are you. in the. country. for. what's in store. for the future. or to make your city go to insult. the term. are we in the middle east. it is get him out of the scope of the being in the right right how could you say this with 100 percent more than 2 years ago ethiopian prime minister abi op made road to power on a wave of hope for peace and democracy in the longer press the country but now he has waged a military offensive on forces in the northern tier driver egypt sparking a humanitarian crisis my guest this week from addis ababa is designing a bra minister for democratization where is the peaceful future as prime minister

promised. ministers are to go bra a welcome to conflict zone thank you very much simeon last year prime minister abi ahmed was awarded the nobel peace prize and in his acceptance speech he said the following war is the epitome of hell i know because i have been there and back i know there are slaughtering brothers older men and women children trembling in terror now fast forward one year later he's led a military offensive against the t.p.o. left group in the northern region of thousands are feared dead has he led ethiopia into the hells of war that he described one year ago most of whom already is a man of peace. you know he has the conditions. peace needs your support immunity to be able to some country because as you said he is

going to search or do such difficult times so his his believes on peace is informed by his own personal experience from the good cop. car you know it is not our stories to go to war we left no stone unturned to settle the difference that we had let it be a way for the people left chose to give even years you know to their lives was a great fighting force democracy is very i line element 40 perry people in there he is the use to some of this is by the muzzle of the editing with so nama other. right that of the difference so dialogue and discussion didn't live gave tours to give out his live for peace. if year.

and we will talk about how you got here and in fact but for now i would like to just focus on the situation on the ground because the un and n.g.o.s they say that there is an urgent need right now for independent monitoring of the human rights situation after the international n.g.o.s mysie international brought to the world's attention the massacre in my car drop they say the following that there are possibly hundreds of civilians stepped hacked to death with knives machetes the u.n. says that if a party to this conflict was involved it would constitute a war crime again this is an international ngo that brought this incident to the world's attention would it not be advisable to have an independent international investigation and monitoring of what is happening right now and to grow on the ground that these of us were waiting for some was that a. government. program. for months is gone you know we have. human to human to human rights commission

but the former you model it was that it. is the resume me. i was i was good i was in the loop he has years of immunity which means bloomberg is number and he can consult with reebok. and i suspect that's this constant is coming from the deeply held convictions or it comes from northern ministers they're only i'm not you it's 30 minutes of that out of there. who impartially investigate human rights. i think that the issue that is is being brought up is not that that africans can administer it it's that you are one of the parties to the conflict in fact and your government's response in fact to those calls for international investigations has been and i'm quoting here we do not need

a babysitter we will invite assistance only if the government feels that it had failed to investigate again you're one of the party is to the conflict that doesn't sound like transparency that one rule in this edition is not the us it is an independent human rights commission lead laden in brooklyn who was just 2 years down the line had a humorist which what i think he's resuming of as good as any globalist. so i don't think anyone for a moment it's international or you want it which would be better to. look at this could ability and his investigative part so you have at least your report you for asking any question i would like you to go and read his using this edition just in case you have questions. in the city of bluffton's of believing that we are but it's already done in the book at him he's human rights commission. is going let's

look at some of these allegations more deeply and i'd just like to take you through them the 2 p.l.f. for example they claim that your forces have been party to the violence refugees who have made it to sudan they also echo those claims for example c.n.n. spent a number of days interviewing refugees who were crossing over the border and to sit down and they describe to the following if you'll be an army entering it. to a town telling civilians they are safe then the soldiers leave and other armed groups such as the amara militia in the final aligned with the ethiopian army arrive. there are concerns that this is descending into an ethnic conflict the conflict in te cry. is the final being brought in to finish the to grier's as one refugee described it. hundreds and billions of years and for thousands of years we'll have our army makes its way to get our people of to you

know have been coming out in months in must something in one common goal who. are our special. descent it is a do to live special apart. karl seem to minister to elimination of that if you looked into degraded so my heart went to my heart our special forces did it in spite of themselves do you acknowledge the presence of the funnel because a spokesperson for example for your government at 1st denied the existence of the final militia but then confusingly acknowledged that the militia of the un horror region were engaged to the extent of securing border towns between the 2 regions and you have refugees describing this this fear of this force are they there are more and i'm hot i mean it's just. farmers that use group but user group is not anywhere. it is a modest speech and only just to give it away just all of us caught by did to

be aloof our military establishment and them they were the source of. them of killing anyone in fact we had to rescue the good people. which was booked so they can also use them whatever even for more than 2 years so this is not a good company these are the. these know what is going to be some so this is not even a civil war but in the summer let's look at another claim because you say that it's a law and order operation as you've just articulated right now but there is growing fear that the conflict in fact is drawing in regional actors for example eritrea and could impact regional stability of the us cites the following they say that they are aware of credible reports of the eritrean military involvement in te gras and that they view this as a grave development as we mentioned earlier prime minister he made peace with

