it is beginning to wonder where the money is coming from rather than saying isn't it great we're getting free money it's working for me and germany i suppose a kind afforded more than other countries because for the last couple of years it was almost like a religion here they call it the shots and all the bones they want to black 0 the books have to be bonds but suddenly in the in the crisis they've been able to because their balance sheets were more balanced over the years is able to take money but even by turn standards this is a phenomenal amounts of money to be certainly interesting what they can promise next year running up to the election the federal elections in september if they've actually blown all the money now you're looking at this tradeoff between economic burdens and the burdens on helps to systems because of the pandemic do you think there really are alternative approaches i'm thinking about countries like sweden or switzerland which try to hard to let normal life go on and essentially that way preserve the openness of the economy those models essentially

have failed happened then work i mean we saw that the swedish had. many more deaths than we did and that the economy didn't live better and in germany so i think it's always it's always very difficult to balance these 2 options but. scientists know that if you have a heart locked down and you keep it short but strict normally it is good for the numbers and it doesn't hurt the economy as bad as if you if you keep a low mass measures are light measures for a long time so i think doing our lock down now and hoping that it can be short as better than yes keeping it going on the fairly high number there is one model here in germany that is sometimes seen as an alternative to the way that most states are doing things and it's coming from the fairly small southwestern town of tubingen

where the authorities green party politicians have made a very big effort to protect the elderly in the vulnerable wrong durable for example by creating special times where only they can shop and mean while allowing life otherwise to go on pretty much as normal would you say that is a model that could work elsewhere at least in germany it is a nice model to really try to protect the elderly more but it's never going to prevent the virus from getting to the to the vis groups because people mingle and you always have young people working at hospitals or social care homes and stuff like that so you are. is a nice try and i'm sure it has a good effect but it's not going to stop it's not government kind of stuff that i nomic of the virus is spreading also into the other groups matthew in many ways this discussion in capsule leitz what we saw in the united states essentially in

the tensions between donald trump who said just let the economy do its thing and the pandemic will kind of eventually fizzle out to a joe biden who says the economy is never going to really get back on its feet until we get the pandemic under control which side would you come down on well i think the economy is going to start prospering again in the coming months as the. vaccination starts to roll out we're seeing that already i think we're seeing more optimism in the united states because of that that's also reflected in the stock market which is sort of a harbinger of sentiment going forward you know trump didn't manage the crisis well it's clear if you look at the number of people who died in the united states or 300000 now dead and 3000 dying every day as we speak now so i don't think that was a success that said the economy has performed better than in many other countries because there wasn't a harsh lockdown and you know this i think is

a situation that is different in every country you have to listen to the people there are different mentalities around the world obviously china was very successful in combating the virus they have methods i think that most people in europe would would not accept but they did succeed in bringing the pandemic under control very quickly so i think you just have to be somewhat flexible starting with massive surveillance and use of private data i want to come to the vaccine question just a moment but there is one more. political aspect and that is popular support for the measures we saw in the report and i've seen this myself i was out on the streets yesterday talking to people 7080 percent of germans saying they support this new lockdown they think tighter restrictions are important should have maybe been put in place sooner. merkel has seen her popularity skyrocket yet again since she's been calling for these harder measures but the fact is that is now what is it

likely to look like in 6 months or longer if people are losing their jobs if retailers are failing could we see a backlash in which people lose faith in the politicians and perhaps turn to populism and i think it's very likely i mean i find of interest and out there enough people out on the streets to do a vox pop i mean technically we're not supposed to be i came here through the western. city center and i was expecting another sort of zombie film scenario like in march where it was a bomb in the streets and a bit of rubbish blowing in the wind people are out and about and if you're awesome if one has a good reason to be out the question is well of course there are restrictions so i think what we're seeing is this sort of cognitive dissonance in people's minds of course i know there's restrictions but i just need to like the person parks in the 2nd lane i just need to i just need to get my brother all's i just need to go to the bank machine so i think that exceptionalism we all have this exception is in our mind and i think that's growing in in march february or march april people were

just say no i mean there's no exceptions we just have to do it and so we're already now in quite an elastic phase in our brains and i could go on and i i don't think the populism i think that's more interesting in the americans part of the christian democrats they have they're looking for a new leader i'm going to be interesting who wins there will be a more authoritarian figure with a few more a we need to like america figure we need to keep everyone together and to gratian this figure so i think that will be he will see that in the middle of january and i think that will be an interesting barometer of where a german public opinion is this is the largest party this person who's going to be elect is probably going to be the next chancellor and they will set the tone i think for the debate. let us now take a quick look at pandemic politics some countries that have largely failed to get the pandemic under control such as the us and britain are now hoping that vaccination will put things right the united kingdom was the 1st country in europe to approve biotech pfizer's vaccine and it is accelerating its rollout margaret

keenan a 90 year old woman from coventry made history as the 1st to be vaccinated she's happy to have put code behind her and hopes that many will follow her example her shut kicked off the largest mass vaccination in british history the elderly and they're seeing home staff are 1st in line for the vaccinations yuliya based on that british. example do you think that authorities here could and should have accelerated the approval process and rolled the vaccine out faster i don't think so because i think it's really important to make the people see that this is. a process that's really following protocol and that all the standards that need to be applied are applied and that the people can really trust if if it's approved this vaccine they can trust that it's good and for that reason i think it's ok that it's taking a while and derek how fast would you expect to britain's program to show results do

you think a quick rollout can begin to compensate for those failures that were in fact made by johnson's government i think he actually what we're seeing with the vaccine rolled out is across infection bragg's realities it's a disastrous situation things are going to very tough they need some political they need to the good news story so i would be very surprised if there weren't some phone calls made to say we actually need the vaccine and we need it now on the health minister went on british television and was crying crocodile tears are moving it was to see this so i think there's a political reality too to be the enough course there is a political reality of the deaths in britain i've been asking my british cozens why is nobody talk about the deaths right here i mean this is like grenfell and hillsborough and all of the terrible disaster in britain on a daily basis and he's not so you know he's on political under political pressure to deliver but in the long term it would be terrible if if for some reason this emergency. allowing the viking to come to an art emergency rules it's not backfires

on public credibility as the credibility of the vaccine is undermined will he take the political responsibility for that knowing boss johnson i'd say probably not. you politicians you're warning that it's going to take a while for vaccines to truly bring the infection rates down germany's health minister says we might see a return to normalcy in summer do you think that's right is it realistic. certainly realistic it might not be realistic to think that everything is going to open up again on january 10th which is now the official end of the lockdown that might need to be extended but i think by the time summer comes around again i expect things will have calmed down by then hopefully the vaccine will have been rolled out to many people not everybody who's going to need it but will be on the right path and i think the world will look much different and. just because we're almost at the end of our show let me come back to our title we asked whether citizens must pay

for politicians errors we have a larn hard winter before us before that vaccine really does begin to show results what would you want to see from politicians here in germany but also in europe as a whole in terms of trying to keep people on track to keep the pandemic at least somewhat under control when i really think it needs a year of wyatt and really kinnear strategy we need to really formulate a goal that everybody's working to torrence and we need clear coming occasions by the politicians and we need the people to follow the rules and really act accordingly. sentence what would you want to see from leaders you know from european union solution that's what europe is here for it doesn't the virus doesn't care whether it's in belgium or across the border an hour away in cologne and that we're doing in the national level and that's catastrophic in the long term thank you very much to all of you for being with us thanks to you out there for tuning in

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