i see just from my shop on my desk on policies and development. on current issues that. security actually. i'm not going to cheat so much meaning and i feel people have to be accountable. i mean this i'm a touchy about you know why can't you tell me. why i don't think that trying to pick a fight it's one country one system now isn't it and it was a cover up that not only right are right and also spoke about goes right through my system doesn't it china is roiling the west and europe along with the u.s. in many countries is pushing back hard at issue a growing list of human rights concerns including hong kong's new security law my

guest this week from beijing is wang who yeah out of government adviser who heads the think tank the center the china and globalization why seems country thinking so many fights these days and where are they all meeting. dr wang julio welcome to conflict zone thank you europe's getting fed up with beijing's threatening behavior and telling politicians here where they can go and who they can talk to telling the nobel prize committee who it can award and who it can't what made your government think it could push europe around like this what i thought of the 1st time for you to hear that but i don't think that that was the government position or there could be misunderstanding or. you know there's a maybe there's a lot of comedy. asian whatever i. heard from you i don't hear anything from that.

here in china i don't think so well perhaps you don't hear about it in china but just days ago the german in foreign minister hiker mass told beijing bluntly to stop threatening europe after a senior czech politician has gone to taiwan and addressed its parliament your government had warned he'd pay a heavy price for his visit there that's bullying isn't it no i don't think that it was really probably understood in a rug i think that you know one china policy has been. hold and has been really maintained for the last. 4050 years and also it's the basis of china establish diplomatic ties with all the 'd countries that have is american relation with china so so i think country publish should. really safeguard is one china policy and not having those off issue

a high level visit so i think it's a i can't stand china is not happy and you know the maybe the speaker maybe reflect that. satisfaction so so i hope that. this is not to be interpreted. as a china sweater or anything so so that is poverty a different operations but don't when you may not like western politicians visiting taiwan or chinese nationals being awarded nobel prizes but that's your problem isn't it i mean these repeated attempts to impose your own prejudices and insecurities on to the international community aren't really doing you any good a tall are you it's counterproductive wow i think that probably. country has set up diplomatic and ties with china i'm sure they go through the they've gone through the diplomatic establish in relation talks. and they have actually

already. a bit by certain principles and the guidance so if they recognize one china policy and then that one china policy it does not. you know also reflect the official contact between the other country and taiwan and that should really be respected i think so if certain countries doing that china certainly has a right to. you know express their opinions as well i think that china just express its satisfaction and it's all opinion i think that should not be interpreted any more than that well if you intended a strong reaction if you intended a strong reaction from the european union you got it because it's foreign policy chief you don't have burrell code china your government expansionist or thora tarion and the new empire that undermines international law did you really want to

pick a fight with your largest export market one thing that china is the picking a fight always with china largest market and no i mean it's probably both market for both those regions as well and as i said you know there are certain. guidelines and principles $11.00 country is that is a diplomatic ties and the recognize one china policy and national. wire lated or bridged and if that is happen china certainly have a right to protest and the give. in the dissatisfaction and those so his comment i think that's fair fair you know that's not expansionist perhaps you're just too sensitive about free speech and free contact because you don't exactly have a lot of it in china yourself do you know as well non-government. we don't

understand lot of. probably government policy so we speak from non-government private think time point of view but you are a government advisor here you are listed in your own facebook page as a government advisor you advise the government then we have would do otherwise i think that does does of vices too of course but the we are not the government we have not got the officials we advise and think time does otherwise people of course but when our government so so i'm not a common spokes person so so so if i knew if i think time understanding i can explain but some i don't know i so i i cannot satisfy you of course so you are you telling me you are surprised that the kind of language that china uses these days when it's dealing with the west and dealing with other countries i mean we have examples like your embassy in venezuela told those who talked about the china virus they told them to put on a face mask and shut up is that the kind of diplomatic language you think is

