i. tried racism. this documentary the few traces that remain of the existence. i think that trying to fight for its one country one system now isn't it and it was a cover up that not only are right in the old silk route goes right through my system doesn't it china is roiling the west and europe along with the us in many countries is pushing back hard at issue a growing list of human rights concerns including hong kong's new security law my guest this week from beijing is one who yout government advisor who heads the think tank the center for china and globalization why is his country thinking so many

fights these days and where are they on leading. dr wang who go welcome to conflict zone thank you europe's getting fed up with beijing's threatening behavior and telling politicians here where they can go and who they can talk to telling the nobel prize committee who it can award and who it can't what made your government think it could push europe around like this what 1st time for you to hear that but i don't think that that was the government position or there could be misunderstanding or. you know there was a maybe there's a lot of communication whatever. i heard from you i don't hear anything from that. here in china i don't think so well perhaps you don't hear about it in china but just days ago. the german in foreign minister hiker mass told beijing bluntly to

stop threatening europe after a senior czech politician has gone to taiwan and addressed its parliament your government had warned he'd pay a heavy price for his visit there that's bullying isn't it no i don't think that it was really probably understood in a rug i think that you know one china policy has been. hold and has been really maintained for the last. 4050 years and also it's the basis of china establish diplomatic ties with all the countries that have is american relation with china so so i think country publish should. really safeguard is one china policy and not having those official high level visit so i think it's a i can't stand china is not happy and you know the they may be the

speaker may be reflect that. satisfaction so so i hope that. this is not to be interpreted. as a china threat or anything souls or that is poverty a different operations but also when you may not like western politicians visiting taiwan or chinese nationals being awarded a nobel prizes but that's your problem isn't it i mean these repeated attempts to impose your own prejudices and insecurities onto the international community aren't really doing you any good a tall are you it's counterproductive wow i think that probably a country has set up a diplomatic and ties with china i'm sure they go through the they've gone through the diplomatic establish in relation talks and they have actually already. by certain principles and the guidance so if they recognize one china. policy and then that one china policy does not.

also reflect the off issue contact between the other country and taiwan and that should really be respected i think so if certain countries doing that china certainly has a right to. express their opinions as well i think that china just expressed its satisfaction on its opinion so i think that should not be interpreted any more than that well if you intended a strong reaction if you intended a strong reaction from the european union you got it because its foreign policy chief you don't have burrell code china your government expansionist or thora tarion and the new empire that undermines international law did you really want to pick a fight with your largest export market well i don't think that china is the picking a fight always with china largest market and no i mean it's probably both market

for both those regions as well and as i said you know there are certain. guidelines and principles $11.00 country is that is a diplomatic ties and the recognize one china policy and national. wire lated or bridged and if that is happen china certainly have a right to protest and the give. in the dissatisfaction and those so his comment i think that's that's fair fair you know that's not expansionist but you're just too sensitive about free speech and free contacts because you don't exactly have a lot of it in china yourself do you you know as well non-government think we don't understand lot of. probably government policy so we speak from non-government private think that. point of view but you are

a government advisor who you are listed on your own facebook page as a government advisor you advise the government that we have would do otherwise i think that does does of vices too of course but the we are not the government we have not got the officials we advise and think time does advise people of course but we are not the government so so i'm not a government spokesperson so so so if i knew if i think i'm standing i can explain but some i don't know i so i i cannot satisfy you of course so you are you telling me you are surprised that the kind of language that china uses these days when it's dealing with the west and dealing with other countries i mean we have big big samples like your embassy in venezuela told those who talked about the china virus and told them to put on a face mask and shut up is that the kind of diplomatic language you think is a good idea for china to use these days well the situation you've been describing some of them haven't i haven't heard before but. i think that maybe there is

