political correspondent holmes how prepared is germany for this rollout. the minister said earlier this week that germany was just waiting for the vaccine to be delivered and where everything was ready to go there are about 400 vaccination centers that have been set up across the country because these acts initials are taking place in central institutions set up for instance in tall holes bolt holes or exhibition holes because it's such a large number of vaccinations that have to be done quickly and to because the vaccine needs special treatment that are partly because it is cooled down to such a large degree minus 70 degrees centigrade the fact of the matter is that there are certain regions in germany that aren't quite as well prepared yet that will need an extra couple of weeks probably so there they vaccinations will start in early january in general however things are set up and as such the vaccine that house for arrival even though a virus infection here in germany are surging health minister today sounded hopeful

let's take another listen to what he had to. cite mathieson to keep living with this virus but as for today also means this is now. when fresh vaccine supplies can be delivered and that will happen gradually in the coming weeks and if new vaccines are approved which i believe they will they will be i would to protect many more germans mention open door trant should some current. is there any indication of how long it will take for enough people to be vaccinated so going past that 1st phase which will roll out from december 27th but into a phase where it will be able to resume sort of some semblance of normality. obviously that's what everybody is hoping for it's not a question just of how much vaccine is available it's also a question of how many people are eventually vaccinated scientists calculate that you need about 60 or 70 percent of a population to be vaccinated to be immune to the virus for the virus or longer to

have a chance to spread so that's a matter of logistics of how quickly one can vaccinate that many people it's also a question of how many people in fact are prepared to have themselves vaccinated and that is a very open question there are skeptics also in germany of saying that they would prefer to wait with x. and oceans or not to be vaccinated at all charles i'm going to medical said earlier this week that if not. 60 or 70 percent of people would not get vaccinated if there were too many skeptics then we would end up wearing masks for a very long time. well a tentative light at the end of the tunnel and hardly the situation in german hospitals easy creasing we die yet germany has allowed for a slight easing easing of rules over the christmas period which will undoubtedly have a knock on effect why have they allowed for that i think it's always a way of what people would lie go for the precious coming from the

population wanting to celebrate christmas wanting to be together with their families and at the center on the question of the pressure on health systems available if you have vaccines so i think that was a an attempt at the balancing act of that vaccines and i've become available around all which will lead to some sort of initial relief let's say and at the same the time the risk that from christmas gatherings further infections will spread but i think it is a risk that the government is taking and most experts are warning that it is a risk that should not have been taken. while holmes. thanks for the update. it's maine while the u.s. has moved closer to approving a 2nd covert 19 vaccine after an independent panel of experts indoors the shot made by pharmaceutical company. the decision paves the way for the f.d.a. to approve emergency use of the vaccine the u.s.

has already started its mass immunization with a covert back saying by violent take. you under pressure to follow suit said it would speed up its approval of the madonna back saying that decisions now expected on january 6th. take a look at the other latest global developments in the pandemic china is planning to vaccinate 15000000 high risk people before the start of its lunar new year at least for chinese made vaccines are in phase 3 testing. a study in singapore suggests pregnant women with covert 19 don't get more ill than the wider population the study also found that babies born to infected mothers have antibodies against the virus and officials in australia have declared sydney's northern beaches a coronavirus hotspot $21.00 bitches will be closed because of a spike in cases sydney residents are being urged to stay at home. let's turn now to some other stories making news around the world cyber security officials in the

u.s. have warned the government is a quote grave risk from hack is the warning follows revelations that the agency responsible for the country's nuclear weapons stockpile was among those targeted since march this year many suspect russia is behind the attacks moscow denies the claims. the u.n. secretary general antonio terrace has addressed the german born this time today telling lawmakers the covert 19 vaccine could be affordable and accessible should be affordable and accessible to everyone tara she also praised germany's response to the pandemic his speech as part of an anniversary event to mark 75 years since the un's founding. the pandemic has led to a rise in mental health problems among migrants stuck in camps in grace that's according to a study by the international rescue committee b i r c some 15000 people at current is stuck in overcrowded reception centers on great islands squalid conditions and night worse by lockdowns imposed because of the