eritrea that is part of what won him the nobel peace prize are they now an ally that has helped you fight your military offensive or you know our military. has been weakened in keeping peace is keeping missions. was a problem of healing was if you know so she's i'm so torn and those that say that will become a good book that. i can issue 100 percent terms in one of them one can sometimes get out of it im out of is open to being in what i'm wondering though how you can assure and 100 percent terms when the americans say that they have satellite images they say intercepted communications anecdotal reports from the region also add to that we know eritrea for example just for contacts is a country that has long face accusations of large scale human rights abuses and there were about 100000 eritrean refugees that are located in tikrit i said there's

a lot at stake here the united nations says the following. over the last month we have received an overwhelming number of disturbing reports from eritrean refugees into grave being killed being abducted being forcibly returned to eritrea and if confirmed these actions would constitute a major of violations of international law these are horrifying reports can you not guarantee their safety and how could you say this with 100 percent we are the sum of the largest. global we are known for hosting the refugees with all due respect that is that is very loud in the room commission you hear if you do sir. we will take your career there if there is no it in aren't getting into either so there is no evil is it implicit establishment come in attack. refugees if that was

a gift would have been the 1st stand against it and in soon make sure that our limited use are safe that is very wrong that before submission you know we still believe go on one of our because we're better than ever you believe was one of the reason behind her i'm still with you of that. now it is being abused cemented into our leaders running for the levers or having our safe. mr minister i'd just like to bring it back to the actions of your government though because your government says that it's returning in fact eritrean refugees that had fled in the northern region of to human rights watch says that it's unacceptable the u.n. calls those reports alarming. so you're essentially returning people that fled in fear many of them fled went to the capital they are afraid of being exposed to eritrean violence how do you explain that to the world amid amid these reports amid

these fierce from these refugees we can only really anything was a consultant of the refuse to go to is no safe they can engineer or even live with . you guys it's you or you die so you should stay in a certain the limits. will be if you dump cingular and they are to save lives once they've been saved we'll come to think that's what it is and it's not being enforced. if you're in government believes in consultation with. its beliefs and if you just be respected and did your mother suspected so that's not all mcclish remember and amanda you say that it's a safe and stable situation about we have reports of 4 aid workers that have been killed a u.n. security team seeking access here in eritrea and camp for refugees was also shot at by here for sense that doesn't look good how is it possible that a u.n.

team could not be coordinated in the region or are you afraid of were you afraid of what they might see. if you're if you happen to read to supplement the shoot. if you. just look at it or to who they say go they have a holy. this is a technical problem. for service we're not supposed to go so it's implicit we are building bridges roads. we have started their lives. we have established and we can connectivity are going to be and out of these has limited the entire region from this joined up so i just said the international community mr minister is not convinced of that the un says that we have reports that the fighting continues between federal forces and the t t l f an affiliate in the leisure goldeyes they describe the situation as worrying

as volatile as spiraling out of control with an appalling impact on civilians ultimately i just like to bring it back to the fact that abi has he has pursued a military solution to this conflict ultimately while your international allies on the continent and beyond have expressed a lot of concern they've called for dialogue there was an african union delegation actually in the capital that was reportedly not even allowed to meet with the t.p.o. laugh by your government is that your understanding of more democracy blocking dialogue why not talk. one thing i'm talking to you from itis. whether i'm a rehab he was in iceland gone well what's up with. the main problem and i'm telling you you get a say and i think it's good to. so they go. because

because us troops you know these is just a lot you so. it's allowed information that you are getting does not in any way explain what's going on on the ground. the idle can only happen between 2 reasonable parties. for the past 2 and a half you still haven't begun to believe to come to the table and settle out because that is not the assessment by the way of others who are following the situation because you came to power promising democracy promising peace after decades of repressive wrong but in their transition chatham house says the following about the lack of inclusion has angered the opposition groups with whom the government has had little genuine dialogue could you have done more to bring the country together for a more inclusive dialogue from the very beginning could all the bloodshed have been avoided this government was able to broker

a deal with. and solve the problem which was a longstanding one quarter of 2 tickets we can with we can do it with our brothers into europe we don't have a problem this government you cannot *. accuse this government of locking culture of yellow this government is all about democracy reform and the out but even if it's not used least we're going to talk about it don't worry if you're not me i want to be used very important for us to. kill our soldiers i seriously do believe killed women in uniform i did a sleep which government will towards this will your government will u.s. government really good german government. i don't know how i missed actions cannot occupy their minister. the international crisis group mr minister of the international crisis group says the following that this conflict runs the risk of ripping the state asunder the t.p.o.

