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discovery. documentary. he'd like to do it with very little approach and i understand that in the fishing industry it's not what be expected crystallizing be on your part and it's all you have to go on the european economy in terms all getting everything up and building there's a little bit unfair and it was in doubt right up to the last minute but on christmas eve the e.u. and britain clinched a free trade deal for the post directly below now at least in the u.k. there are some hard realities to deal with and plenty of shouts of betrayal my guest this week from aberdeen in scotland is andrew barley conservative m.p.
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i'm vice chairman of the conservative party why is boris johnson so economical with the truth and why did he write so many called the. underbelly of welcome to conflict zone thank you very much for pleasure to be here i guess you can argue about whether britain's 11th hour free trade deal with the e.u. is good or bad but whatever it is why did the prime minister have to lie about it i'm thinking about he's flat out denial that when montara barrios associated with the deal. well i don't think that using phrases like lies in any very helpful i mean what the prime minister is trying to explain is that this is a good deal for britain a good deal for the e.u. in the territories that were. far less of an obstruction that would be the case
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we have guards and all that the scaremongering and the stories about the cuban over the cuba cali and hold up comers knots and we are proceeding at an early age i'm sure that you're you know we want to see l'arche victory for business and for the peoples of both the bar and of our unions and i think especially if you could even go for a good basis for last week or if i may say you pull a gloss over the fact of what he said which was on christmas eve there will be no palisade of terrorists and no known terrorist barriers no non-tariff barriers time to admit isn't it that that simply wasn't true you know i would agree with that all there that there are of course at tara byers the prime minister saying what he what he said that's not what he said they were very sad because i don't need a you know i think i don't know if he was once again the truth which is it i mean either he didn't know he wasn't telling the truth which was at the trial the trial has to be enough to clear all the way along is the time to get a deal that works for the united kingdom as you're you know we got that the
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opposite view it's good for business to provide a very good as starting point for a referral for the relationship between european and and really independent sovereign united kingdom to flourish under tara fires how to stop all are in place are not insurmountable that is what the prime minister is trying to say when he said there is no power state of affairs to me they are surmountable we're working with business over come this all part of the teething problems and some of them might be happening at the minute and so that we can move on this new year of friends in cooperation between the e.u. in the u.k. well i hate to nit pick but he said there will be no palisade of terrorist and no known terrorist barriers and we now have what retailers are calling the biggest imposition of red tape in 50 years on the. u.k. tax authorities have estimated that the cost of that for british companies will be around $7000000000.00 pounds annually so to say that there will be no non-tariff barriers i'm sorry to keep going on about this but i think the truth matters in politics what it what does it say about a government believes the full statement on its website especially when it's known
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to everyone that it is false it shows a degree of contempt for the british public doesn't think as i said nonsense i mean the prime minister is going to the station has no control it can sound great but we feel a great deal of respect and and we trust we understand that the deal that we got was a deal that's good for business good for trade and and yes there are going to be eating problems and yes there is red tape and then and we're working very closely with and by the way with the police organizations on the other side of the china within the european union to make sure that these obstructions such as they are are not in place for very long and the teething problems are more wrinkles are ironed out and we're able to continue really a smoothly trading with european ip where the formula well let's talk about some of the teething problems as you call them a bit later but the fact is that the government has been less than candid over much of the bracks process hasn't it let's take the northern ireland protocol in the
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october 29th gene which mandated checks on goods going from great britain's in northern ireland because northern ireland is remaining inside the e.u. single market for goods 2 months later mr johnson insisted that the no checks why was that again ignorance or dishonesty that was needed to try and we were we were determined to make sure that when the united kingdom and britain northern ireland left the european union we did so as one and that's what we've done was aligned in northern ireland for the best of both worlds avoiding a hard border on the island of ireland i think it was great i was the last thing that anybody wanted and so the i hope you might want such a northern ireland remains in the us and your course going to vote so on elements of jacks on trade in. northern ireland yes that was not what he said he denied it was what mr johnson actually said was there is no question of there being checks on goods between northern ireland and great britain or great britain and northern ireland and that was simply untrue wasn't it you know i wouldn't say it was untrue
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i think. for heaven's sake of course it's untrue it doesn't accord with the facts it's not i'm sure that it doesn't really this is self-esteem is the power i mean. what we what we've achieved has been with something which most people thought was policy nobody believes i'm not arguing about the messing about you need to leave the transition period i will go with northern ireland remaining a part of the u.k. single market and you customs union without a hard border on the island of ireland with 3 flowing just about as freely as or or we left the european you know i think that's a great success or 'd the british from having the european union compromise as well and we came to an agreement well i reached the u.k. one way and to respect your station or the republic of ireland over goods on the island i understand that you don't want to talk about the issue of truth and you'd much rather talk about other aspects of this deal but look what happens look at the
