the economics magazine clearly you're going to your. next on. happiness is for everyone schumann penises are very different from primates you know we have many totally ridiculous romanticized view nature david and this is climate change regular sex how to improve books you get smarter for free you know where you go on. some are celebrated some are vilified and some are ignored or regardless of how they're received whistleblowers have helped inform our picture of the world often

at great personal costs to themselves speaking truth to power that's our topic today on made now here's one prominent figure who certainly did that but many are divided on whether he should house is he a beacon of truth to national security. include 1006 julian assange set up the organization with felix 4 years later it published classified information on u.s. military action in iraq and afghanistan in 2012 a song facing what he called trumped up charges of sexual assault took refuge in the ecuadorian embassy in london but in 2019 i pod or with through his asylum enabling his arrest a sons of faces extradition to the u.s. on espionage charges. i know he's just one very high profile and very specific example but many whistle blowers are everyday people you might find in your

workplace well what do you do if you knew your company was helping others to lie to the public in 2015 it emerged that german car makers like you were engaged in emissions cheating devices were installed and thousands of cars with diesel engines to help them seem less polluting during testing it caused a major reckoning within germany's prized industry but one former engineer in the automotive sector said he spoke up early and loudly and he got fired for it my colleague met up with em. up in the automobile off a gob i that's when i worked as an engineer in the auto industry i wanted to contribute to making emissions cleaner and improving environmental protection i did my job in as much as i addressed things i thought merited criticism in order to

improve them i think that if they'd been addressed sooner the diesel emissions scandal would never have happened. let's now understand the. cost in front of work for 20 years that bosch a major supplier to the automotive industry in an online interview he told us that long before the scandal broke revealing widespread cheating to disguise high diesel emissions he and others that bosch had already realised that emissions were higher than permitted. he says he wrote about it on an internal company platform and sent a letter to bosch c.e.o. mark donna. about hope mystifying and i didn't like the fact that the emissions targets we were supposed to work towards were below what was technically possible and what my colleagues and i had already developed performed better in that respect than what was actually being used in vehicles on the road so it wasn't just about processes or methods the question was is the direction of the company is taking

tenable on the names worn off. then this scandal hit the headlines car makers like folks are going to mercedes were using cheat software to disguise the high levels of emissions and their diesel models. bush had been involved in developing the software. many engineers that were aware of what was going on but hadn't dared to speak up management came under huge pressure. monofilament about not become pregnant and as soon as the diesel scandal broke they wanted to talk to me i was invited for a meeting and. told very clearly that i was not to write any more critical comments i refused point blank to comply and said i would not be silenced and would continue to address matters of concern and speak out the truth. of the. question you might think that a modern technology company would welcome commitment and independent thinking that

certainly in the impression it gives some promotional videos like this one. bosh says its corporate culture is based on mutual respect fairness openness and trust. not only thought of course i wasn't fired for voicing criticism bosh said so repeatedly in court and to the press but the reasons were demonstrably fictitious it was absolutely below the belt and something that could totally wreck a person's career. and i had to way to live in months for the reference and when i got it it was more of a death sentence than a reference so i hadn't expected that. but that was because of course there can be disagreements i understand that people don't always see things the same way and i understand that people feel under pressure and can react weirdly. or never but what happened to me should never ever happen and that's why i'm fighting it about 1050

it's. just in from far it's challenging his dismissal at a labor court he's already won once but it's now gone to appeal he wants his job back. whistleblowers often underestimate the risk of speaking up an organization in berlin helps them to fight for their rights so far germany doesn't have a law that specifically protects employees who speak out about corporate misdemeanors. my scheme is a bit off of the most whistleblowers lose their job within a year and they're often subjected to harassment. as they made. transferred to a different office or switched to another job colleagues no longer talk to them or did they can come as a big surprise and quite a shock to me. because they tend to assume that since they've brought something serious to light and think everyone will be pleased with them because they're helping prevent it from happening again that's a pipe harvester so much purpose here whistleblowers can fulfill an important

function in companies and in society as a home by driving change the diesel cheating scandal may have cost v.w. tens of billions of euros in fines and settlements but it also hasten the group's shift towards making more environmentally friendly vehicles and many would argue that diesels reputation has suffered permanent damage. the time to notice that you understood i did the right thing and i would do it again and at no point have i thought i should have kept my mouth shut on the contrary in the future i would encourage people to join forces with each other and just speak up together and sooner so as to prevent the kind of disaster the entire industry faces today. in my view people have values and want to pass them on to their children and it's problematic if one can't act according to those values at one's place of work. but it can't be right that people are too scared to speak up. we have to be able to

point out things that we know to be wrong i decided to take the lead and speak out about distances as i've gotten on 4 minutes i mean on the stretches. now there is a reason why whistle blowing is often a lonely endeavor as we saw in that report there can be severe personal consequences for telling the truth but that means institutions often go unchecked from the inside our reporter chris talked to a consultant with a wealth of experience about corporate culture in germany in particular in the big car companies let's just say his interview partner did not hold back. it's still a man's world at the biggest car manufacturers. as is plain to see industry trade shows. volkswagen for one is run by alpha males.