virus the i os a study found that additional restrictions in movement have worsened symptoms in a range of psychological disorders among the migrants. main while the number of refugees worldwide keeps growing this year the un counted a total of nearly 18000000 refugees world wide an increase of some 10000000 on last year and many of those people have been living as refugees for much if not all of their lives we have this report from lebanon. every morning the mood cleans the source out of this rusty oil oven it runs old so that her children kept up by the cold with temperatures dropping close to 0 degrees celsius meanwhile father for turf is desperately trying to insulate the shark. it's miserable we don't have proper schools here nothing to do at night i huddled

the kids close together so that they keep warm we don't even have warm clothing for them. it's set to be the harshest winter for the family yet not just due to the cold nearly 10 years ago they left aleppo fleeing syria's civil war since then their lives have been devoid of prospects but it has never been this bad. image of barely any jobs left for us everything has gotten worse and. almost 90 percent of refugees here now live in what is considered extreme poverty and the coronavirus has arrived at the camp but mosques are in short supply. kidnapper had to move everyone here is afraid and worried my father in syria has just died of coronavirus 3 days ago. the explosion at the beirut harbor an organist was the catalyst for a wider crisis 200 people died 7000 were injured and 300000 made

homeless the already teetering economy crushed completely and that has affected the willingness to support around 1000000 refugees in the small country. there are a burden on lebanon and any other country they live in they should go back oh. they need to go back lebanon is in a huge crisis we also don't have jobs and money for food there is nothing nice and nothing about the un so for those sentiments off felt in the bekaa valley many syrians here are afraid of being attacked and are scared to leave the camps at night. which it's awful after 5 pm i don't go out even not to the pharmacy or the market. looking. for most people here a return to syria is unthinkable. house is destroyed and he fears being arrested

his name is on the regime's wanted list and so he'd rather stay here than risk being put into a torture prison. joining us for more from the bekaa valley on the syrian border went up to la he's with the aid organization and narrow that what works with refugees in lebanon as well as with other come in other countries in the region. how has the coronavirus pandemic impacted refugees in lebanon. oh because well actually the. virus has impacted everyone who worldwide comes to refugees we're talking about access to books to public services and even access to proper food or access to the streets especially with all the lock downs and the curfew for the center and this is this is kind of like putting more pressure on the refugees in the car and what about specifically with your organization has

a pain hampered by the pandemic is it making hot of you to work with the refugees you might need help the most. actually without especially this year most of our projects have been targeting the cause of 1000 interventions through our construction projects cooking suing the masks we actually all over the normal and because we produced more than 1000000 through our vocational students 1000000 masks for the students and school and even masks for the refugees in the camps after that we also focusing a lot on looking for humanitarian purposes so we had like a specific thing that. had struck there's a we're actually working with us to produce food for comfort 1000 patients i'm talking about hundreds of thousands and thousands of family needs of who they were distributed of course you have to also look at we took into consideration the domestic violence that has increased due to the lockdown and we even had like specific courses for gender based violence where we talk to students on one of the

question of love it how to do that preserved foods that can help them on the long run specially that the the mock downs that we have looked at now to lock balance and almost maybe there's another one so we help them a lot and in this manner throughout the gulf for work programs that are get implemented over our programs through our what we call them like the multidimensional that you cation unemployability package that's funded by unicef lots of positive sounding programs that we know that into poverty is that having an effect on the sentiment towards largely syrian refugees in the country. well the economic situation we're going to basically is affecting everyone. talking about this thing or syria or the big. 3 want to look about there's this sentiment you can come up with it does increase or decrease its own prices that instant everyone and it's affecting everyone where the deterioration of their living style and the reason the dollar and the inflation so you cannot trust that there's that

it's specific sentiment against refugees but everybody is affected you know working with their nationality is i'm afraid of dollar organization and thank you very much for your time. but thank you rebecca. british and e.u. leaders have turned pessimistic over the likelihood of finding a post breaks a trade deal british prime minister bars johnson says the chance of a no deal outcome in last minute talks now looks very likely he's been locked in discussions with the european commission president. says overcoming remaining differences will be a huge challenge the european parliament has set a sunday deadline for an agreement. some affects of britain's exit from the e.u. are already being felt many doctors and nurses from e.u. countries have been leaving the u.k. and they're proving hard to replace quickly even if it does rain a bit too much luigi donofrio has grow to love london needs

