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pope francis has set out to herald a new era for the catholic church. an era of transparency. now he has opened the vatican archives and given access to past the twelve's files one of the most controversial pontiffs in history. pius the 12th remained silent as millions of jews were killed by the nazi regime. because of his silence some called him hitler's pope. but others pius the 12th was a saint who secretly saved the lives of thousands of jews finally the vatican files about past the 12 are fully accessible and can shed new light on his silence during the holocaust the time for truth has come.
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rome 2nd of march 2020. on this day the documents from the papacy of pius the 12th were declassified. millions of files from 939958 kept secret in the vatican for decades. are finally accessible to researchers and historians. german historian who would voice was one of the 1st to look at the documents. this appears to us i live in a tradition that in the 1st thing that everyone naturally associates with the vatican secret archives as a war is of course dan brown's novel. some kind of hermetically sealed glass cubes
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in which archivists regulate the oxygen supply from outside a can absolute nonsense the vatican archive is not kind of like any other. obvious ones it's once again although we have actually been working regularly and the vatican archives are printed years now on because it was of course something special and are going to because one simply has a whole range of questions of the pops from the what did the pope know about the mass murder of jews when he had seen in 4 who informed him had it if you believe what he was told the busy he didn't. hope francis had announced this decision one year earlier. occasion and not all of the less holy and. it would give him out of the pew and in you might be your queen on the stage of illusion then maybe that is holding up roy your feet or your
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leadership at any rate about him or you know mentality. and their god merely is director of the vatican news outlet and one of them him closest to the holy father. according to him this decision reveals francis his commitment to a transparent church. like yours or a boulder that i really doubt the church does not fear the truth because pope francis holds firm to this principle story from a bit let us also consider the great scandal the struggle against abuse he has insisted that there be full transparency by me and his decision to open the archives can be seen in this light. since his election pope francis his mission has been to restore credibility. to an
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institution suffering from sexual and financial scandals. pope francis's choice was to open the doors of the church. there should be no more room for secrecy in the vatican. even inconvenient truths have to be confronted in public. the opening of the archives was big news as pies the 12th is still a matter of heated discussion between catholics and jews across the world.
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from pop pope francis' decision to open the so-called secret files of pope pius the 12th is certainly an encouraging sign. how stalk him now for counts be learnt. than later one can revisit the question of a possible beatification and then jointly recognize yes this was a man who really did do all that he could or did come that he was a pope who perhaps could have done more or done things differently should have acted or could have acted differently zoran. i asked the 12th reputation started to become controversial in the 1960 s. when a theater play the deputy exposed the pope's silence to ensure the holocaust. as international protests broke out then poke holes a 6th decided to make thousands of documents from the 2nd world war period public.
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for many historians though this collection was incomplete. and pious the 12th has remained a mystery. pius the 12th was born in $876.00 under the name. at the age of 23 he entered the priesthood. after rising swiftly in the curia in 1917 but chile became the pope's ambassador in munich. church historian stefan some ascii studied the exchange of letters between the vatican also known as the holy sea and its representatives in germany. many of these letters were written by the future pius the 12th. came to bavaria he obviously came to a catholic state and he was welcomed very joyfully and warmly as if. however the
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political situation was the end of 1900 beginning of 1901 exactly what the celli did not want. in 1918 the 1st world war came to an end defeated the german empire collapsed and that made the turmoil the socialists tried to seize power the situation was particularly tense in munich with a chilly lived the socialist republic was proclaimed its direct he was directly attacked by representatives of the socialist republic and munich they came to the vatican embassy and wanted to confiscate his car schlock know. communities most he knew about communism from his studies he knew that communism is not compatible with catholic teachings but above all he knew communism from this experience in munich they put
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a gun to my head my life was in danger and they created total chaos and used. in 125 cheli was transferred to berlin. in the capital you negotiated a contract on relations between. state and church with the german government and rice concord. was a stadium puppets and guns noise suddenly it was a whole new political system and what had been a monarchy now became a republic context and in this context the relationship between church and state had to be completely reorganized noise is concerned holiday regulations university youth training of priests was feared own as it touched all areas that had to be regulated between church and state.