a good idea for china to use these days well the situation you've been describing some of them haven't i haven't heard before but. i think that maybe there is a contest or there or is there is china is also under a lot of attacks and. so i think we should really have a dialogue we should have come to the occasion of visiting i so the only thing that is pandemic has stopped. people to people exchanges and stop the many visit and also many exchanges. between china and our cyber war so that's very unfortunate and i hope that. we should overcome that one when pandemic is under control i think the government is doing its best and also we see that the visuals are visiting some countries to conduct exchanges of dialogue which is a great i mean we did that you. foreign minister came to europe and he warned again

last month about the consequences of giving awards to hong kong's pro-democracy movement if you're complaining about coercive diplomacy from washington on your then you try practicing the same coercive diplomacy on europe that's hypocrisy isn't it i think there could be some misunderstanding i think on the issue of hong kong certainly i think that. young people have some legitimate concern of the widening. gap between rich and poor and things like that so i think the chinese government has realized that it is so the their land to this great bay project so there are many policies shoed so the young people can come to integrate bring ground an area to have a work have a study to settle down there so the sort of that many users has been has been noted

in addressing that but on the other hand i don't think we need a chaotic hong kong where airports is blocked and. you know bystander were put on a gasolines and that's that's just council was stalled and smashed. shop and a lot of the wise counsel you know to expect what do you expect when china has been whittling away at the territories freedoms for some time now we've seen a crackdown on the people who led protests in 2014 we saw booksellers kidnapped and turning up strangely on the mainland because you didn't like the books that they were selling and now this new security law which is being condemned by many countries around the world as well as un human rights expert fact is this new law violates both the letter and the spirit of the basic law in hong kong and it was brought to you without any consultation so beijing now rules what i think the hong kong that is why that is why. well our upset in hong kong. understand the

situation but i think the hong kong also need stability and also order and the law of course and central government of course according to the basic law they have the right for the fans the policy and security of all the countries has a security law and china is no exception so i think that you can say now the hong home the stock market is back and that they are now prepared for the largest i.p.o. in a war or divestment are back to hong kong and. it's got in business is back to normal gradually so i think that people will understand in the long run it's going to be really good for hong kong if we have these. peace and the prosperity and security return back to china or to hong kong of course but of course. there's there's always people more objectives once more accomplished more but it takes time

you know in the graduate one british rule hong kong 400 years the never give them any democracy so you can expect that. you know very very so with china of course but i think you know the times online come to when you haven't you have you know given hong kong stability with this new security law you've simply imposed a dictatorship in a police state the un human rights experts who just written to your government aren't buying the stability argument what worries them in their words is that cut tel moment of freedoms of expression peaceful assembly and association and the interference with the ability of civil society organizations to perform their more full function and we've already seen that happening haven't we you talk about stability being coming back to hong kong and healthy markets since the new law came in dozens of key pro-democracy figures have been detained including 2 long. makers'

that's not that's not stability that's a police state that you've imposed what you're sort of the has your interpretations but i think that basically you know you have and what happened in the u.s. you know you can present probably the now allow any violence or any. deletions or disorder so so the of course john is not perfect. you know there's no. perfect policy but you know probably china was forced to because you you know china has to maintain stability and the law and order there and so that all the multinationals companies can come back as not running away stock market account can be rebuilt and confidence can return the largest i.p.o. in the world can happen so so there's nothing is perfect of course but this is not this is not a way that is this is a long way from perfect dr wang isn't it i mean we've seen police already the

number but even the u.s. we've seen people east ready we're not talking about the u.s. we're talking about hong kong here and beijing's actually. and we've seen the fundamental freedoms turned into crimes by this new security law which you've introduced and the rest of the world did you think they wouldn't notice we had a joint statement last month from the governments of australia canada new zealand u.k. us saying the law was eroding hong kong's people hong kong's fundamental rights and liberties and you your answer to that is well nothing's perfect but the markets are doing well what i'm saying is that hong kong as. a part of china as one country to assist you know they need to also it's one country one system now isn't it and. well let me let me finish something you keep interrupting me what i'm saying is that on the stability and of course. law as well because