as in these are good i don't think you find any whistle blowers in this kind of corporate culture. they all keep their heads down because they're afraid of having them chopped off as in their core that's the culture and i find it disgusting. is a headhunter he runs an executive placement firm serving many large companies some of them blue chip. has openly said that v.w. boss have a decent should be fired presiding as he does over a corporate culture in which everyone is too afraid to stand up to the bosses. wagon maybe one of the world's biggest car makers but the diesel emissions cheating scandal was only possible because no one there dared to speak out.

that mr d.c. should be fired can a headhunter say such a thing. that's a good question. i took the liberty of doing so because i don't work and i never would. in my many years in this profession i've had the great privilege of only working for clients that i like. a mug shot but what if eyes would you give to big companies what should they look for in their executives. but. the most important characteristic is empathy companies need executives who are empathetic don't have a huge ego and manifest self-restraint they need to be independent sure of themselves and able to say in advance hey guys i'm coming but let me do my thing if you don't let me do my thing i'll leave. i don't have to be here. you know shops and. tobruk says he only consults for businesses that are open to new kinds of

managers ones with what he calls natural authority including more women and people of different nationalities as well as flat hierarchies but they have a gift to lose with rob now that so many people are working remotely from one of the challenges involved in creating and leading a strong team of. them and this will push on if a company is serious about it it has to recruit the right kind of person many firms are going to have to face this in the post code era it could well take a new and disruptive kind of leadership now that so many people are working at home old school issuing commands from above isn't going to work leadership at a distance can only function on the basis of trust. and if trust is there if open and honest debate is possible within a company there might be no need for whistleblowing. according to high note that

kind of healthy corporate culture is the way to success. now as an employee or a former employee it's important to understand what you can and cannot do with the information that you have on your company when is it ok to reveal what you know and what not the law differentiates according to the kind of information you have here is a quick guide from a legal standpoint. what is a trade secret. lisa klein is the head chef at of luxury hotel her fission fruit sauce has won international awards it's become a house favorite the restaurant's signature dish. never the less she was let go because she got to work great once too often. lisa klein is angry i'll show them she says she decides to go to the competition they'll be thrilled about the new

recipe after all no one knows it not so fast that's a crime lisa is about to divulge a trade secret in germany she can face legal consequences for that. dismissal a monetary fine or 3 years behind bars and in some european countries the sentence can be much longer that's the law of the land and it's even in lisa's work contract it expressively protects the company's crown jewels even after the term of employment ends. then she has another idea i'll give my new boss the addresses of the highest paying regular customers at my old restaurant ouch yet another crime lisa is now planning to disclose company secrets and that she is illegal since april 29 team both crimes are part of germany's trade secrets act for example protective laws like these exist in many countries but what if

a disgruntled former employee or like lisa speaks out publicly about how her former boss was engaged in wage dumping and employed undocumented workers all of which is illegal 'd she's not only allowed to reveal those things she's morally obliged to and e.u. guidelines now provide special protection for whistleblowers which prohibits them from being prosecuted e.u. countries are being asked to write that protection into law that's how lisa's boss instead of lisa herself could wind up behind bars assuming of course that lisa is telling the truth. now our show today is about speaking truth to power but what if your the powerful one if you were the boss what in it be important for you to know what's going on good or bad according to one study of 2000 employees in germany 68 percent of those surveyed said they would be willing

to report bullying or discrimination slightly less 65 percent said they would speak up about fraud while only 59 percent say they would call out that of company property but what about the rest meghan rates is a business school instructor specializing in leadership she provides 5 tips on how to create a culture of openness in companies whether we speak up or stay silent affects compliance effects safety issues of my own practice but also can create environments of innovation gelati and of course inclusive and to helping people to speak up work to. say here's my advice on how to create to speak up culture in your workplace.

think about trying new challenge. now if you're struggling to think of examples then perhaps of those find you a little bit scary. so classic phrases that leaders and managers often maine is my door is always open. yes but you were still in your office there's something about getting outside of that environment because that can be quite intimidating for people coming in to your place. to. start focusing on getting people to be brain and speak up i'm focusing more of your time and energy on listening and learning how to help people to feel safe. i've met leaders who tell me they need to speak up more they need to be more assertive and courageous rather focus on creating an environment where they don't have to be so brave in the 1st place for example

there's a great deal of difference in trying to have a conversation with someone in a group meeting versus taking somebody for a walk outside in the park you'll get a very different quality of conversation depending on what you do. assume that you need to do and more work to help people speak up when you think. so i research shows that the more senior you are the more likely you are to think that people are speaking up when they're not and we call this the optimism bubble if you find yourself thinking you have people are speaking up while round here then challenge your assumptions. and chief executives we interviewed really wanted to help his team to speak up but he confided to us that he had a little list in his mind of the people that he listened to and the people that he

