across the curdles so this thing this notion that this is somehow a win win all round that's nuts johnson being economical with the truth and they're going to make up for all of what you said with this notion of a new britain. yeah i mean this might be an interesting point to bring in i think that we haven't touched on yet which is foreign security policy and i used to be based in brussels not remember at the time soon after the break that referendum will sort of try to figure out what was going to happen how these negotiations were going to work the general assumption was that it was going to be a nightmare to negotiate both with george agreement and then the economic trade deal that would follow but it was a nobody's interest nobody wanted any sort of great rupture on foreign security defense policy and this was a place this is one area where britain did has very substantial cards to play being a major foreign security player but actually in the end what happened is that you have very very little in that at all and that was at the request of the british i do little bit less attention to that understandably than we have to the economic aspects of the deal but i'm to be very curious to see how person decides to use

what i suppose you could call the freedom that is procured for itself on foreign policy here and one thing to watch is the so-called 3 grouping britain france and germany which was crucial in negotiating the nuclear deal with iran back in 2015 this is about you talk to diplomats on all sides and they're all interested in retaining this grouping and not only on the iranian file so this is going to be one way should it choose to do so for britain to retain one foot in the european foreign policy space ok tanya nimble written i still want to go back to it because it is important this is the brave new world this is the future where you know we can talk about formal serenity and formal autonomy but we live in a world in which states and people are increasingly interdependent so the question is how much you can actually make of your of your formal sovereignity in terms of negotiating new trade deals the e.u. is the largest economic block in the world and. it has concluded

a whole number but a reasonably of trade deal with japan with south korea with important trading nation and britain china exactly china is and britain will have to do it on its own and of course it's bargaining power which may be much lower in comparison to the e.u. when you talk about the power i tried to sort of imagine what strategy they're going to adopt what they're sort of you cooper terms you would try what is there you know what is britain's unique selling point now that that's exactly the point that britain doesn't have an. we still just yesterday boris johnson said oh i'd like some ideas from british businesses about what's deregulation we would like to see a handle on we've been trying to have this argument about brakes it for 4 years already like you want to be basically all good for your rational off the ready going through with the whole thing now it britain had a clear idea of essentially say we're going to be a world power in biotech or a world power or an artificial intelligence or in data services or whatever it might be and could focus heavily on natural or on

a few small points but that idea is not beyond just the logic of logic slogans from the british government of the moment so you'd need a parm and we basically still don't have one from the british government and if i may add that little plan they had was destroyed by the deal because they dreamt of becoming a kind of a text evan wright financial services no agreement and if they believe they can become a take say then and export of financial services to the e.u. be my guess and secondly this whole idea of deregulating right in order to produce cheaper and then become more competitive is gone out of the window by the e.u. insisting on a level playing field it's an interesting domestic component that which i don't think anybody really saw coming which is the the majority that this government has a very substantial majority was built in part on winning seats so-called redwall previously held labor seats with a very different sort of a lecture than the conservative party normally has these are not. you want to see

britain turn into the sort of you know a single poll tax haven no tax low regulation sort of space welfare state so there is potentially a very big political tension here between some of the arguments that were made from one of the kits and constituencies of the brakes at block a few years ago and then the people who it was who enabled the conservative party to have this very substantial majority and enable them to get rid of all of the problems that reason may have to deal with because she didn't have majority so that watching how that tension plays out in the next years is going to be one of the interesting domestic political aspects of this i think it sometimes seems that this sort of the great british people really would like to live the european lifestyle. an anglo-saxon tax regime doesn't really go there if you look at that if you look at the percentage of of british g.d.p. which is in the hands of the state britain is actually not at the bottom of the league table if you compare it to starting year for example so there's