a place where you can really integrate people from all over the ward by the old together and this is amazing i just worked as a nurse in south london for 6 years and has become a head nurse but now he's going back to his family in northern city since aggressive referendum he feels neglected by the british government as an e.u. citizen and that his work during the pandemic has gone and appreciated. our voice has never been heard. and we've never been on the rada even during the last year we supported u.k. in many different ways but i've never seen much a person appreciation would never been on the rada. as for all other e.u. citizens in the future doctors and nurses will need a visa if they want to work in the u.k. already far fewer are entering now than did before breaks it the coronavirus

pandemic has exposed deve flaws in the u.k. health service amongst them a shortage of stuff so every year doctor nurse of cal worker that goes back to their home country needs a cap on the hospital ward or in the cowherd. everything that i think about right siegel run several nursing homes in norfolk in eastern england he often discusses with his team how to cope with staff shortages since the brags of referendum it has been nearly impossible for him to find qualified workers. who will 120 stalls. we are now down to 98 permanent staff and the rest is made up of agency staff and where we had for approximately 20 odd european nationals we're down to one or 2. from portugal as to so remaining e.u. work job is hard minimum wage with lots of overtime either black city if.

people can come and we'll be. back and to without getting us i think how can we take out of all this people. the elderly people whom she cares for have become like family to maria in spite of brags that she wants to stay in britain for the time being but most of her friends have already gone back home. take a look at some stories making news now bitcoin has risen to another record high topping $23000.00 u.s. dollars the value of the virtual currency has rocketed this year this could be a boon for platforms like coin base which applied on thursday to go public it would be the 1st big american crypto exchange to list on the stock market. a heavy snow storm in japan has left thousands of vehicles stranded on a major highway between tokyo and the north northwest of the country soldiers were dispatched to provide food blankets and portable toilets japan's weather agency is

forecasting even heaviest snowfall over the weekend. meanwhile the northeast united states is digging out from its own massive snowstorm from pennsylvania across new york to vermont people watched up to one made to the white stuff pile up more than 60000000 people are affected by the early season storm. and some sports news now in russia faces consequences over its doping practices the country's banned from competing at all hosting major international sporting events has been up held for 2 years including the next to him picks and the football world cup in qatar but the ruling from sports highest court does cut in half the for the 4 year ban the world anti-doping agency had imposed individual russian athletes will however be allowed to compete at those events if they're not complicated implicated rather in diving here's

a look back at the entire russian doping saga. the russian doping scandal became headline news in late 2015. the country was banned from world death led ics and its national doping agency was also suspended. in 2016 the world anti-doping agency commissioned a major report it alleged state sponsored doping across a wider range of sports including at the sochi 2014 winter olympics in russia. the international olympic committee opted against a blanket ban on russia competing at the 2016 rio games but the pressure increased and by the 28000 winter games in south korea russian athletes had to march as neutrals under the olympic flag the i.o.c. president thomas bach then lifted the ban and russia's anti-doping agency was reinstated. by $29.00 teams there were allegations that moscow the average henri

data had been manipulated before being handed to the world anti-doping agency it led to wada imposing a new 4 year ban on russia competing across a range of sports including the tokyo olympics. however russia could play and help post the european men's football championship as it was not deemed a major event. russia appealed the overall band to the court of arbitration for sport the world's highest sports court which has now ruled that the band would be up held but for 2 years instead of for. president vladimir putin had always denied the existence of a state run with open program but now that the c.i.s. has rejected the appeal the kremlin has nowhere left to turn. in football by munich's robert levin dusky has won the 5th best men's player of the

year award after scoring 55 goals in old competitions last season previous winners cristiana ronaldo and lionel messi to the prize the poll helped find seal a champions league win this league and german cup treble it's the 32 year old 1st global award meanwhile england defender lucy braun's took the women's prize 29 year old woman champions league with almost before moving to manchester city. shall have parted ways with coach mandelbaum who was unable to turn around the club's $28.00 game winless streak bound failed to win a single game with shockers since taking charge in september that's a run of 10 matches german club are currently bottom of the table with 4 points in 12 games dutch coach and shall the board member who stevens is set to replace bound for the time being. a singapore's straight kitchens have long been a key ingredient of life in the city state with stalls bundled together in food