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father complete probably one of the few living witnesses who has personal memories of time in germany as. it didn't show groom him i personally met the future pope pius the 12th for the 1st time when i was very young well when i was 6 or 7 years old looks to me to be exchanged a few words with me later i got to know him and i noticed that an aura of spirituality when i did from him that i had never seen with other people like him midge i dealt with other pope's 2 private audiences with all the 6th john paul the 2nd and john the 2030 dollars and so on john and they were all great men and important personalities and good people but i must honestly say that nobody made such an impression on me as pious the 12th george and i become of g.p.s. has lived. for many years father complete advocated for the beatification of pius
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the 12th in the course of this process he had a unique opportunity to look at the secret documents in the vatican archives as well and i was sure in those days during the 2nd world war thousands of letters arrived at the vatican they were answered whenever possible. he was not someone who made easy choices it was before making a decision people always wanted to study a problem from all sides so as not to make a mistake so he was careful and that was right that's good as is course. the process of making past the 12 percent was started in 1965 all that is missing to finalize it is proof of the miraculous healing as required by the regulations. pope francis has announced that the process is on hold. electro said it is
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in my up at. the it was time for mantle. and cora known. as for me. meant energy and i mean that but you know. if there mentally no. an even bigger obstacle to pass the 12th beatification is the control over his relationship with the nazi regime. this began in the 1930 s. back then a tele was appointed state secretary the most powerful man in the vatican after the pope. at the same time germany was witnessing the rise of the national socialist party and its
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leader at all for hitler. again you patil levi 1st eugénie your peccerelli knew nothing about hitler even wrote to his colleague the vatican ambassador in vienna he asked him for information about the hitler youth and he looked a certain hitler at if he also never met hitler in person back then he did not see hadleigh as a great danger. cause if you fast. in january 933 hitler became german chancellor. just one month later after the burning of the price tag the persecution of german jews began. in april a jewish woman named edith stein botha letter to the pope that historians found in the vatican archives years ago. it is time i needed stein
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a jewish woman with an advanced philosophical education turned to the pope with an urgent request with an opening in a bitter. she asked him to speak out publicly and loudly against the persecution of the jews and therefore we should keep in mind that edith stein was jewish and she had converted to catholicism is think of it it is we now know from a cellist note that this letter from edith stein was actually presented to the pope these will be if they did standing perhaps will be fully focused. on. you or. all of us who are faithful children of the church and who look at the conditions in germany with open eyes feel the worst for the reputation of the church if this silence lasts much longer.
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and i'm told. do i need to share and then there was a reply which is actually embarrassing. it's up but shelley road to the arch abbott who had presented the letter to the holy father father of. he had seen it and offered his encouragement and gave the papal blessing want. but our request no mention. in hardly needs. a historian at their core forces in rome is researching the relationship between jews and catholics at that time nina the brewski report the object if one wanted but she really did do some good but chile's main concern was the protection of the catholics and the catholic church in a nazi germany for the vatican jewish problems were not a priority. so when there. today pope francis is
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received with open arms by the jewish community. as his predecessors have done before him francis calls the jewish people older brothers. in this to. the. scene where they've never. given me anything. for. him using. the bishop of effort was appointed by the german conference of bishops to improve relationships between catholics and jews according to him in the 1930 s. many in the catholic clergy were not immune to anti semitism you know present government skin we have to assume that in the thirty's and probably most catholics
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were guided by the principle that jews did not recognize the messiah let's go to you wouldn't have ended with the allegation that they were responsible for jesus's death on the cross was also common chords as to and we know that there were many sermons that repeated this. and these as in how it's the given part. determined to gain the majority in parliament hitler tried to secure the support of the catholics. out of a deal with even a biden rethink about a dollar a week if the back door got out all about a pope but. shortly afterwards hitler offered the vatican the agreement on which but cheli had been working since the 1920 s. the concord and. the vatican accepted.