a contest or there or is there is china is also under a lot of attacks and. so i think we should really have a dialogue we should have come to the occasion of visiting i certainly think that this pandemic has stopped. people to people exchanges and stop the many visit and also many exchanges. between china and our cyber war so that's very unfortunate and i hope that. you know we should overcome that one damn xander control i think the government is doing its best and also we see that the visuals of visiting some countries to conduct exchanges of dialogue which is a great i mean we did that your foreign minister came to europe and he warned again last month about the consequences of giving awards to hong kong's pro-democracy movement if you can. claiming about coercive diplomacy from washington on your when

you try practicing the same coercive diplomacy on europe that's hypocrisy isn't it i think there could be some in misunderstanding i think on the issue of hong kong certainly i think that. young people have some legitimate concern of the widening. gap between rich and poor and things like that so i think the chinese government has realized that and so the they launched this great baby project so there are many policies shoot so the young people can come to integrate burying ground an area to have a work to have a study to settle down there so the sort of that many years has been has been noted in the dressing that but on the other hand i don't think we need a chaotic hong kong where airports is blocked and. you know bystander were put on the gasolines and that's just council with stalled and smashed.

shop and not analyzed the whole expect what do you expect when china has been whittling away at the territories freedoms for some time now we've seen a crackdown on the people who led protests in 2014 we saw booksellers kidnapped and turning up strangely on the mainland because you didn't like the books that they were selling and now this new security law which is being condemned by many countries around the world as well as un human rights expert fact is this new law violates both the letter and the spirit of the basic law in hong kong and it was brought to you without any consultation so beijing now rules what i think the hong kong that is why that is why people are upset in hong kong. walk understand the situation but i think the hong kong also need stability and also. order

and the law of course and central government of course according to the basic law they have the right for defense the policy and security of all the countries has a security law and china is no exception so i think that you can say now the hong home the stock market is back and that they are now prepared for the largest i.p.o. in the war or divestment are back to hong kong and hong kong is got in business is back to normal gradually so i think that people will understand in the long run it's going to be really good for hong kong if we have these. peace and the prosperity and security return back to china or to hong kong of course but of course. there's always people more objectives once more accomplished more but it takes time you know in the graduate one british rule hong kong 400 years of the never give them any democracy so you can expect that. you

know very versed so with china of course but i think you know the underlying dumped when you haven't you haven't given hong kong stability with this new security law you've simply imposed a dictatorship and a police state the un human rights experts who just written to your government aren't buying the stability argument what worries them in their words is that cut tail moment of freedoms of expression peaceful assembly and the société ssion and the interference with the ability of civil society organizations to perform their more full function and we've already seen that happening haven't we you talk about stability being coming back to hong kong and healthy markets since the new law came in dozens of key pro-democracy figures have been detained including 2 lawmakers that's not support that's not stability that's a police state that you've imposed what you're sort of the has your interpretations but i think that. basically you know even though what happened in the us you

know you can present from within our law any violence or any. delay shoes or this or other so so the of course john is not perfect. you know there's no. perfect policy but you know probably china was forced to because you know china has to maintain stability and the law and order there and so that all the multinationals companies can come back as not running away stock market account can be rebuilt and confidence can return the largest i.p.o. in the world can happen so so there's nothing is perfect of course but this is not this is a lovely way that surfing is this is a long way from perfect dr wang isn't it i mean not if you've seen police or in the weather but i have in the us we've seen people east reagan we're not talking about the u.s. we're talking about hong kong here and beijing's as part of and we've seen the

fundamental freedoms turned into crimes by this new security law which you've introduced and the rest of the world did you think they wouldn't notice we had a joint statement last month from the governments of australia canada new zealand u.k. us saying the law was eroding hong kong people hong kong's fundamental rights and liberties and you your answer to that is well nothing's perfect but the markets are doing well well what i'm saying is that hong kong as. a part of china as one country to assist you know they need to also it's one country one system now isn't it and well let me let me finish you keep interrupting me what i'm saying is that hong kong needs stability and of course. law as well because hong kong cannot be for the last 60. my mind's i mean there in the last year