courts known as hocus centers these communal dining rooms serve meals at all times of the day to all types of people now you know sco has formally recognized the particular flavor they bring to life in singapore and added them to their cultural heritage list. it sizzles simmers and steams something's always cooking in singapore's hokus centers 24 hours a day 7 days a week. every morning at 5 am lina starts preparing to dove for the fish pools in her kitchen singaporeans eat around a 1000000 of them a day and here the still handmade. i think us focus is very hard to eat fish right to the bones so fish bowls there and it was easy to show kids love it all yes i think that. that's right so you can see by and love the

taste of this delta. lina and her husband even serve hundreds of fortune's a fish will soup every day they run one of more than $18000.00 food stalls in the city's food courts the caucus centers chinese malays and indian influences all come together here. jeevan is typical of this cultural mix he's of indian heritage but his dishes are inspired by chinese cooking and it is by singapore using a voice over. culturally diverse we have so many different people of all sorts of races and walks of life coming together sharing a common love of food. chicken or dark with rice for 3 year as a singapore classic the dish has even and this hawker a michelin star the longer the queue the better the food that's the rule of thumb here but going to a hawk a center is not just about filling your stomach according to food blogger leslie. more than half of all singaporeans visit one of the food courts at least once

a day for breakfast lunch and dinner. ok she knew you see our prime minister lining up for the food here and he's got to stand in line like everybody else and wait for table they gave me body holes so it's it's something that you know whether you're a c. or president of a company or whether your you know just a middle class worker whatever this is this is all community dining hall. but something needs to change if the culture is to survive the average age of chefs is 59. j.j. is an exception 12 hour shifts and relatively low pay are keeping young people away j.j. gave up his marketing job to become a hawker together with his friends he wants to entice future tastebuds with a mix of japanese and malaysia who has seen. this stuff and you

know maybe yes we do a lot during the 1st one of us all of what we really want is to educate more business us getting more getting more stalls and also that we can sort of recruit more people and in our most of the revenue was up there just in front of. singaporeans love their food every evening at 7 and entire street in the business district is closed off and turned into a street food market in singapore good cheap food. almost of basic rights and now part of humanity's intangible cultural heritage. delicious reminder of the top story we're following for you many of the long 300 abducted boys in nigeria have walked into a government complex in the country's north the boys were kidnapped last week by suspected islamised militants. you're watching in danger of the news coming up next to the point which this week asked the question because 19 crosses his page when

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documents. no big family celebrations no fireworks in many countries this year people have to for goby love a tradition because the pandemic is by reeling out of control here in germany that means locked down until january 10th. at the earliest nonessential shops are closed christmas markets have gone dark nightly curfews and alcohol bans apply in places and schools are shut the u.s. canada and the united kingdom have become vaccinating but they're vulnerable citizens still face grave risk yet things could be different countries like ireland imposed tough lockdowns much earlier and are now reaping the benefits are title coated 1000 crisis who pays when the politicians get it wrong.

on. a. hello and welcome to to the point and it's a pleasure to greet our guests matthew condit chick is the chief europe correspondent for politico and he says germany's covert 19 policy is economically exactly what the doctor ordered the new lockdown in the quiet season couldn't have been better and it's a pleasure to welcome julia fischer she is a berlin based journalist and physician who reports on science and medicine for radio broadcasters and turn of pinion this year beloved traditions can have life threatening consequences everyone who does not tend to get togethers saves lives. and it's great to have derek scully on the program again she is

a correspondent based here in berlin with the irish times and he says arlen did it right in the 2nd wave after a 6 week lockdown the irish are looking forward to a relatively relaxed christmas and new year. so. matthew let me start out by coming back to the quiet season because it's certainly not a quiet season for medical personnel and for many people it working in clinics and of course intensive care units more and more are under strain here in germany what happened. well i think the government took overall a fairly flexible approach over the last several months in germany because they didn't want to have a hard lockdown like we've seen in other countries in europe in france and belgium italy and so forth one reason is because the effects that that has on the economy and yes now the numbers are rising in germany but if you look back over the past 6