left as a valley into fight on there are reports of clashes continuing on the ground experts say we're seeing the beginning of a drawn out insurgency and yet your government is declaring victory you're saying that you have the situation under control after the offensive on the kelly your prime minister even said that that no citizen was killed is in your declaration of victory premature amid all of those assessments look. what's a look around we know what. we. know there's an. end up him some pretty much. the war is over but mr minister it is not just the region of to grow that is a concern ethnically motivated and intercommunal violence have been on the rise there have been reports of about 150 fatal clashes in the past year some of those

instead it incidents have estimates of hundreds killed millions have been internally displaced and now the united nations is warning of a heightened risk of genocide war crimes ethnic cleansing crimes against humanity when you look more broadly at the rest of your country are you on the brink of a potential genocide does the state run the risk of breaking up are you the next you can slavia that the very negative report that you would use those weapons that . we have essentially removed making you consider what your p.r. is rather or the post i mean just to. make it is so that it wants all the. the rest of it he'll be are is is more than ever you can you could last a models of ice it was into the wind of 40 years ago so you just don't deny we had a meeting in town no just. no none of them out. but

really used to me and living a 2nd life so this does not the president does not explain the ground that is not the situation that is described by international n.g.o.s amnesty international reports for example that your security forces are part of the mob and they say for example 6 in the region is your only excuse in the region of a romeo for example this is obvious political base they quote the carrying out of extradition executions arbitrary arrests of detention torture other forms of ill treatment forced evictions destruction of property human rights violations serious accusations they've called on your government to do more to stop it where's the action you know if you took a. 100. and most of europe there is. some. sort of disease on the wisdom of who

knows there are submitted but if you number if you see the situation or years ago there were by far. now that humanity has rejected it is a community use of fighting against people we can look at in extrajudicial killings they need to leave for. 2 and a half years ago close a chapter of us i'd like to move on now to democracy because you're the minister for democratization as we mentioned in the beginning you've delayed the general election this was your 1st real shot at democracy after decades of oppressive rule now opposition political parties mainly from these ethnic erroneous strongholds they say they're being intimidated amnesty describes the following the crackdown on dissenting political views ahead of general elections the leading opposition figure has even been jailed how legitimate and democratic can your election really be made

what is being described as a crackdown. it is not the lives election it is a national look. it's the person and. you know it is your ticket 19 more than 50 countries. it leads you to listen to it you could be 90. not an exception to what i was asking me just boston mr minister i'm asking you this question because you have somebody who was detained and jailed because he has a critical view of your prime minister are the ahmed or at least reportedly that's why he says that he was detained in fact there seems to be little appetite to tolerate criticism even abroad i'd like to bring you to another case and this is one of the u.k. based academic who was among those who actually nominated abhi for his peace prize he learned through reports apparently on ethiopia state broadcaster that police had

accused him of quote using international media to destroy the country in response to his critical interviews that he has done on international media is this what opponents of your government can a suspect expect in the country he says he fears going back to the country he thinks there's a significant risk of him being detained. you know as you said. the one based in was the movement. but have we have you know more than 3 people in groups out who would have been to come to your view we have limits that we have got to be looked at to be switching. how you know this new york moving freely whereas just you know to question. parties to come together jalen just a solution we have for us winning or losing this election is equally equally significant lose this election will be the saddest party who accepts that atoms walk into

a competitive election and hand over power mr minister how about press freedom and your country the international federation of journalists reports the following a wave of arrests against journalists covering the ongoing conflict in the teeth they say that since november 7th at least 6 journalists have been arrested on unknown charges the ethiopian human rights commission has expressed concern there's also reports that the government has repeatedly cut off the internet journalists barred from traveling to teague right to cover. this election that that the to gran's had back in september a new law criminalizing hate speech apparently has a provision that can be used as a lock up peaceful dissidents is that how you define democracy isn't freedom of the press the central pillar you know if you're going to have a committed use of to. eat you need your via their daughter notices in prison because of their diplomats have sex. a journalist journalist come up and to commit

a crime on his individual capacity more than one inspirational classic you cannot leave someone from women out of prosecution just because you say your not your journalism is not an immediate to run away from i can't it just comes out of the masters was national dialogue mr minister briefly before we go your own book ask me if you typically have cats in the me there is a coming up a 2nd coming up if you released years ago showing you can little fishes welcome mr minister. mr minister you've cut the internet before another regions but briefly before i go i just like to ask you where is the spirit of madame or the spirit of coming together and synergy that abi described that he promised the country when he took office in this conversation we've talked about ethnic violence a military offensive in the north concerns that you are backsliding on security and democracy is this the best that you can offer our offer ethiopia where's the

synergy that was promised. not when whenever i would look somebody in the service is deeply it is easy if he has a deep connection and he took his support to be a peaceful country. as you know those that. he didn't put in charge of that spoke that. will remain to go if europeans are united more than ever if you're going to have here more than ever we have a challenge posed by that even if that was that became a border block and it wanted us stock from the king was a lot of democracy this is what what has happened was stupid if gone if your peers will be united more than iraq ethiopia winning because it gives of democracy and support democracy more than a rip in the g.o.p.'s will be able to help will be able to hold the most peaceful the most democrat minister election. is an issue ministers arctic about how we have

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