hong kong is basically dysfunctional and paralyzed and to be in airport abroad. people were put on the all you to burn you know bystanders and a lot of trouble stop no country in the world with allow that and there's no people would have loved france hermie that they don't feel secure in hong kong any more to go cycling than that doing something do you think down to one the people of hong kong would simply sit by and watch their freedoms erode and being eroded by beijing and not do anything about it. if you really think that then why don't you miscalculated bad all i think that. you know you have suddenly people you hung on. to have a different opinions of course that is that is obvious by the but also you have to really think that one is the new national security. establishment there's almost $3000000.00 you know voted. in favor of this law so so

that is that is also a fact that we should not exact but the but let let the time speak for itself let the market speak for ourselves let's let the people's final acceptance for it's the 1st of i think would we shouldn you know there's only several 2 or 3 months from this low but let's take a longer view as you say we can see the long in fact what we see on the longer view we've already seen what that long view is going to look like because as i've pointed out you've dozens of pro-democracy figures have been detained not only that but police have raided the offices of apple daily one of the few news outlets that beijing doesn't control the paper's founder jimmy lai was arrested together with 8 of the men he was later released on bail but the damage is already being done freedom's been torn up the basic law is being torn up and and you're having your

new security no super imposed on top of it so we can see which way it is going and people don't like that and if you think the rest of the world is going to sit by and just praise the markets you seem to have miscalculated don't you because that's not the attitude of the rest of the world what i think that is that i'm damaged china's reputation well there was there was the there is no perfect solutions definitely i think that. parities them intended law and order and also their security i think after all hong kong. you know where we have been no huge casualties or life been lost in hong kong even though this whole your demonstration of violence going on so i think the government was required to quiet. reserved on that and what we see of the the u.s. army where they have acquired a number of casualties already so so i think we have to really take into consideration that this is one country 2 system is the new new system nobody does

it before nobody has done it before it's always have a lot of. you know trial and you know touching the stone cause in the river. so so we have to you know i mean improving this process but i came across in the process levi in bahrain talking back to order yeah you are proving the process by arresting pro-democracy figures trust in china as i mentioned a little while ago and is plummeting despite what's seen as your growing influence a survey by the bertelsmann foundation showed that in the 4 months up to may this year negative views of china have increased in several countries by double digits a clear majority now in the us fronts and germany now have adverse views about china's rise the highest figure being 61 percent in germany did you want your country to be so unpopular around the world i think that's where that's a problem about the perception of china. china is a negative and it's got in. in

a more negative now but i think. on the part of both china and also our war i think we really need to increase the communication for example china is doing for quite well all those k p i in in terms of if you measure the countries trying to become the 2nd largest economy in 4 decades china embrace the globalization china is the largest trade in asia was 130 countries you have a country and china and china is not one cent of china g.d.p. gross and china china is also live to 800000000 people out of province economies 70 percent of the. war poverty level so they have a contribution in almost a total war but i think you know we need to really explain the well and then probably we need to have a better. look at china because i think was on the world you know the western country neither be more tolerant of china if the chinese do while you know like there is obviously a dozen matters of whitechapel aca as long as it catches mice with a contribution to the 31 3rd of the world g.d.p.

gross you know never become a. conqueror any. continent or countries or sending troops to other countries or fighting in advance like i want them to when you examine your call for more tolerance example for example for my last dollar that's the french that the yeah but the but also you know how lonesome a $1.70 weakest locked up in rio and so-called reeducation camps tolerance of persecution of christians is that the kind of tolerance that you're looking for from the outside no i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't think you interpret that right i think the tolerant china has a different development model have a different path have a different system because we you know it was say or china didn't come virgin that china can't be you know we need a mall a diversity of this world we can't just open source run fresh and we're not talking about inviting one diverging the world is complaining about your human rights

