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share and discuss song w. africa's facebook and other social media platforms crime fighter to me and now. you still think we are inferior why will the contradictory versions we are not saints but we definitely decent people is the you are also part of the plot just me or russia or whatever i say it doesn't matter to you you just don't listen less than 3 months ago i would say enough on the current figurehead of the russian opposition collapse from apparent poisoning on the flight between siberia and mosco german doctors who treated him later so if you ingested the nerve agent not the check the kremlin has denied any involvement accusing the west of monks in russophobia our guest this week for most go is really just love me come off a member of president putin's party united russia and the lawmaker in the lower
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house of parliament the duma why is it that those who speak loudest for the russian opposition run the risk of mortal danger. yet you still haven't you can offer welcome to conflict zone let's talk a bit we may 1st of all about the opposition figurehead elex a vile need who fell ill in august on an internal russian flight germany which ended up treating him said it was beyond doubt he was poisoned with one of the navi chalk class of nerve agents developed in the soviet union the kremlin denies any role in this if it wasn't them who do you think it was. well i have a medic questions about that actually i don't think much about now wildly anyway. i
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do remember angela davis she was one of the leaders of the american communist party back in the old soviet days and she was the most important american in the soviet union since she was the head of the commerce party of course no one in the united states knew anything about angela davis or not much so no vitally is an angela davis 1st place we have a russian electorate he's he's sorry we go out for we have our eyes of explorations and counter accusations about what happened to him mr putin apparently well as for the accusations i have i have actually i have a few questions to the german side. question number one what do you mean by the recheck what i know from those guys who worked on this guess it is a binary guess yes it is composed of 2 components to
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liquids each of which is not poisonous to them. of course if you drink a few leaders or one of those liquids you can get some stomach ache this is a problem it becomes a poisonous nerve gas capable of killing hundreds of thousands of people when these 2 components are combined by an explosion in a bomb with an economic boom could we just stay with our what happened could we just stay with what happened because we received a but will during barras of explanations in counter accusations mr putin told the man you are micro apparently that never found they may have poisoned himself the spokesman dmitri prescott of the president said he was working with the cia he didn't offer any proof on that and the head of your foreign intelligence service again that inciting so called in direct information said western security services
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had discussed the issue of a sacrificial victim from among the leaders of russian opposition so implying that it was the west that tried to bump him off again no proof of no facts no evidence but why will the contradictory versions coming from the russian side. well we do not have any worshippers at this point 1st of all would like to know what kind of you know poisoning substance was there we want to give us a formula you know what it was because we just don't know what you're talking about 1st place 2nd 2nd question you know when this. was poisoned and souls very they pretended it's a very serious stuff you know they covered half of the city with ribbons they killed cattle scruple who was allegedly the most dangerous creature on earth. they did a lot of noise about that when the vile me was brought into downtown berlin in
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the clinic. where no person was evacuated nobody so was he not dangerous or that was not navy chalk which is capable of killing hundreds and thousands of people so what happened why you are asking where are the 3 course of writing the wrong person or by have i have the 3rd question as well now while there's you know it was saved by the russian doctors and of course the doctors took all the samples now while his blood or whatever liquid they could find in his body you know we have pretty good doctors they were capable of saving there weren't any we have pretty good toxicologist we have pretty good specialists i'm nervous they can find anything in those substances in his blood this is for
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you to study it is here no was even interested in that so my feeling i don't there is no official worship of what happened in the way only you have it we don't have it because we don't have a case in order to start in some legal investigation knew to go to the court and present the evidence of an attempt on the person never we just have all these them then you just have a we have we have all learned that the only heard and so we can bring we don't have all the only people who can reasonably be bored is that for all murky and sad that he was that he was poisoned we don't have any evidence of that. russia's attorneys general's office made 5 requests to the to the german counterparts they got no request on the data. just request that they have data from the military i do not expect german military to be too sovereign of
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course that he was poisoned so i say this is to me it was this is all part of a dirty western conspiracy to blacken the name of russia or is it i don't know what it is just just ask questions to which i have no answers i mean said caleb ruff said we have every reason to believe that everything that happened to nadal in the as regards nerve agents may have happened in germany or on the plane which took him there why why should the west but why not why should the west bother to do that what you haven't got any evidence to suggest the where i don't i don't know why well there were many provocations against russia recently but. actually we do we do not have the facts of poisoning here in russia he was we found no trek trace of that you know nobody nobody was poisoned in a plane which was flying in the hotel know where his samples of his blood
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absolutely clean so when he got to germany for some reason they were they found something that means that something was not in russia it may be on the way maybe there i don't know why why would these crimes that the west is simply driven by russophobia why why should the west bother to try to blacken the north of russia are you such an attractive magnet to the youth of the world these days that western governments fear your international popularity is that it these days. well you know for beer is not something new it is it was not invented last week or last month actually in case of germany it started like 5 centuries ago. early in the 16th century can we just stay with the prize if you attempt and we just stay with the present. oh well we cannot stay with the