hong kong cannot be for the last 6789 months i mean there in the last year hong kong is basically dysfunctional and it's paralyzed and been airport a block. people were put on the all you to burn you know on bystanders and a lot of trouble stop no country in the world with allow that and then there's those people would have loved friends tell me that they don't feel secure in hong kong anymore to those like legal ground to doing something did you think down to one the people of hong kong would simply sit by and watch their freedoms erode and being eroded by beijing and not do anything about it. did you really think that then one you miscalculated bad all i think that. you know that you have suddenly people you hung on. to have a different opinions of course that is that is obvious by the but also you have to

really think that one is the new national security establishment there's almost $3000000.00 you know voted. in favor of this law so so that is that is also a fact that we should not exact but the but let let the time speak for itself let the market speak for ourselves let's let the people's final acceptance for it's the 1st of i think would we shouldn you know there's only. 2 or 3 months from this low but let's take a longer view as you say we can see the long in fact what we see on the longer view we've already seen what that long view is going to look like because i pointed out you dozens of pro-democracy figures have been detained not only that but police have raided the offices of apple daily one of the few news outlets that beijing doesn't control the paper's founder jimmy lai was arrested together with 8 of the

men he was later released on bail but the damage is already being done freedom's been torn up the basic law is being torn up and and you're having your new security law superimposed on top of it so we can see which way it is going and people don't like that and if you think the rest of the world is going to sit by and just praise the markets you seem to have miscalculated don't you because that's not the attitude of the rest of the world. i think that is what i mean china's reputation well well there was no there's no perfect solutions definitely i think that. the parities to maintain the law and order and also the security i think after all hong kong. you know where we're heading no huge casualties or life been lost in hong kong even though this whole your demonstration of violence going on so i think the governor was quite quite. reserved on that and what we see of the u.s.

army where they have acquired a number of a cache of these already so so i think we have to really take into consideration that this is one country 2 system is the new new system nobody does it before nobody has done it before it's always have a lot of. you know trial and you know touching the stone cause in the river. so so we have to you know i mean improving this process but i think my problem in the process you by and by responding back to order yeah you are proving the process by arresting pro-democracy figures trust in china as i mentioned a little while ago it's plummeting despite what's seen as your growing influence a survey by the bertelsmann foundation showed that in the 4 months up to may this year negative views of china have increased in several countries by double digits a clear majority now in the us fronts and germany now have adverse views about china's rise the highest figure being 61 percent in germany did you want your

country to be so unpopular around the world i think that's well that's a problem of the perception of china. china is negative and this guy didn't get in in a more negative now but i think. on the part of both china and also our war i think we really need to increase the communication for example china is doing for quite well all those k.p. i live in in terms of if you measure the countries trying to become the 2nd largest economy in 4 decades china embrace the globalization china is the largest trade in asia was 130 countries you have a country and china and china is not one cent of china g.d.p. growth and china china is also leave 800000000 people out of private accounting 70 percent of. war poverty level so they have a contribution in almost a total war but i think you know we need to really explain the well and then probably we need to have a better. look at china because i think was on the ward you know the west encounter

neither be more tolerant of china if the chinese do while you know like there is obvious server doesn't matter it's all white cat black cat as long as it catches mice with a contribution to the 31 3rd of the world g.d.p. gross you know never become a. conqueror any. continent or countries or sending troops to other countries or fighting in advance like i want them to when you examine your call for more tolerable example for example for my last dollar that's the french that no but the but also you know how lonesome a $10.70 weakest locked up in riyadh so-called reeducation camps tolerance of persecution of christians is that the kind of tolerance that you're looking for from the outside oh i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't think you interpret that right i think the tolerant china that they are from development model have a different path have a different system because we you know it was say or china didn't come virgin the china can't be you know we need them all

