the international viewpoint is that is a global pandemic. so global health is in the porton aspect a pandemic by definition, affects several countries. so we have a global crisis in front of us. and unfortunately now, because of the economy related only the rich country can afford to have the vaccinations are all what we just discussed for countries who can afford to have the vaccination. so we need to also take care of countries who cannot afford this. there are certain aspects where part of the vaccination will be given to countries 20 percent in some settings. other countries are not participating in, in this approach, such as the united states. but we need to make sure the globally,
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we attack the pandemic and we allow countries who cannot afford the drug to actually get the drug and then give the drug to the people. one thing i don't quite understand which we need to clarify. volumes of that international level, is these different, these decisions that are being made in germany? are they made by germany alone or are they made on the european level? there's a good question and certainly there are discussions within the european community, and europe itself has bought certain certain vaccines from, from companies. but i think that from the beginning the european community has not discussed as has europe. we have this discussing within countries. we have measures for each of the countries, but there's no really like a european task force that you see every day in the television explaining that the situation for europe so that they could be more like a communication aspect and also acting together as a european community that you have an answer to that question, i think is very,
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