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us look at what happens when leaders no longer bother to distinguish between fact and fiction it can lead to massive social dislocation aren't you worried about that here in britain and i think comparing the situation in the nice change with the say his knowledge base might be getting a bit beyond ourselves i mean i think that really because it's a lying isn't it this because of the lying the gone on in terms refusal to accept the truth and that i think that a large party as well there's a huge difference between trying to explain the complexities of the trade agreement between the united kingdom in the european union and accepting the results of free fair and open democratic election which is what we've seen in the united states american i think i speak for just by. everybody in the conservative party and the government when i say we are looking forward to this well then seeing joe biden assume the presidency of united states because it's bad this era. of lies deceit of open democratic process mean i say. france is mr barry there's
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a lot of people who trusted mr johnson have been badly let down haven't the democratic unionist party in northern ireland said they were promised they'd be treated just like anywhere else in the u.k. and they weren't a year away only no i mean the leader of the the time i had just finished a question can i just finish the question a year ago mr johnson's hold out the unionist that no british conservative prime minister could or should sign up to any bracks deal that damaged the fabric of the union with regulatory checks and even customs controls between great britain and northern ireland and yet that's exactly what the northern ireland protocol did isn't it fact as part of the single market northern ireland has to follow strict e.u. regulations on food standards plant and animal health that's fact and that's your paradigm electrically opposed to what mr johnson promised a. lot yeah exactly yeah parametrically opposed no what the prime minister did achieve here she came to him leaving the european union as one united
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kingdom with the best of both worlds for northern ireland and the alternative was to leave northern ireland in a position where our border on the island of ireland or. we were almost in a situation preserve all about going to control almost every aspect of creation on the island of ireland to blow your telling me your be telling me yes you're telling me what he actually signed up to but that wasn't what he said he was going to sign up to that's my point so when mr johnson the class on december 24th we've taken back control of every jot and tittle whatever that means very jot and tittle of our regulations in a way that's complete and unfettered that once again wasn't true is that northern ireland is very much fatted by its obligation to abide by the rules of the e.u. single market at least for the next 4 years again that's fact. what we have managed to do we are nice to read the european union as one you know i came to northern ireland alongside the rest of united kingdom of great britain and of course i know
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now and what we have achieved is something that most people thought was apology we've managed to do it with very little struction on trade we've managed to do it as one with a hard order on on the island of ireland and now we're moving forward with that with a deal that allows us to to create a new relationship a friendship and cooperation something we can build on as we move forward this time a year ago this time 2 years ago people were questioning whether bracks it would even happen the fact that we got the cross-wind high that we have now left i left a transition period with as good a deal as we have for british business and yes business is in northern ireland who actually i think we have the best of both worlds is something i'm going to shoot years and also that i think we should be critical about do you think that the hans is the reputation of the government and the prime minister when you just break a promise which you made to which do you pay in northern ireland and just brush over it you think other countries don't notice that i think what and hans's the
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position of the british government is as a demonstration that able to achieve what we have achieved and peacefully i'm with with the good intention leaving the european union with this trade deal something which as i keep saying if only a year ago were saying which is most of us right understand so walk away from the northern ireland deal and breach international law in the process not only produced outrage in britain and europe but also in the us where you talk about the need for a us trade deal and getting together with the new biden ministration hasn't exactly enhanced the terms of reputation with that incoming administration has it wrong well we're. trapped she was the result of our getting another one protocol agree and the eventual deal with the european union as. so you support that threat to you you don't have to understand you because that's part of the article the characters as you said whatever standing there you will find on the thread longest article
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deals a long been done on support of the government all the way through its position to go see a thing and that and it's catholics in trying to deal the worse for ourselves and the european union and what we were talking about was something which other countries in the world have done on numerous occasions of course and control it with mediocrity and breaking international law but we very much hope that when it comes time and how do we manage to come to an agreement come to a deal which i think if you frankly yes and so should he was the government's chief law officer had to resign in protest that he was because he would like to be i think he had been a person. who has resigned as a law abiding country does and then of living that you can know has a sign an agreement with britain after this really valuable european this yeah yeah but after that because they wanted out of the deal. the government was really was playing hardball as many countries do when they're negotiating complex