didn't but you and i we all have these little lists who's on you was very often the voices we hear are a lot like our own and they're from people that look like us it means that you're not aware of others' experiences within your organization and potentially outside of it as well sac see need to be reaching out and connecting with those groups. to send signals to others all the time through our body and verbal language and some of those signals help others to speak up and some keep them silent the moment after someone has spoken up. your response will determine whether a bad person and probably that colleagues will speak up next time i'm afraid that 9

times out of 10 you might respond really well unfortunately it's that 10. that everybody will remember and talk about that time when you were really tired or you were really stressed so if you do kind of make a mistake and you do realize in hindsight that you've reacted in a way that might be detrimental they reach out to that person. helping people to speak up at work matters it matters for us it matters to them and one of the most important things i've talked about is our ability to create a safe environment where people can speak up. and i have my 5 points tips will enable me to do that at the end of the day doing the right thing is everyone's responsibility but the responsibility and liability grows the higher up

the institutional ladder you go how do leaders and sure that ethical standards are adhere to some scandal hit companies now invest a lot of money in compliance our reporter holzman spoke to the chief executive of one such company building up a construction firm with business around the world who say they have managed to clean up their act. in germany they think a little gift is a good way to maintain friendships and make new ones so i brought along a bottle of red wine and a small envelope. let's assume you have. brought you a little something things but obviously i can't accept this on blow by have to give it back he didn't think maybe the reason i'd like to like to think that really but i'd hoped our interview would be especially nice. compliance is full compliance is

very important to us so we're always very careful i have to pass everything on to our head of compliance put it to good use. 6. compliance means sticking to rules against corruption blades wants to show that that's now the norm at his company building or in recent years corruption has been an issue. which produces and install spec to equipment worldwide. the biggest corruption case emerged in nigeria and 2003 where a subsidiary paid bribes to the government to lend contracts built figure was fined $32000000.00. the us department of justice is also watching bill finger closely because the scandal involved an american joint venture partner. blades and his predecessors have had to provide regular updates on their compliance since the case

against the company was proven saying out of nothing for 510 years after the event we had to pay a fine was an unsigned deferred prosecution agreement and deferred prosecution agreement as i am takes lays down what we have to do to make sure we show that we're compliant in this and and that we remain compliant in the future as well compliance leave. compliance not. in the. blaine's was born in hamburg to a british father and a german mother he has worked in germany since the late 1990 s. and came to build in europe in me 2016 so it's ok. but he sees it all so you took over just at the time of the nigeria case. wait a month or take a step back. one day and please mind that sign here is that part of compliance no it's health and safety was the one you were telling me to grab the railing come on mr blades you don't do that all the time surely it's my each and every time because

rule number 2 be a good example. and says this is all right setting a good example this is ok. this is where we arrived at building or as it was dealing with the fallout from nigeria. you know that's right it was under way. you could have gone to work for a company with fewer challenges one perhaps with more positive prospects right if you know anything so i didn't come here because of the corruption when i came here because this company is undergoing a transformational offended because i've been working for almost 40 years on the industrial services business that's why i said yes i'll go for that on the sins of the so as of. one building or says it set up a compliant system what does that mean. compliances i include guns i'm not a smile my answer is quite straightforward it's keeping

a promise of integrity you've got a very simple example is what's appropriate when the say you're in talks with a client and decide ok let's go for something to eat you know what's appropriate there if it's a president someone from the very top of it then what's appropriate is very different from what's appropriate when you're out with the guys from the construction sites and cooling off the ball state isn't. it wasn't only nigeria at the world cup in brazil $124.00 team a subsidiary was accused of crimes to get contracts. the company. just half what kind of penalties did employees face. regarding malfeasance or corruption that basically. this is after the radical case as well but we have to be prepared for such cases initially we'd hand the contract back because we cheated to get it. when we'd start an investigation to find out who was behind it all.

and that deploys would have to reckon with us filing a criminal complaint with prosecutors. miss and other to also be internal consequences including sacking people. and they'd have to expect we'd also want compensation. yes we lost the contract. give us a shade. for me it's about hygiene for me it's just like with a hospital if a hospital isn't clean then it's a bad hospital it's not about good or bad doctors want to hospitals no longer queen size that you simply wouldn't go there and have indeed. stayed. right an understanding of the need for the others were to find it you know let's go figure because i just. saw the divine so i left the wine here it's up stairs in the compliance department it will be catalogued and maybe turn up in a raffle to raise money for a good cause obviously tom blades didn't keep the cash and the same ethical rules

apply to me as a journalist with 0 tolerance for bribery. remember if you see something say something although we know that can be hard that's it for this edition of may thanks very much for watching see you again soon.

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