record continually and the locking up the incarceration of a 1000000 weak is engine jang province this is what they're complaining about i think because of this you have a you know as far as. as far as i can see there is there is no hard evidence or proof or credible data to say that i mean there is cause china will start on it's been published around the world and chinese instructions to the people who stuff these incarceration camps it's been printed no matter when or if my publisher nor i don't. read the west all i mean there's a there's a there's a white paper published by the drivers government they were saying all the people in there is. in our school has been graduated already and you know and also to prevent you know you know 510 years ago there was a plague by the terrorism taxol hundreds of 1000 lives were lost dr wang perhaps

you'd agree that one of the main causes of the rest of the world losing trust in china was your handling of the corona virus outbreak in wu han at the beginning of the year and the shocking way in which local officials in blue hand tried to silence the one doctor who sounded the alarm i wonder what it says about your society that when officials of the communist party are faced with bad news their 1st response is to try to cover it up that tactic lost both you and the rest of the world valuable time in dealing with this pandemic in the. you're a suit of all over that of a question but but what i tried as is that i think that you know the cove in 19 when they 1st discovered what han. chinese authority has the report that to the show as a report out of the united states and all the other countries of course the doctors that who was of find the disease at the very beginning but but you know this is

a disease never never happened in the history of mankind nobody knows about that and then you should not send a false alarm as well you should really be proven and tested and also verified by x. birth that is really badly lethal disease and if that is actually was that they reach that point where they come to the conclusion they are the middle of a shutdown 10000000 people city they immediately shut down 6 the bill in the hope a province they actually you know at the chinle now is doing the best there's no single case of current locally on a daily basis for the last a month or 2 or so so in general when it's done right well i'm not trying hard i know you're weak know the fact that dr lee when youn leave when yeah when he 1st talked about the emergence of a viral outbreak he was called into the police to the public security bureau accused of making false statement the severely disturbed the social order and he

was and it a letter which read we solemnly warn you if you keep being stubborn with such impertinence and continue this illegal activity you'll be brought to justice do you understand he had to write i do underneath that no no i'm saying that you're right you're right you know this is what happened this is what happened it was a cover up that not only right are right it's also cover up goes right through our system doesn't it. you have your interpretations but what i see is actually you know the officer who who talked to. the un has been sacked has been punished and though there's a number of officials the in the party secretary has been residing at the hospital ship has resigned there is a there's a number of cases has been had of the by the local government i think there could be local officials somewhere that didn't want to tell the bad news maybe about we had some initial pressures but but later on i think one the got to realize this is

a deadly disease there were no time to do you should the warriors the lock down the cities which is never done so you know history of mankind have a 60000000000 province locked down for its 2 story months so they pay the price they have also experiment all the ways of how to account come pain and come back this disease a quarantine of social distance you know and massive testing and you know they experiment all those methodology and now is widely practiced internationally so so i think china should give some credit for for 5 years now given what you haven't given me that they even though you have an issue with them for a given the initial cover ups and you have a u.s. intelligence report in june saying that even a senior politicians in beijing were scrambling to get accurate data from officials local officials they themselves still played a role in obscuring the outbreak by keeping information back from the world health organization so i ask you will we ever discover the real truth about what beijing

knew and what it knew it will we ever discover that while we we have to think the level we don't know all the details but what are we seeing you know from from all and go from the same time point to look at these you know you know the casing. is only a very initial i mean probably a week or 2 they were a little be done you know find of the real cause of the disease and then we really to make a right announcement to the world at the beginning nobody would know this is that really this is going to be the pandemic this is going to those swept the world nobody knows about that so so they have to be careful in. klayman it's such a at that with these it's also i think at the beginning there's a little little face that patiently did a little. contemplating understand that but once they have all the doctors have to prove that this is a bed because there's no plan 1st lock down the whole city and shot all the flies all right did all the things the right things or also solo i mean. everything's perfect dr wang we're out we're running out of the time thank you very much for

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