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himself signed the pact with a future of fear around. is what i wanted to lose all of course that was a huge triumph for hitler because his regime was not trusted by the rest of the world it. and the 1st international treaty hitler ever made was a treaty with the holy see if a cockney to hide so if the ultimate moral authority the holy see makes a treaty with this regime then other countries can legitimately do it as well. for years earlier in 1929 the vatican had already signed a similar agreement with fascist italy and its dictator benito mussolini was a blessing of a large part of the local clergy. diplomatic relations between the holy see and fascist regimes other field of expertise as
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professor my tale luigi a police. chief would not be like. this your only the majority of the italian clergy supported the fascist regime for she's the. equivocal mclaren. but i think any priests could fall for their country in their youth when they got their model and felt like a patriotic priests. to. write the part of the article. also at that time many of the catholic clergy saw fascism as a lesser evil in comparison to the real enemy communism. an atheist ideology that promised to overthrow the social system which the church had been representing for centuries. the facts of reality fresh they realized quite quickly how the situation in soviet russia escalated.
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persecutions of the clergy occurred in that area not only the orthodox church was persecuted before its priests the priests were arrested void churches were closed because the faithful were harassed and church prop. he was confiscated that this also happened to the catholic church dishwasher. however as hitler gained more control over the german population he also began to target the church the fewer wanted to impose naziism as the only national religion . hitler grew up in a catholic environment in austria and paid church taxes until he died in fact he even took inspiration from catholicism for nazi symbols and rituals. it was 1st you know fundies of he was fascinated by this hierarchical structure of the catholic church will perhaps at the top the pope and on the other side the future is at the
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top well he had a certain fascination with the church but in fact he had nothing at all to do with it it was a church it was his opponent. over the years the catholic bishops of germany increasingly rejected nazi policies there were protests. isc up and there was a clear rejection of national socialism was in this was essentially a rejection of racism as the sum of euthanasia. and also the attempt to build a new nazi religion but in fresno and annoy you and it's not so large as those most of to bone. was on us but the dish of mr clemens one garland was particularly important in this regard because he protested very strongly against euthanasia is also strongly that the national socialists ended
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this policy in the town. one gallon and the other german bishops denounced violations of the concord and asked the vatican for an official protest. or you sure wouldn't hoped you wouldn't the fact catholic schools were no longer allowed aboard as they were actually closed even though it was a breach of the concord a there was no more pastoral care in prisons. only military chaplaincy continue to exist when the agreements were simply suspended well they were not implemented and there was no point was that it was not effective to invoke the terms of the concord act the that did not achieve anything. else that needs perfect. pope pius the 11th wrote a letter to the german faithful and in cyclical that was raised in old german touches on palm sunday in 1937.
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as it was going east denominate called the encyclical it was originally called with great concern i just want to make it clear that the holy see was concerned about the situation this persecution of the catholic church in germany voted on this title was then personally changed by put shelley who made it a bit sharper and he chose a stronger adjective on the burning of anons so the title began with burning concern to emphasize once again how seriously the holy see was taking the situation in germany. that is something to the nazis were outraged companies because they only found out about it after this text was read out from all the pulpits in all the german churches at 9 o'clock in the morning extra less involved. but this and cyclical have no lasting effect. i cannot say that this was
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a change in the tactics of the struggle becomes 2 i would say it was like a flash in the pan so it didn't go any further it was get done with my to. pass the 11 actually wrote a musical to condemn the anti semitic laws enacted by hitler and mussolini but this letter was never published and it is unclear if a chile stopped publication. a mystery that can be solved only once the research in the vatican archives is completed. in february 939 is the 11th died and but shelley was elected to some peter's throne . was. he chose for himself the name of pius the 12th in the march to his predecessor.
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by channeling when a cheli who was elected pope. he was very concerned most of the bottle shoulders the more the son in law goliad so china gave us evidence of this. look at the german his reaction is also interesting and no less disturbing new minnow broke apart. from germany ice ice cold silence they made it clear you are not our poll if we are not necessarily happy you would have become pop ups just. as the 12th had been elected pope only 6 months before hitler ordered the invasion of poland and the 2nd world war broke out only to look back. at the pope as head of the vatican a micro state without an army me that hardly had the means to really oppose hitler . the vatican could use the. clemency and charity diplomacy is one action.