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international agreements and indeed germany has done point cajun in the past the chief law officer resigned on principle of course i respect the idea of the president break international law however it has not come to that which is a very good thing in my eyes he was done and now i think we're in a very good position to move forward as i said in the build on our relationship a longstanding relationship allies france as we recorded a shared objective as we ourselves you're moving toward much in the rule of law combating. 'd campaigning free trade all the things that we share with europe in this deal where i was conceived. let's talk about those teething problems which you mentioned to those include empty shelves in some of the supermarkets in northern ireland which the government describes as teething problems that hasn't done anything to pacify the. cavite unionist party says geoffrey dollops on the leader of westminster said the no that on purpose of kohat ruling trade in northern ireland was an insult to our intelligence to talk of achieving problem his
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colleague and pays a set the province had been screwed over by mr johnson this is another part of the deal that wasn't properly thought out was about a restart teething problems the government is working very closely with the whole years and businesses that are seeking to transport are going to cross the irish the into north island to make sure that the scenes we saw in early january are answered just the markets are not repeated there is no reason for them to be any shortage of food stocks in northern ireland so might go that. easing again came back wholesale. cern to ensure that the situation not arise again you know what we sell there being as you say there's no reason why there should be empty shells but there were plenty of warnings not least from the national audit office back in november when it slammed the government for a shortage of customs brokers i'm prepared border cites failure to build enough capacity in new custom software you report you so don't feel well or there are
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obviously teething problems we are 'd. going to focus on the inaudible portability it's horrendous that it's a failure to pass properly it's not teething problem it's a failure to plan properly and you will want about it you know i think what is clear is that we didn't know the situation regarding the trade deal until the very last minute the 20 it was christmas eve and i believe that we are lanced i deal with the european union so the fact that people are criticising the under par in this on either the government or the european union customs officials in terms of getting everything up and running is a little bit unfair there were no the militia called considerably earlier than christmas eve we are aware that there are issues and sounds of at least us going across the irish sea into northern ireland and what we none of us want to see every again and shells and markets. you know i think. we are very sure and certain that the steps we're taking since the early weeks trying to make sure that they stuff
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get not nolen means that we will not be seeing those scenes that we want to happen in this is just about it was staggering to read mr johnson's christmassy speech that his practice it still means certainty for business from financial services to our world leading manufacturers in fact there's no certainty is over britain's financial services that because. there's almost nothing in the deal about them and mr johnson is have regretted that at least didn't he said that the us failed to meet exam visions in that sector so certainly no certainty there in fact the old tape was came in the losses that hit the city of london the 1st full day of trading this year i think the prime minister was saying on the 24th which is what this deal does is guarantee to prepare we are having a united kingdom where relationship will be with european union so that business can go on plan for the next few years and decades. as we move forward the
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prime minister saying about hardly encouraging signs were there nearly 6000000000 euros worth of e.u. should dealing shifted right out of london on that 1st day of trading and into other european capitals the chief executive of acting strange said it's not big bang it's bang and it's gone the city has lost its european share business as a hasty cut in tax receipts for the government and some of that prediction didn't make it its way into the cracks it is. prospectus did it before the referendum. really if they're obviously areas of the deal or maybe maybe we might just always have gone further and we night may have like 15 financial services included in terms of the overall effect of the table what we achieved with what people normally expect hardly anybody anywhere expects the scale to cheapen the prime minister said we are to stop and take a business that's exactly what we did this is not a new one for our relationship with the content of your will be the next year and probably ask you that if the markets are
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a very good place to start with the government they don't know if they don't know because the e.u. hasn't accepted the equivalence between britain's financial services and its own so you have no idea whether they're going to do that and perhaps the only certain thing is what the office of budget what i think the people respect and i think you're honest and i just mean. the office of budget responsibility says you're going to take a 4 percent hit to g.d.p. over the next 10 years that's the only certainty that's coming up really well i mean the only certainty is that i'd be making economic predictions for the millionaires barons to be better to be proven wrong in some respects indeed i can't even remember the last in the o.b. arbitration that was and anyway near correct last 10 years the united in the fact is a european if you know it's applicable or britain sector then they would be coming off their nose at us by their relationship between the london stock exchange right britain over after. the injury and will continue to be so and i will always the
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european union expecting that accepting a quick wins is beneficial not just to cause the damage well well it's good of you to tell them what's beneficial for them but they may well have other ideas about it as they have done throughout the negotiations oh this comes as a new study from the london school of economics predicts british exports to the e.u. will nose dive by around a 3rd over the next 10 years with total u.k. trade falling by 13 percent that's dark predictions a backed up by figures for last year compiled by the financial times released in december they show that u.k. goods. exports have lagged behind countries in 2020 in both the e.u. and other markets. are always commissary hardest to build up our manufacturing sector and to increase exports from the united kingdom to be dire predictions from the london school of economics from the financial times and others were there things that are same people that were predicting dark consequences on the day that we left the european union last year they were predicting all hands would go and
