they know the road is not a solution. their flight feel. like going back not an option. i'm on and are stuck in the spanish border area. alongside other people. that will probably never come. shattered dreams starts january 18th on t.w. . when is the government going to get the message and resign we're getting a lot of the kind of message just stepped on the protests is your government afraid of the truth the you've seen me being a break of the week do understand that there are a lot of problems you don't hear a lot about to do in europe these days but for more than 2 months fog area has been combust by anticorruption antigovernment demonstrations for 7 years in a row it's on the dubious distinction of being the most corrupt country in the e.u.

my guest this week from sofia is the need for such about minister of labor and social policy why does she continue to serve in a government that's mistreating its most vulnerable people in violation of its human rights of the geisha and why has it done so little to crack down on organized crime and the politicians who benefit from. such a welcome to the problem so we've seen more than 2 months of government protests sometimes violent when is the government going to get the message and resign we're getting a lot of different messages from the protests but we're also getting messages from those that are not on the belt. actually the protests started 2 months ago but

they combine that if different messages some of the messages those messages that are for better judicial system or more justice and for fight against corruption is the messages that we hear and we do want to pursue in our politics whether from the opinion polls this is pretty clear 70 percent to distrust the government and the personal confidence rating of the prime minister has dropped to just 20 percent the lowest rate in years so the crowds are telling you they don't want you they don't want your new draft constitution they want immediate elections so why not give them to the ground because that i'm not not a 6000 people on the street then there are more than 1000000 people who have voted for this government and also the regular elections that just showed you what 6 months from today people don't want to wait for that they've seen enough corruption

they've seen enough brutality on the streets now the violence has been condemned as widely excessive violence by the police including by your own president truman rather he accused your government of actually directing and triggering the violence didn't he at least on one occasion. i wouldn't agree with your strong words about violence because i can i can tell you that there are more than 80 policeman that are actually now we must be thorough and that kept the against them there's been a lot of violence on behalf of the public and what when we are talking about that all of the president it's really very interesting that actually it's the president that is the the one that must be a king about unity and must be opening alak and on the contrary is actually fueling the violence and he's giving spirit of hatred that's that's quite an accusation to level against your president but it's not shared by the council of europe in

particular the. commissioner for human rights dunja me out of it she talked about numerous reports of police violence against journalists covering the demonstrations several were reportedly beaten up and pepper sprayed when rock police clashed with demonstrators violence against journalists she said especially at the hands of state agents is contrary to state's duty to uphold press freedom and to protect the safety of journalists it's pretty sad when you have to be reminded of that is and. it's pretty set but at the same moment you are a person that is your word for factual television and for factual journalism and i can tell you that fact i'm not actually supporting the strong statements as i told you all right now there were more than 80 police people that are in hospital and the out of very serious violence there are also yellow also on the streets from the brought the sounds there were coffins that were being dealt

a number of other. access to it is that they have been we have been witnessing on the street so the council of europe doesn't know what he's talking about and your own president doesn't know what he's talking about and you have a veto of the euro zone when i try minister so this is not into his head and isn't it you have a dead end here. it's not that then but objectivity insists that we also see everything which is on the street not only what is what suits elk recission well president rather has long accused your prime minister of corruption and links with organized crime he's called on him to resign the government government the current government he says is morally finished and it's of the utmost importance that it's formally finished as well he's right isn't it what kind of system is this where the prime minister is pictured asleep in his official residence a gun beside his bed and a draw in his bedside table stuffed full of 500 euro notes what kind of government is this what are your proofs that this this photograph that actually took what are

the proofs of the president in this respect and is this what is to be reality of or just broadcast in picture is it left where the prime minister is not on one in the same picture with this and it notes a funeral and at the same time i think that if we are talking about democracy and if we're talking about superiority of law it's the court that must actually say whether it's true or not but we're coming to the courts in a minute but how helpful is it to the stability of bulgaria with the prime minister and the president at each other's throat both of them calling for the other one to resign the answer has to be that's not very good for the stability of your country is it. definitely this war between the institutions is not good for the stability but i want to again to to draw your attention to the facts and the facts are very clear 1st of all we have the country at the moment which has very low degrees of