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for biographers of pius the 12th the 2nd world war period remains a mystery. many questions are still unanswered. first when did the pope find out about the extermination of the jews. for one week professor vall of and his team were able to search the archives for an answer to this question. then the corona crisis broke out and the research had to be interrupted but in that 1st week they found documents that offer a revealing insight. in the summer of 942 us president roosevelt received a letter from a jewish agency containing information on the mass murder of jews in poland and ukraine. the liquidation of the warsaw ghetto is underway without
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any distinction all jews are led away from the ghetto in groups and short their bodies are used to make fat and their bones to produce fertilizer however the mass executions do not take place in warsaw or itself but in camps specially prepared for this purpose. a white house on voyage reached out to the vatican asking for the pope's evaluation he wanted to know if the vatican had already received similar information and this powers the 12th would agree to take part in a joint protest. to how to. fly in from the holy sea i actually had 2 pieces of information some for the 1st piece of information came from count betty who had been travelling in ukraine to a concert when he returned he told one teeny the future pope all the sex about the
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horrors he had seen their daughter what the germans were doing to the jews argument had vastly dodging them you would. mind its widest demand they had a 2nd and more important report from a unified catholic archbishop and metropolitan from of a of limbo like who confirmed exactly what the jewish organization said unity organ is that xians are so the vatican could actually have answered yes i can confirm that the report is reliable did he do it lensed he couldn't view but they didn't they said yes we have also heard these things but we are not able to verify the truth of these statements it is always like new people who feel. why did the vatican give such an answer. the missing piece of the puzzle is perhaps in a recently discovered document a note from a close advisor to the pope once in you angelo della. of the loch or road can the american request is crucial. if the information is correct
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and. then comes a terrible sentence forced by the thoughts can you believe jews can always exaggerate followed by the recommendation let's remain politically cautious because if we speak out we take sides and we should be nonpartizan. this note helps us to understand why post the 12th remained silent and did not take part in the allies join to protest against the mass murder of jews. this is documented. guitar not involved of course this document alone does not give a reliable answer to the question of what the pope did and why he did it here vulcan because we need a thorough review of all the material in order to be able to give an overall judgment on that anything else would not be credible very nice but the fact that after one week we have already found such
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a key piece of information besides i means that we have to take a closer look at all the sources it's a shoulder to concentrate and you know on. this document must albums of his duties after blows you blow this document however makes one element more plausible in for me in it shows that the pope was informed about the true extent of the holocaust in autumn 1942. fundies of it shows us that he knew of this american request to confirm these figures to have it again that's identity time he did not do so what am i although he had his own sources. these i mean crazy because these sources were not considered reliable by the pope infant and the cardinal secretary of state. probably because dellacqua made them look ludicrous by their lack of isolationalist him after that. hires only broke his silence at the christmas
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mass in 1942. on that occasion he condemned all racial persecution without any specific reference to jews. when. they brought it up if. you want if you got the right you know you're right it. won't be britney. can use monsoor and he's the 12 mentioned those who suffered those who are persecuted and those who suffered in her or because of their nationality religion or origin know the song some. he use the italian term still pick which does not mean race but describes a line of descent you in other words he spoke with rudely without referring to jews in particular. since the beginning of the war the pope had
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received letters from jews in various countries all of whom pleaded for help they all described the same atrocities. we humbly ask you that you might be so good as to ask his holiness to appeal to the catholic clergy in slovakia to use its influence to stop the terrible deportations immediately. we know exactly how we will die. crammed in on the barbed wire mass graves we dig ourselves children thrown in alive the adults stripped naked battered with a club. and into the grave a few bullets fired as an afterthought. escaped. there are an incredible number i say thousands of letters from jewish people to the pope. might be trees are often petitions just petitions that say
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we are in this or that terrible situation to what can you help us to get out just as the pubs in other words call the pope did not just see the holocaust in the abstract numbers but also in very precise individual stories when it's taught us we'll not to list after one week we have only found these letters of petition. but we do not yet know how the holy see reacted in some cases we have found the petition and the refusal and there were no further developments in other cases the holy see tried to help and did help if not to have. this isn't god this is a very large subject and perhaps the most important in the whole archive isn't as you bill hoped. in 1943 the wall reached the gates of the vatican. when rome was heavily bombed by the