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somehow become a pariah state maries in the north sea that's absolutely not the case this year we've demonstrated course to call $26.00 hosting the g 7 that we are a leading player on the world stage and we will continue to be so working with our friends and allies in the european union yes of course we want to export more yes of course we want to move ahead of its league and exports to the united states americans should be building more british things. absolutely and we should be selling them abroad and that's not just is not just what is it is not just predictions missed about me in the 6 months to october u.s. imports from the u.k. fell by almost 30 percent that's almost twice the drop recorded by germany and spain so there's clearly nervousness about trading with britain at the moment isn't that one hope that people of the countries in the world and companies across the world overcome nervousness in the months ahead as they see shit blossom between ourselves and the european union they see that there is nothing but nothing has
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changed within the united kingdom in terms of our mission to be an outward facing exports a free trading nation and i see exactly what we are going to be focusing on as we move action of this period of the pandemic and all the rest of the over the next few months and years is a fact that having sovereignty is little more than a myth as former deputy prime minister michael heseltine said recently sovereign in charge control regained none of that creates a single job one pounds worth of invest. well any rise in living standards that's what he said he's right isn't it and that's what the figures already are showing all of those there's an argument about whether a country is so over not under an argument about how you develop the economy create jobs we can't do both and by britain has achieved sovereignty it's you independence from the european union now our focus is on building up our economy recovering from coronavirus creating jobs and the prime minister would say leveling off across the
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united kingdom and that is very much where our focus is now that you are not into a just because one has become sovereign does not mean that was suddenly a choice exceed in every other aspect and we are determined to see if you can get your voters back you've got a 25 percent quota transfer over the next 5 years far less than you originally demanded and you fishermen are not accusing you right click of a trial and say why bill him a promise is going to go and hundreds on my understand the frustration i ripped out extensions in the northeast but i represent i understand very much the concerns in the fishing industry and yes we've got a 25 percent accord with transparency over the next 5 years i give us the opportunity to build up our fishing industry so that in 5 years' time when we become independent coastal state taking our seat at the table and negotiate access courses and all the rest of it with european union with norway with iceland that we will be doing that on the same basis as all the others so yes i understand the
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frustration in the beijing industry it's not what they expected on day one but we have now the prospect of years of becoming an independent sovereign coast state and nice what we're working towards next below our home fishing industry the rain reap the rewards of the sea of opportunity that lies with us from 2025 onwards it wasn't what they expected because it wasn't what you told them to expect it was never going to happen that way was it because some of that sovereignty that you won through leaving the european union you bargained away in the day. ill fitting shoe as you always do with sovereignty you bargain but the way sovereignty is bargain by britain's membership of the w t l the world health organization nato it's not an absolute is it sovereignty no it's not the british people but it was hard to an absolute it was sold as an absolute what the british people voted for in june 26th in was to have control over their borders and their laws and where british money british tuskers money was
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indeed being nice but we're cheap through reading your opinion leader in the transition agreement with this deal and in 5 years time british fisherman will have control over more stocks of fish and they have ever had since we 1st joined the european community as it was in the 1970 s. it was only then by the way that the european union even created a common fisheries policy so yes we're going to have to bide our time and be patient the last 5 years of what doesn't do it a little dust over a 100000000 times in building up our fishing industry so it can reap the rewards when the day comes that we take our seat as an independent. i would look in coastal states in the negotiations of european or well your currents and your businesses are buying that the national federation of fisherman's organizations told mr johnson recently it would be much better if you with humility and on a state that word again humility and honesty conceded that you tried but failed
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rather than implying that you handed us the keys of our liberation when you haven't so there's a long way to go to convince your clients that you've actually got what you say you've got because in all the wrong and now they're not buying now there is a long way to go i guess now and i get the frustration i speak to them on european daily basis so i understand what we have to do to make sure that we retain the trust of fishermen in the fishing industry in the united kingdom but it's a or better thing that we have got this deal across the line. we are still able to trade and sell british pressure in the european union would otherwise be 85 percent or transfer by the way what the e.u. were initially asking for a troll in 5 years' time given we have been a member of the congress we always say which our own people say ruined the british racing industry of last year's i think all right you overpriced and we will return benefits in a few years all right anger about it's been great having your own comfort zone
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