to the people one thing i don't quite understand which we need to clarify, voidness of that international level, is these different, these decisions that are being made in germany? are they made by germany alone or are they made on the european level? there's a good question and certainly there are discussions within the european community, and europe itself has bought certain certain vaccines from, from companies. but i think that from the beginning the european community has not discussed as has europe. we have been discussing within countries, we have measures for each of the countries, but there is no really like a european task force that you see every day in the television explaining that the situation for europe. so there could be more like a communication aspect and also acting together as a european community. and you have an answer to that question. i think it's very, very important because europe is, you know, it's a broad community. i would also see it is that if we get to just

servicing the back seat, it is really important that all the european countries, if not all the countries all over the world start working together and making sure that there is going to be a fair distribution because there is going to be countries, so don't have the money to buy enough vaccines and we, as the richer countries have to make sure that they will get some vaccine too. because if we don't act internationally, globally, we won't stop the pandemic and it will be brought back to us if we don't stop it all over. so we all have to work together. so i'm sure the, those are the questions to which you must have been addressing in your discussions is no, we really try to come to european way, at least in the sense that we exchange. so yesterday bioethics forum by national ethics committees of different countries from britain participated in particular. and we had mrs. will come from the european union and we discuss these issues. so it's really important to exchange on that and to come to

a common strategy. on the other hand, we all know how difficult it is, although we know what would be the best to get europe to act as one person asked. and one thing is, what are we discussing? and the other thing is, what are the national states willing to do? and that only time will show. but i think the aim is to come to a concerted action. and to be a skirt you were talking about the international aspects of all this. india and south africa believe have already come out and said that there should be no peyton's on, at least some of the vaccines that come out. so they can be locally manufactured. is that a realistic route to go down? it's a good suggestion, how realistic it is, is difficult to say because development of the vaccine, obviously cause a lot of money. and many taxpayers have paid a lot of money into the development of the drugs. so to release, to put the patent right away, obviously is a discussion that is important in terms of addressing the global aspect of the pandemic. i personally think it should be made available to these countries so they can develop them themselves. that's a very important aspect. but of course,

these companies say, hey, i developed this so please at least pay me my share that i have invested you know, think again, i'm interested in your contribution here because it is such a fundamental question. it's really a difficult ethical question because the taxpayers also invested into the development being easy solution. we have to do it this way or that way, but one thing is clear, we really need the whole world to participate. because take this example. it's like when you take antibiotics, a company found one part of your body because otherwise, once you stop taking it, it will come back. that bacteria, the disease will come back from that part. so we really depend on getting the whole world on board. it's not just an altruistic action, it's a real necessity. but how to achieve that with human personalities. we know how difficult it is in democracies and also not democracies to, to work together. we will see and we can just hope and continue to work on it. ok, well the normally cool, rational, consensual angle americal has pulled no punches in the debate over how to combat

the pandemic. here are a few words from the chancellor in a very reflective mood talk nevertheless, and i'm well aware of this, the measures restricting all contact are and remain an imposition of democratic positions. i have to say that implementing them was one of the most difficult decisions of my time in office to be talking about how she's been approaching the challenges of the pandemic. are you, are you with the chancellor so far because she's been viewed by very many people here in germany by a significant portion of people here in germany as too strict to taking too much control people's lives. i don't think that the measures are too strict if you go to other countries to much, much stricter we're actually in germany. so we can do things that other countries are not possible right now. to do important is the communication. and i think here

we have to communicate somewhat more regularly, not every week or every fall weeks. and new information is really talk to the people. explain what's going on, explain what will happen over the next months and what it means to have a vaccine. and what it means to actually distribute that, the vaccine to 50000000 people or more. so those communication things are very important. and so hopefully this will start soon. some of that was the word that you mentioned to be before the show when we were talking. that was your view. that was a major concern for you. communication. yes, no, that's really true because we in germany have been really well off compared to other countries. our infection rates are not this high, so people don't see how bad it can be. not everyone watches the international news . they haven't seen the lorries of transporting death people away in italy and so on. we haven't met this many people who have died from it ourselves right from, from copy. and so in that sense, it's really important that we get this communication across so that people really

understand why it's necessary. that's the problem and there's no glory in prevention. yes. if you don't, if you prevent something, then you don't see how bad it would have been. and everyone says, yeah, so what it wasn't as bad, but that's only because we took the right measures and i'm really concerned and hope we will continue to follow those rules. you and i have been here before would be revisiting of this terrible, 6 weeks ago, 8 weeks ago. i'm not sure we're talking about exactly the same problem about people who believe it's all a conspiracy. it's all made up by somebody you know, where is that going now is, is my sense is that that problem is becoming more grave for german politics becoming more influential in the debate. yeah, i mean, i think we have to see that it's still a small minority of people. we can't say it's the german public. that is really believing these things or not believing in the truth, but i also see it as it's becoming more. i think scientists even call that

emotional contagion. and i think that is something that is, that is dangerous, that people who are in a bad situation right now and maybe have fear is what their future is going to be like. and if they can exist with their, with their, with their job and everything. so it is dangerous that those people are going to find a way out in their head by believing those people that there is a conspiracy going on or something. so i think it is dangerous and we need to really communicate well in order not to get those people too loud to be the science and science. the world of science. how to deal here in germany because you've been working 16 hour days and there are people who say this and steve's missive, like many working very hard to including the medical staff and hospitals, scientists, those developing, the vaccines, the public health experts,

epidemiologists, journalists, are working very hard to, to deal with aspects of the pandemic and it's both a pleasure to work in this area. certainly it's my area. i'm an epidemiologist, but also it's very frustrating because we don't see a good solution happening next week. so it will, it will last for 4. while what i would like to add is that we see these protests, we see people ignoring or saying that pandemic is not true. the big part in the middle is not seen. and those are quiet just behaving the taking measures seriously to have some concerns about the not mentioned just because they think like, oh then people think i'm in that pocket that i'm like saying despondent is not true . so we have to also concentrate in this big middle part, and that's actually the part, but also the part that makes me optimistic. that's the part of working with all these measures. and likely those people will get the vaccine when available. people i'm grateful for all the good work that's being done here in germany. no,

i don't think so. it's just harder to see. i don't think people i'm grateful, but people are very sensitive to issues of fairness for example. so we need the communication to make clear that there isn't an unfair distribution of these restrictive measures, for example, across the population. and that there are reasons why it's now the restaurant schools. something that says communication is really important, but it has to be a said, the middle ground, i would say is with us in this with these rules, but you need to make sure that the fairness is there, and that's a difficult task. i'm not envying the politicians in getting that across when you're organization is involved in developing a moral compass for the politicians to give us a quick moral compass. we know we have taken small and big problems and we're discussing them with a group of $24.00 colleagues and then we try to come up with compromising

recommendations of how things could be handled where we took, in contrast to the politicians. we don't have the time the time to, to look at the situation from different angles. and perhaps that's richer than just the opinion of one person who will then act. but in the end, it's the politicians who have to decide it's a really cool job. i have to say that many, many interesting colleagues and, you know, you come in with a fixed opinion and then you think, oh, there's another facet which i didn't see. i think this is really important that we have an institution like that that we can afford it very, very positive. thank you very much for joining us. to the point is to show

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