the g.d.p. due to the corporate crisis it's 8.2 in comparison with other countries when it's at double figures we also have we have the in top 5 the number 7 employment and i can also point to that the race of the g.d.p. in the last 5 years is nearly double this is not possible in a country which is there with and any corruption it's not possible to see such figures if everything is so rooted and corrupt if you are trying now the conversation well i'm not the only one saying that because you know both pug area and the government you serve in have become by words for corruption internationally corruption mafia capture democratic backsliding and a politically manipulated and almost dysfunctional justice system i wonder why you continue to serve in a government which is so mired in scandal. it got this is the government which doubled the teacher selling in the country this is the government which invested

$2500000000.00 in only in the education system this is the government which preserved almost 300000 jobless it's in the core if that is this is the government which doubled the g.d.p. in the last in the last years and also is the government that boston's increases the incomes of the people and i don't know like a mismatch about your how long the black and white you know your figures are extraordinary g.d.p. growth over the last 10 years has been around 50 percent in contrast to remain which joined on the same day as you the european union has registered an increase of more than 200 percent can you explain that you have the lowest average salary in the you with less than $690.00 euro's a month less than bosnia montenegro which aren't even in the e.u. and the european council on foreign relations says it's a sign you've made very poor use of the. funds why is that mismanagement and corruption or is a both. this is this is not true because the did not stellar in the country when we

started in the country in the country was 25011 our list expanded and then and when we are talking about that the influence of the e.u. france actually decrease of the cell is just that the investment of the events is 8.2 percent for the period between 24020 point it is also important that the g.d.p. has increased its 7.7 percent the european finance investment it is once again because i am a minister of lebanon social policy want to measure the level of unemployment which would have been double figure and now is 7.2 percent and youth of the european union france investment it is a lower with a 5.6 percent minister last year the us state department said that while you laws provided penalties for corrupt officials the government did not implement that law effectively officials in all branches of government reportedly gauged in corrupt

practices with impunity that means no consequences so the inescapable conclusion is that you allow this corruption because members of your government and criminals connected to it profiting by day by day that's why the state department underlined multiple reports of government corruption and they included bribery conflict of interest elaborate embezzlement schemes procurement violations and influence trading this is full service corruption right across the spectrum of your government did you think the world would notice what was going on. i can tell you that in the last year or so the commission for fighting against corruption and confiscating of illegal aquatic property yes that damn the but it really mean that if they call chance for over half a 1000000000 lever and yes that means that more than 1000 different the checks and revisions of different officials on different levels including local and national

government there what hasn't got government official not a single senior government official or major crime bosses been indicted on corruption charges why is that better that your court case is and then not finished yet but i can also point to that part of the felt this and i mean once again reminding but of the protests after by a person who is now trying to escape justice from bulgaria because of not they exis in the country for more than 700000000 you know you keep telling me about what you've done on the subject of corruption but last year the center for the study of democracy in your own capital and sophia so the least 35 percent of public procurement contracts involve corrupt practices that's 35 percent more than a 3rd this is the kind of country that you've turned bug area into and you still think you should stay on in government transparency international regs your country as the most corrupt in the european union and has done for the last 7 years

consecutively why don't we call it the new law but only that in this respect and the statistic which they have that they have announced that for example 58 percent of the respondents in the area say that in the everyday life they give them met that option and that actually according to europe or with that our country yes with 3 percent lower corruption rate then in comparison to 2017 well i don't know which your a barometer you're looking at but the one last year said that 80 percent according to it 80 percent. i think that there is widespread corruption 78 percent think that the only way to succeed in business is to have political connections these are statistics that would shame any developing nation around the world let alone a member of the european union exactly the same you don't permit the sense that 28 percent of the respondents say that they are actually seeing that action in the every day and 58 percent say that they have not been enough touch with that option