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allies as the 12th left the vatican to pray among the ruins. shortly after mostly nice regime collapsed and hitler's troops entered italy. rome 2 fell under nazi occupation. the s.s. even made it to some peter's square. and on the 16th of october $943.00 after a raid in the jewish ghetto $1024.00 roman jews with a quarter to auschwitz. only 16 of them came back. the opening of the archive finally sheds new light on what is the 12th did to protect the jews and what he did not to. be about afghanistan i can figure on his
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all traditionally the pope has always protected the roman jews no harm if it's immoral are you not but during the deportation on october the 16th $943.00 the pope did not utter a word of protest the said the prophet stone if you do harm mike young actresses are dumb you have sunk on top you know by not that he did not intervene to stop this deportation for auditing so they brought us from. even into work you can actually try to act on differ. levels. to start with of he reached out to the german reich some bastard that had the holy say in hiding it would have died 2nd itself to tell him that he stood up for the jews and that vied 2nd should do everything possible to prevent the jews in rome from being persecuted
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in the domain of the pope and you wouldn't in the whole mean only bottom bit the 2nd thing for is that he asked to check which monasteries which churches list which church institutions were structurally capable of offering shelter to the jews since august so they could effectively hide in their power that happened in papal buildings as well as in many religious orders to sealed steven king boyden by feeding odin. it is the 3rd thing did not take place there was no public protest of protest. we saw it is important to remember that there were about 10000 jews in rome but you bury it all at 20 percent of them were placed in vatican institutions for example in the pope's summer residence in castle gandolfo vienna or speak out all institute
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a vatican it has to do about going to battle because they're going for with what she got this is what the vatican documents tell us call it down just as it would surely. according to one of these documents stored in the yad vashem memorial in israel $4715.00 jews found shelter in the vatican and other catholic institutes during the german occupation of rome. for the chief rabbi of rome. the pope could have done more he could have saved all the roman jews from being deported. she was ordered to be according to your may know there was a kind of silent agreement. it is general that the germans would not carry out such
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an operation again. or stand up for. the news days or not it was very low but what had already happened was ignored. chip could result of out a little bit of a difference as it is that that is unfortunately the reality is that segment there was a discourse and fountains of innocent people were taken to auschwitz immediately. there is a loss that the auschwitz. she's all done there are many ways for a pope to make himself heard and he said it always did and if he had said that the jews should not be touched or for that it would have been enough to cause a diplomatic crisis in the global. north just like we also need to take into account the position that person health facility vision of what i would suppose if a person is the moral head of a community that that person must behave accordingly when they've got hold of it was this moral behavior. that is the question we need to find an answer to.
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don't over present only views through other church representatives spoke out. for example the archbishop of to lose all senior style years who publicly denounced the deportations in the summer of $942.00 causing the vishy government to slow them down considerably so there is one example and the more how long are livid with us from oklahoma example. confound them degrees when a clergyman spoke out in public and explicitly denounced anti-semitism and the deportations it had an impact in that specific case were backed. up caught in a dilemma between silence and denunciation pious opted for the play missy. he wanted to act in silence. this attitude of the 12 may be due to what had happened in the netherlands in 1942. there the
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bishops protest had led to a greater number of deportations. among the victims was the nun edith stein. the converted jewish woman who had appealed to the pope in vain in 1933. in 1998 she was made a saint by john paul the 2nd. you measure a 1000000 baggage and i mean. we're really our idea of leisure to call out. all you know about the use of the you know love. in the father's your brother the. 'd only mediator than
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a little basket. or. in a. 1000000000 dollar there will. in 1944 the allies took grown. past the 12th celebrated the end of the german occupation. a year later the 1st pictures from the death camps were published yet even then pius remained silent about the holocaust. why the archives of the vatican might also provide insight into this. pope francis knows how important the past is for the present the church must learn from its errors and examine the consequences of its actions as well as of its
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silence. this kid our home put it on too much we must stand for what is right and at the same time it speak up when something is not compatible with christian values the year we enter the winds of a good it is important to properly defend the values that hold our society together and to ensure that the majority of it is not silent as the. mayor. over the next few years this story ends work will hopefully bring clarity to the figure of christ the 12th but one thing is certain the church has learned there is no alternative to transparency.
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