months and if you look at how the german economy has performed and it's outperformed most of europe it's done surprisingly well with for example in the 3rd quarter alone the g.d.p. rising by over 8 percent which surprised everybody i think you have to look at the entire picture here and say you know yes they could have done a full lockdown and we would be in a better place right now at christmas then we would have otherwise but there are also other effects of a lockdown that people i think often forget particularly on mental health and you know on schools and so forth so i think that overall germany should get a pretty good grade here thank you very much we will come back to the economic side in just a minute but you say beloved tradition can have life threatening consequences so clearly you think that the situation here is pretty dire yes and i think red not a valium is important to. the contacts that we're having because that is the one

thing the virus really attacks unfortunately is the one thing that we really like really want to be together with our people but this this time we really just have to make sure not to see anybody who is not within our. bubble unless we can be for something but really have to watch out this year so actually there are some restrictions or before these tighter rules there were some restrictions that had been put in place in mid november a so-called locked down light that was supposed to be a circuit breaker to really break through that chain of infections but it has. it turned out that way why not it hasn't worked as the politicians had hoped because i think. they hoped that the people in germany would act accordingly to those fools more strictly we know that in march people reduce their mobility by 60 percent and they only reduce them to 40 percent this time and that is just not

enough so we saw that different and ireland for example people didn't work in the home office enough they did travel with public transport a lot things like that so. in the hole that was not able to really reduce the number hopes in the beginning do you pointed out that ireland did handle the 2nd wave differently so 2 questions about that 1st one how stable is the current situation there i was checking some news reports it looks like it's not quite clear if the infection rate may be trending upward again exactly i mean i look at these lockdowns it's a bit like cortisone cream you can put it on the rash the rush will go away the question is how quickly will the rash come back up and how do you talk on the underlying cause so these doctors are only ever measures but it's almost like when do we need the breathing space when we need the breathing space and time it accordingly and i mean christmas is extremely important millions of immigrants like to come home many of them won't make it but for these people in our then they've had a very tough year they didn't have the breathing space in the summer the way we had

in germany so to not give them the christmas there would have been a revolt so i think they just counted backwards from christmas 6 weeks and they said let's do it but as you said this morning the chief medical officer unarmed is worried things are creeping up again but i mean the numbers comparable number is there at $48.00 cases per 100000 over 7 days so in parts of saxony in eastern germany there are $700.00 or so and in germany it's a $1670.00 so we're still a long way but you know it's going to creep up and people are already saying is the price of our christmas we're going to be locked down in january again but people would say if i had a choice i think john. everyone's mikes are at their credit cards anyway sitting at home in january is what they do best so maybe it will be less painful then so yeah a lot of governments are just making plans but i did see what our than they had a counter in front of them the counter backwards and in germany they just seemed to like over christmas forgot about it and now we're sort of facing into this and for retailers for families to be told that 2 days notice oh by the way christmas shopping is counseled i mean the panic having people panicking running into shops

grabbing whatever they could in the middle of a pandemic really doesn't seem very smart and they knew christmas was coming. if you compare say the way that germany handled the 1st wave to how it's handling the 2nd what do you see a change in the way that politicians have behaved here in this country. i would say i see more of a difference in the way the population has behaved because people seem to be much less worried about corona now then they were in march because they didn't have the visibility when something happens for the 2nd time you tend to be lest worried about it if you've survived the 1st stage and i think that's what happened here where most people understand that you know even if they get it their chances of dying are not that high and you know they know what they need to do to avoid getting it back in march the whole situation with the mask for example wasn't

really clear if that was good or not there was just a lot of confusion about it so i think you know people tend to blame the politicians but i think that we all know now when we knew back in march that there was going to be a 2nd wave there's always a 2nd wave there was with the spanish influenza in 1918 and there is now do you think that's right you would you say actually politicians do bear part of the responsibility certainly there was some criticism about mixed signals that had been sent here in germany say when rates started trending upward again in early october and i think that is that that was definitely a problem i mean it's i think also it's very true that people are getting used to the virus and that because there are still a lot of people who don't know anybody who really got very sick from the virus or anything i think that that helps people or makes people underestimate the danger of the virus much more than it was in the spring and i think that's a big problem but i also think it won't be the duty of the politicians to

communicate in a better and clearer way that the danger is still there and that we have that we have to act together to do something against this fund that make and i think sometimes in some parts of the country that friend wrong there whether or not ireland is the perfect example certainly some countries do. parent we do better than others new zealand taiwan some other places in asia to what extent do you think that the approaches in such countries are transferable to others are there recipes here in terms of political guidance communication and so on no i think the social element is crucial i mean and it's also what works at one point you know the german approach they had the they were able to test quickly they had the capacity early on tracking in tracing the they were also decentralized so they could act locally and this particular phase the beast of a prize approach that appears to work less i think