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present because we are living in a historic contests which is 5 at least 5 centuries of rousseau for beer in germany and in the west and so when it happens or something happens in russia there is of course an instinct to blame russia on anything or russia has a presumption of guilt in the eyes of the sizable part of the western public and of course of all the worst media it just just the case it has been 100 years ago 200 years ago 300 years ago even 400 years ago when there was no media but there was you know printed books and the russians russia itself is done and so now you know whatever i say whatever i say well. there is always some truth in propaganda otherwise it won't work. but as
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i look at the western propaganda that's becoming more and more substance less there is no substance in it. of course russia is is not you know. we are not saints but we are definitely decent people that's for sure the west also has a sort of superiority complex for centuries you guys thought that we were inferior it was also manifested in many theories concepts in nazi ideology and many other things and it continues you still think we are inferior you know better what is good for us you say your king as you say you do so you don't use an elite or any teachers you say you are decent people the pretty severe slam you say pretty severe beating of peaceful demonstrators on the streets of moscow last
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summer some of the last year didn't help your reputation either did it was that really necessary where the march is such a threat to the state that people had to be beaten women men. well actually i don't remember people being beaten him here in moscow but i saw some pictures from the streets of berlin recently. some 10 days ago there were huge crowds and there was a real beating something you can never see during demonstrations of russia these were really tough last week and we saw the pictures from the streets of paris oh come on this was a real bt for a whole year we see the pictures forest trees of portland oregon from washington d.c. from new york this is a really tough you know because you are what you are these days in kolkata to all
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allegations here and there but they also know that well lease is their police is always using the same methods but russian police is much more civilized than german french or american as a see it on television really really you're passing a lot of laws these days that make it harder for opposition figures to run in elections that was the cause of some of the demonstrations in moscow last year you prosecute plenty of people who demonstrate the deputy editor of commerce sun said the other day if you're going to become an independent politician or if you decide to protest against something you will understand that it's impossible to do this legally why have you shrunk the space for people to protest or to make their demands in public why is this a sign of insecurity actually actually this year actually this year is quite universal because of the covert 19 there are some limitations on protests as for
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the consequences for the people protesting in russia they're not as severe as say the united states or in germany now let's go back to the laws you passed last year there's been a clear tightening of the space for free expression march last year what us there's been a clear marching of the space for free express. and i was saying in march last year 2 bills went through parliament providing for heavy fines for anyone blatantly disrespecting the your thirty's or spreading what the authorities deem to be fake news are you happy with that firm smack of government because a lot of high officials weren't happy were that the prosecutor general had reservations the ministry of justice ministry of communications were you happy that these bills went through. well i don't think that any regulations on demonstrations in russia are tougher than in your country 1st
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place. we study or all the international regulations or the laws passed on this substance. on that issue in every single country the russian is one of the mildest. first place 2nd what i do in the duma i represent the interests of my electorate i would never vote for a bill except in very rare instances which would not be supported by at least 3 fourths of my electorate my constituency. this these laws of course were very popular in said russia because it protected public safety . the freedom of one person where freedom of another person begins and for that the regulation of demonstration has been passed in every single country in
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russia this regulation is pretty modest that of your human rights conscious the head of your human rights council me carfare daughter of said that arresting people for disrespecting the earth already is violated freedom of speech it's a big step backwards isn't it is not doing much for your party's approval rating according to the c.i. o.m. the state pollster your party is currently at just 31 percent approval so all the people you say are backing your laws don't think much of your party's performance these days do they. while speaking about the ratings or the parties ok 35 percent of those who decided for them or for those for which party they're going to vote that means over 50 percent of of the electorate and now we have quite a structured electoral system with more than 50 percent supporting the united russia. with like 15 to 20 percent supporting the communists the same for the
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nationalists like 10 percent 4 for the socialists and less than 10 percent for the liberals who are which are too liberal to unite if they lose the elections if they are not popular it's their fault they cannot unite you cannot provide a gender they cannot position themselves as a russian political force is not by any cannot present himself as a russian politician he is much more popular in germany than he is he is in russia his rating never exceeded 2 percent and i think whatever when israel. and a russian as well as for 20 baron as far as his rating is 20 percent at the moment or we are in that of course or of course but i'm not going to tell you. the there is no such independent poorly and cannot be you know my constituency is not
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in moscow it's in usually in orbit i never met a single person not a single person who would ever support nobody who would ever ask a question. i ask a question about him or the kind of question you ask because that is something of a non issue in the russian federation you ask the question which are of course part of the russian compete for sure you support the politicians whom you like and who are nothing for russia as i said is an angela davis for russia well i know the saying if you don't mind them i like else one has only has one has more. it's not a question of whether and ask for the opinion of or of the human human rights whoever any person in russia you know they may have their own opinion and express it freely as well as as well as mr in that while they can express his