in their in their latin kitty well i don't know which triggers you're using i wonder if you actually listen to the views of the people out on the streets or are you just interested in digging around in your heels and hanging on to your government salaries to listen to what actually people are saying on the streets about you yes we do that and i don't know on the street there is no one who knighted view and that is no one united group of people and the nation may be a connoisseur of them plenty badly but they're different people with different motives they're those the young people the people that are actually looking for better judicial system and that one more vigorous fight that absent those voices we hear and we want to respond to them yet by showing us according to the u.s. state department you're not doing anything about it you're providing opportunities for full scale full spectrum corruption within the government itself i wouldn't agree with that and i don't know that they're talking about either way that some of

the what they're talking about the rest of the what he's talking about the e.u. doesn't know what he's talking about nobody seems to understand you very well do they let very honest of that country. once again and i'm telling you that in a country where the incomes that being increased where employment rate is lower and let the g.d.p. is being increased you cannot eat about the pandemic corruption because this is just cannot be achieved if there is such import that's in homs and any corruption so you say minister why is so there's so little respect in your government for the free press which is after all the bedrock of any democratic state the council of europe commission doña minnie out of age noted last year the continued deterioration of media freedom in bulgaria she cited nontransparent media ownership heris mint of journalists including the use of defamation suits against them why do you allow this to go on more than 60 percent of the media coverage in bulgaria is

critical against the government they wouldn't say that this is this is like a freedom of press freedom house reported when a pro-government journalist and politician and milk look of was appointed last year to head bulger in national t.v. all the critical voices were silenced same with the nova broadcasting group new owners came in investigative journalists were fired you clearly have no interest in a press that holds your politicians to account to you. i wouldn't agree with just as well because in one of the most popular shows of getting national television decided for example was one of the main leaders of the opposition and one of the main leaders of the protests and actually every single day that a protester on the go get a national television and people can free to express what they think about the government and what they think about the media you know get a yes but don't investigate them don't hold them to account for corruption earlier this year reporters without borders accused your government of trying to intimidate

journalists it said they've been subjected to a series of verbal attacks and threats by very senior officials since the beginning of february they talked about the prosecutor general the speaker of the national assembly why this constant intimidation is your government afraid of the truth do you do you see me being afraid of the truth we do understand that there are a lot of problems and that we need to do a lot in the fight about that option and they sound very little about it and have done very little about it in the time that this party has been in power very little 1003 divisions 1003 divisions the 1st senior government officials you say that this is a little and how many say to that is and how many centers are many people who have been sentenced nobody think that in the final a general and also no major government official has been said they think that in the fight in the fight against corruption we don't receive. such warrants that we see now at the moment if in the fight against corruption is not only something that

in this is that a thing of the government left you you belittle and insult journalists during a press conference in sofia on february 4th your prime minister likened reporters especially female reporters to turkeys and many grotesquely tried to mock them by making sounds imitating the way turkeys gobble is that how you respect the free press in your country. our prime minister just is not specifics in his language and he didn't meant still be able to do any of the journalists any disrespect i don't think that this is a serious accusation about that about lack of freedom of press well this is your country is ranked 100 and 11th in the world press freedom in that's the lowest ranking of any you member country and way lower than countries like kenya and angola you're not ashamed that you score so low on these key indicators for democracy like free press and very much

a story for the fact that the dog ate continues to be with the negative coverage you know of the foreign media but i do believe that if we are the object if we are going to see that light again as i mentioned to you before is not so black and white 60 percent of the average in bulgaria is negative about the government every journalist yet he's really supposed to talk about the government and the the use of social media and the country's really enormous including the consumption of internet media and internet media is very very critical about the minister what's of particular concern is your human rights record in bulgaria and the impression that fundamentally go safeguards for citizens appeared to be missing at the end of 2017 the un committee against torture reported that the or thirty's often failed to inform arrested people of their rights in criminal proceedings that actively

discouraged by manipulation threats and ill treatment from accessing those rights once more in excess of 70 percent of detainees don't have access to a lawyer when those criminal trials begin and some don't even have a lawyer at any stage in those criminal proceedings to say any of that strike you as fair and what kind of state he running will you permit things like that to go on . ministry of justice in the yeti and also the other institutions that are supposed to be taught what about these problems they're working very hard on this as a minister of labor the minister of social policy and in charge for people with disabilities people with mental can be kept and also elderly people and for example in the public 1000 crisis. but yet it has managed to preserve the life of most of the of the people that have been now at the moment in not day care center city centers or people with disability with people with dementia out of 60000 people who