a bit of that but to me it's very interesting question is how how do the brits you see themselves you know particularly the english see themselves think we should turn it that way which is. you need to have some kind of national debate and discussion about where the strengths and weaknesses are what the limits are of what's been done but i don't see a country that's very kind of come to terms with what it's done at the moment it's a very shrill and very emotional debate going on in the u.k. and a government that's happy to keep on having that sort of showed an emotional debate you need to have some more fundamental political and economic questions boris johnson despite all you've just said boris johnson says it won't be a bad thing for the e.u. to have a prosperous dynamic contented u.k. on its doorstep to the u.k. is going to be sort of. prompting and courting the break with. habits of old maybe but the difficulty is that boris johnson had for. dear friends

in the e.u. and britain's trust a level of trust in the e.u. was very low or through through the process of negotiating this breaks that deal this physically the commitment in the so-called internal market deal to breaking international law and breaking a commitment already made so britain can only achieve that through practical action what british companies what british citizens do and how they behave if britain can make a success out of breaks it that will pose a challenge to the european union but at the moment it doesn't look to me particularly politically where the britain is capable of turning brakes it into a success because the british government is that incapable of setting a direction let alone actually implementing what it says 60 which. is. sounds a bit like. doesn't want to be a success i would be a little bit careful because i agree i made it would be beneficial for both sides if britain came out of that. strong because we need britain britain was an

extremely good member i mean despite all the. rhetoric written was. an exemplary member state in many respects it has the highest compliance with the law and it has played a very constructive role in foreign security policy but also other policy areas so we do have an interest in prospering and cooperating with the european union i just want to underline that i think it's. a couple of sets of code as to that. i mean we've been focusing on the economic example that britain might present the european union in the years to come to the extent that there's divergence and that is going to be crucial and it could pose a challenge in some respects to some parts of the european union but then there's the political example and i think that there's 2 things that i would mention one is that at the to you were touching on this. at the moment of brecht's it's and we should remember of course that donald trump was elected us president a few months afterwards there was this feeling of absolute terror in brussels and i

think in some other capitals as well this is this whole thing the whole system that we've constructed is on the verge of collapse and we're looking ahead of the time to the coming french presidential election and one thing we learned i think through this whole process and how couldn't clumsy it was is that britain has become a very good example for why shouldn't the e.u. it's very very damaging the 2nd thing which will need to watch in the months ahead really is whether this country that we've been calling the united kingdom can actually survive as a united kingdom we have elections in scotland in a few months time we have what is beginning to like a pretty solid substantial substantial majority in favor of independence in scotland now the. british government boris johnson's got. it says that they will not get a referendum so we may be headed toward some sort of political crisis between london edinburgh that and that but then of course we have the issue of northern ireland as well but i think the one thing we can say that is that the stability of

the united kingdom as a political unit is a lot less safe than it did in the past where i gave a hint that there is talk about the question can the u.k. really successfully go it alone just very briefly could scotland successfully go it alone could scotland prosper on its own because it's a big it's a relevant question yeah i think one of the ironies about breaks it in the way is it on the one hand it gave the independence movement a wonderful new argument within togs out of the e.u. against our will the circumstances a change we deserve another referendum on the other hand the fact of brics it creates a massive new headache for the s.n.p. and the separatists in that if scotland were to secede from britain then to rejoin the e.u. then all the sudden you have another border problem to deal with just like we have to deal with the northern ireland an island what are going to be the rules governing movement of people of goods and services across that border that wasn't an issue if england and scotland were both inside the e.u. it would become an issue and that would be

a very hard question for the separatists to have to ask for another independent review of the 30 certainly would be have a presupposed that got an independent scotland would become a member of the european union i don't i don't think that's what's going to happen it's at the heart of that proposition yes but i think you have to be make itself honest and admit that there is if it takes one member state to vote against it you can be should have will be think so forget about an independent scotland i don't see it so negatively because it would be an incredible geo political win that's for the e.u. to for britain become truly left to have split and to take a big part of it back again that would be presented as a victory i think you can spend to be persuaded. great guests great discussion thank you very high rise so wish we could continue it we've got so much now. all to say but sir i hope you enjoyed it and if you do come by much time around our choice to.

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