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opinion i also mentioned is that president my meaning you mention has been around the again the un has repeatedly flagged up the incidents of violent crimes in russia targeting political opponents is the un also part of the plot to smear russia do you think. you know. politics is a difficult profession sometimes is dangerous we've got quite a few members of the duma killed yes. some of them were not opponents of the regime for at all you know that happens in america they killed a few presidents you know it happens yes we did but you know whatever happens in russia it is the government's fault. politicians have killed oh it's the government it's the russian government when you say how come. then on your side there is a cognitive dissonance you just cannot cannot understand you know in general
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sometimes you're just talking to the wall in the west so you're a much misunderstood writer is not evil there is a cognitive dissonance and also russia is evil of course it is because for 5 centuries we were told that they use evil going to be not evil this only kind of is the name of the only and always as i have said we have a presumption of guilt which is which is in your eyes mr nikonov in august 2800 the un committee against torture in which you currently have a representative complained about what it called the lack of the fast effective investigation into the killings of anna politkovskaya and natalya estemirova and express can turn that concern at reported cases of her recent abduction arbitrary detention torture ill treatment and killings of human rights defenders lawyers journalists and political opponents in russia. but you don't share the un's concern
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about that do you you think they just made it up you think ask one more smear of russia. well. i've heard of some instances which may be considered to be wrong investigation but investigations are doing investigators are doing the best. of in any case whether it's wherever he doesn't matter who who gets murdered you know most of by the way most of the cases of political murders and russia have been investigated and. as you may know many people already are in jail in many cases including himself and others. so there are political killings all over the world you know some of them are absolutely. the tourists like. for example.
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you remember this saudi journalist from from the washington police can we stay with russia can we stay with this is a really really bad you know there are some some politicians are also we are living in the world you know where bad things are happening americans by the way killed over a 1000000 people in the rock over a 1000000 they killed 5000000 people when we don't try merica what americas they got. for him you know 100000 people in afghanistan conference and thousands of people millions of people mr nikonov do investigators cases yeah do you investigate their cases you know we cover their ass and we ourselves can question all right and we ask the same questions of everybody what about torture tortures what about torture isn't guantanamo yes yes what about torture is another great
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mystery we prosecute those people mr nikonov according to the u.n. russia has been spreading venti of fear in crimea since you annex not in 2014 that report by the committee against torture in 2018 noted persistent human rights violations that including abductions arbitrary detentions enforced disappearances torture ill treatment extra judicial killings proud record or just one more slow on moscow's reputation. well 1st of all what do you mean by the united nations committee against short chose to meet an organisation of what of i spent on country again 93 countries the decision of the security council are the decisions of the united nations and that is what the united nations is about is the decisions of the security council and all the general assembly you signed their outlook on the board on group as it events are very scary and since
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inside inside the united nations there are many organisations which are actually secretariat's and western clubs close clubs composed of mostly western diplomats human rights activists and so on and so forth you have a representative on the numerous and your man who know the number is out of mind all reports on this can you know we have this same reports on almost every country . we can present them you know and producing those reports is a profession for many many people here lee abductions are going to tell you the only real it is a real it is torture ill treatment extradition feeling well you know i don't want amenities or for this appearance of people in ukraine for example russia itself to listen was ability to rebel crimea for these things going on in crimea is not what all running really absolutely russia is absolutely responsible for the crime ear
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there is law and order there and there are no laws what or into the you are not the qualities of your religion against torture not according to the government are part of that means they are producing fake information as all or very often the case but again whatever i say it doesn't matter to you you just don't listen to me because that for you is a cognitive dissonance you assure that is true you know but when i say that it is not true so how come there is a u.n. commission on torture which as a group of you know of whom and you know that you read and you visit and you've investigated all those allegations have you telling me it's not true. of course whatever allegation whatever crime is investigated in russia every instance so that unfortunately this does not happen in ukraine where many many people disappeared you know and no one ever cared about no united nations
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commission. no c.n.n. no human rights commission of the council of europe whatever they were not interested in that but when they have a rumor of someone tortured in the crowd here you know. that there is a big case in my mind it's a fake i don't know anything i have very well i visit many times i know what happened there there were really threats to the people before that but the situation in the crimea including the crimean tatars is much better than it used to be and we're not it we ran out of time to these charges are in the public sphere and this is my was my opportunity to put them to you we have your honour's thank you thank you very much for being on the program and giving us your views.
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