can't be in this and there's only for example and 54 where you are not on her own a thought my question was about the lack of legal representation for people in your justice system it's a pretty shocking lack or 70 percent of detainees don't have access to a lawyer when those criminal trials begin i don't know about this figure us but i can tell this to the don't you read the record international report size your case or what's next that you're rated this bigger because that was in the area a lot of lawyers in the area that also is. this case is the committee against torture said the one in every 3 people detained in a police stations are subjected to abuse there which may be they say of such severity as to amount to torture a main clue beating handcuffing to a movable objects and the use of truncheons i thought all this stuff was supposed to end when the communists left it doesn't seem to have ended at all you seem to

perpetuate this kind of treatment and i'm wondering war as i still think that this is that it was actually exaggerated and it's not exactly true you can also see that during certain ali un is lying about you now the un doesn't know what they're talking about human rights council committee against torture they don't know what they're talking about they don't talk to people they don't do research they simply make all this up to them and you do not believe that the geopolitical interests sometimes when we're talking about the area and international image about the getting to what has no interest in making up stories about you. full stop i'm so interest whatsoever i'm sorry but you can always dull facts from certain cases and you can only say that this is the system but the system is not like this and i can tell you this as a person police already 47 years in the yet and then be 16 years old when the coming a spell and i can tell you that that is the demanders improvement from 1998 until

today well since you're in charge of social care and people with mental disabilities let me join your attention to another report which came from the un committee against torture which is particularly shocking because it involves the excessive use of medication and chemical restraints on people on inmates and the forcible administering of intrusive and irreversible psychiatric treatment and therapies such as neuroleptic drugs without any attempt to gain consent from the people who are subjected to these treatment this is going on in your mental institution and frankly it's inhuman isn't it how do you permit that this report is particularly with this report that i am not aware of it or it's about it concerns free particular institutions this institution is will be closed and all the people in this institution will be displaced into will then yes then there is the close when will they be closed they will last until the end of this month we are working already on that and together with the prosecutor general we started that edition of

all the institutions the mentalities of the temple people in if we see that either it is just like this oh yeah that is just will be well how i know you don't know because there is no independent monitoring another fact brought out by the committee against torture you have no independent special monitoring mechanism for mental health institutions we're working very closely with the non-governmental organisations sense from the 1st of september we have established the mage's young quantity of social services i would let bank out of the beauty. the europeans don't know that it isn't yet our politics at the moment yet there are no institutions for children with mental disability and we are just at in the process of the institutional ization for all the people with mental disability as well minister it is pretty shocking you've been in the for 10 years and you still have these institutions which administer forcible forcibly administer intrusive and irreversible psychiatric treatment and therapies such as neuroleptic drugs another

trick which the communists or thirty's used to do on people on dissidents and people who didn't agree with them this is been going on for 10 years and you tell me you're only now getting round to doing something about it why why have you let this happen for so long the last 3 terms of you this prime minister and this party in power and nothing was done about it. last night it was in the midst of level a social policy was 25 years ago then we get more than 50000 children in institutions now we have no more than a 2500 children that are being i'm not talking about children i'm talking about every has and then look how long it took us to the process of the institutionalization and to say today that we don't have anymore institutions for children now is that the process for elderly people and for people with mental disabilities and i am confident that in between 5 to 7 years we are going to end this between 5 and 7 years at the time of your country's accession you promised to

respect and govern according to the values of the european union those included human dignity freedom democracy equality rule of law respect for human rights things that still do not pertain and are still not respected in your various institutions like prisons where people are being mistreated and like these mental institutions where you've acknowledged that the mistreatment is still continuing i wouldn't agree with you that they don't respect these veils because i don't i don't see that this is a problem of the whole system yes that's the case in which we don't see these values respected and in this case this we act immediately and severely. all right there was no need to thank you very much for being with us.

thank you.

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