a diversity of this world we can't just open some pressure and we're not talking about the convergence diverging the world is complaining about your human rights record continually and the locking up the incarceration of a 1000000 weak is engine jang province this is what they're complaining about i think because of this you have a you know as far as. as far as i can see there are there is no hard evidence or proof. but they'd hard to say that i mean there is us time will start on it's been published around the world in chinese instructions so the people who stuff these incarceration counts it's been printed no matter where it's my published nor i don't. you know i read the words all i mean there's a there's a. there's a white paper published by the chinese government they were saying all of the people in this. school has been graduated already and you know and

also to prevent you know you know 510 years ago there was a plague by the terrorists attacks all band of hundreds of thousands of lives were lost dr wang perhaps you'd agree that one of the main causes of the rest of the world losing trust in china was your handling of the corona virus outbreak in will happen at the beginning of the year and the shocking way in which local officials in blue have tried to silence the one doctor who sounded the alarm i wonder what it says about your society that when officials of the communist party are faced with bad news their 1st response is to try to cover it up that tactic lost both you and the rest of the world valuable time in dealing with this pandemic in the. and you're sort of all over that of a question but but what i what i've tried as is that i think that to you know. when they 1st discovered in one han. chinese authority as the report that to the

show as a report out of the united states and all the other countries of course the doctors that who was of find these are the very beginning but but you know this is a disease never never happened in the history of mankind nobody knows about that and that should not send a false alarm as well you should really be proven and tested and also very 5 by x. per that is really badly lethal disease and if that is actually was that they reach that point where they come to the conclusion they are in middle of a shutdown 10000000 people city they immediately shut down 6 the bill in the hope the province they actually you know at the chinle now is doing the best there's no single case of current locally on a daily basis for the last a month or 2 so so in general when it's done right well i'm not trying hard i know you're ignore the fact that dr lee when youn lee when down when he

1st talked about the emergence of a viral outbreak he was coded into the police to the public security bureau accused of making false statement the severely disturbed the social order and he was and it a letter which read we solemnly warn you if you keep being stubborn with such impertinence and continue this illegal activity you'll be brought to justice do you understand he had the right i do underneath the law absolutely right your rights you know this is what happened this is what happened it was a cover up that not only right are right it's also sort of goes right through his system doesn't it. you have your interpretations by the what i see is actually you know the officer who who talked to. the u.n. has been sacked has been punished and there's a number of officials the in the party secretary has been residing at the hospital ship has resigned there's a there's a number of cases has been handled the by the local government i think there could

be local officials somewhere that didn't want to tell the bad news maybe about we had some initial pressures but but later on i think one that got me to realize this is a deadly disease they were snow time to do you should the warriors to lock down the cities which is never done so you know history of my kind of a 6 to be an improv is locked down for this to say months so they pay their prize they have also experiment all the ways of how to account come pain and the count come back this disease quarantine no social distance you know and massive testing and you know they think the experiment all those methodology and now is widely practiced internationally so so i think china should give some credit for 45 years but given what you haven't given me that they have in the atmosphere good enough for a given the initial cover ups and we have a u.s. intelligence report in june saying that even a senior politicians in beijing were scrambling to get accurate data from officials local officials they themselves still played

a role in obscuring the outbreak by keeping information back from the world health organization so i ask you will we ever discover the real truth about what beijing knew and when it knew it will we ever discover that while we we have to think to a level we don't know all the details but what we've seen you know from from all and go from the same time point a lot of these you know you know the cases the war on is only a very initial i mean probably a week or 2 they were little be done you know find out the real cause of the disease and then rig really to make a right announcement to the world at the beginning nobody does know this is that lead is going to be the pandemic this is going to those swept the world nobody knows about that so so they have to be careful in the. klayman it's such a that with these it's also i think that the beginning there's a little little phrase i think that even a little. contemplating understand that but once they have all the doctors have. to prove that this is a bad business there was no plan to lock down the whole city and shot all the flies

all right did all the things the right things or also not i mean i'm telling you things like everything's perfect dr wang we're out we're running out of the time thank you very much for being on conflict so thank you all for. the book the boogie. to. cut. cut.

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