a crucial issue is how much can the state expect of its people and i don't know much about age of people have said there's a higher level of compliance with you know an order comes and people are more willing and western europe is more notion of personal freedom you know your infringe on my person for life and i'm entitled to celebrate christmas as i wish in arlon what i find interesting i found fascinating was the level of social control is so much higher there than here in germany. meaning people could be shamed into doing things more quickly i mean shame was taken out it was like an instinctive irish catholic holdover i don't know what but people could be shamed into staying at home or you're going abroad it was never legal to go abroad but if you were going abroad you would hear about it from your neighbors offered so again that's not sustainable but it's certainly in the 1st stages it works on the sort of a social social cohesion i notice in germany things seem to be at least in berlin which is not germany but a much more individualistic approach you know there's a notion of society but the people aren't as close to each other so the

consequences of your personal decisions crops are not as immediately apparent to you or you care less about the people in the urban immediate environment or could be affected by your personal choices let's drill a little bit deeper on the economic side of the pandemic the difficult tradeoff that we face is of course not only about foregoing beloved traditions but also very much about material costs germany's new lockdown will have severe consequences for retailers in particular let's go to new and bag known for a christmas market whose magic has now abruptly come to an end. golden angels mulled wine shopping the epitome of german christmas especially at the world famous clist candles marked in one bag this year it's cancelled only a few stalls are open selling fruit and vegetables to the handful of customers in mind there is no christmas here there are no tourists any more it's just plain bad at the markets you can see the market is completely quiet. people should only leave

their homes in urgent cases alcohol is banned in public places and there's no nighttime curfew all enforced by the police in germany hesitated to impose a hard lockdown for a long time and it was preceded by an unusually emotional appeal from the chancellor even was on that if you had too much contact over christmas and it turns out to be the last one with our grandparents we would have failed and that is something we should not to when. in fact according to surveys around 70 percent of germans are in favor of a hard lock down but how long can people hold out. and let me ask matthew carney exactly that question because your opening statement indicates that you think the germans are in a good position to bear the costs but the retailers association here in germany says that as many as one in 2 retailers could wind up facing bankruptcy if they

don't get enough help quickly well fortunately germany isn't primarily a retail economy and i think people often forget this because you know when you go out on the street what you see are shops and when shops are suffering that's something that's more immediate to most people but it is and has always been an industrial economy it lives from exports and that has continued german exports to china and elsewhere in asia are back up again recently so i think this is what the government has really focused on and that's why i think that being more flexible over. past several months has been a good idea because this is a crucial phase for most industrial companies the end of the year particular the 4th quarter and so while retailers are hurting i mean the lockdown started on december the 16th so they're going to lose maybe a week or so of their normal business which is also a crucial time of year for them but overall i think the trade off is probably worth

it because if you had started the lock down earlier closing schools for example that would have had a much more severe impact on the core of the german economy derek the german government says that it will help affected businesses cover their fixed costs to the tune of another 11000000000 euros a month apparently from the public purse the finance minister says that's ok germany can afford this astronomically high debt do you think that's right. the finance minister in germany the federal finance minister is the social democrat i'm coincidently he wants to be elected transfer next year so i mean i think it's everyone wants to be the christmas 4 months to be santa claus at the moment but he often friends who aren't in politics aren't in finance notice of where is his money coming from so if the man in the street is beginning to wonder where the money is coming from rather than saying isn't it great or getting free money it's it's working for me and under money i suppose a kind afforded more than other countries because for the last couple of years it

was almost like a religion here they call it the shots and all the bones but they're one of the black 0 of the books to be bonds but suddenly in the in the crisis they've been able to because their balance sheets were more balanced over the years was able to take money but even by turn standards this is a phenomenal amounts of money and to be certainly interesting what they can promise next year running up to the election the federal elections in september if they've actually blown all the money now you're. looking at this tradeoff between economic burdens and the burdens on health systems because of the pandemic do you think there really are alternative approaches i'm thinking about countries like sweden or switzerland which tried hard to let normal life go on and essentially that way preserved.