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again there would never buy the better luck when. most say he still finds it difficult to revisit the past. her son was disappeared 47 years ago ever since she has been fighting for closure she wants clarity on what happened her last till pains her every day. she wants to share everything she knows she talks about how the police took her boy away simply for being a member of a communist student organization her stories will be added to an oral history archive with audio and video recordings that serve as a collective memory and then you're not going to hear that they came into our house to grab my son luis an entire patrol of about 50 armed police officers they just took him away. after researchers found a clue. some of the colonia dignidad files are still kept in the national archives
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of chile they include a filing cabinet with about $25000.00 index cards. yeah you know fredricka going to know it contains notes taken during interrogations and they're well into this only happened once in chile is history so it proves that political prisoners were held on a german compound similar doors of. the 6 head of information also compiled an index card on the saint is the son luis that means they probably held him prisoner . most likely he was also tortured in the 6 underground passageways. now must say his relatives have set up a memorial plaque here it's the 1st official memorial on these grounds. and the military personnel are allowed to use the cellar for their interrogations more often than not but ended in torture and death. only after many years with
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families finally committed to put up a plan to remember their vote. scriven thanks. the former 6 members who still live here have already begun preparations for a large memorial site. the torch itself is being cleared out. there making room for a museum or a place of remembrance. a few kilometers away in the small city of peral families of the victims are fighting to see more commitment from chile's and germany's governments they can't accept how long the search for their loved ones is taking. miss ada's fernandez is also part of the campaign despite her 90 years of age if you're seeing in the us our relatives are buried out there somewhere it's our duty to look for them. my mother started searching for my disappeared brother and i swore to her that i would carry
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on her. pain will only end once we find the remains of our family members and if we only find one body the pain we feel today will still be a little less. in a holy man in germany has to help it to is to blame. a german chilean joint task force has been put together but the only been able to make a little headway. that's because members of the colonia dignidad have been standing in their way. under the pinochet dictatorship the set had amassed great wealth farming and timber businesses. and estates and egg farms and even a gold mine. the sex trade is turned over means and profits.
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for years the sect was run as a charity then in 1989 the small syndicate have set it is transferred all assets to a holding group with several stock corporations. it was a complicated web of companies with the sole purpose of maintaining operative and financial control. the colony was renamed v. above year a very a village and the holding group distributed a handful of shares to some of its former slaves. in this letter from 1998 pushing for all of his leadership to make sure that no victims quote would have a right to payments or compensation for decades. this was a measure against disloyalty and dissidents as he put it. is one such so called decided she was born into the sect to this day she into her husband suffer under the cruelty of over 40 years of forced labor with 0
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compensation for damaged goods a good back then i just thought it was normal nobody ever explained anything to me that they could get me when handed any work contract so we couldn't ask the right questions or form our own ideas. the children were all inquisitive and bright but the brightest minds were kept sedated with drugs. when she examines her shares all the seitan feels is frustration she was handed $51.00 in total in some day amount to about $3000.00 euros this is no use to me at all it's just a piece of paper i don't have any say in the matter no voting rights is just a slip of paper. because shafiq was also handed a pittance from his tormentors to make ends meet and keep his family somewhat afloat he works as a beekeeper. and
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i turned 61 sorry recently we don't know how we'll get by. it meshed. this well i want everyone to know how schaefer deliberately created a project. designed to keep us all excluded from any of the profits and. such as the share an enormous wealth said today cumulated or a small plot of land from the sprawling a states. or the very least a payout from the shares he owns. and. in all the years we've been shareholders we were always told this belongs to all of us and we believed it because we've never received a single payout. isn't a normal holding company or shareholders buy and sell for profit. this is a completely different scheme. that's off the sector many victims like caused
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interest in 3 handed after 40 years of cruelty and slave labor by a bitterly pool meanwhile the sick leaders have moved up to managing to rake this in their firm with generous salaries and plenty of clout in the business. and none finance has been investigating the sex crimes for years the way things are now he says it's a disgrace. it's an ongoing injustice people were tortured and murdered here children were abused you can't turn a place like that into a tourist resort but politicians have remained complicit and the public prosecution has no active role in investigating the crimes committed here. hempel lives in chile's capital santiago he was also born into the senate today he will lawyer and he's very outspoken against the new management it would be they jews he says to
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compensate victims like host and doris for a lifetime a slave labor. it's a cartel of silence. even today the colonies leadership shares a mafioso like oath of silence and noncompliance and there's nothing we can do about it or the companies over there victims 45 years of wages and 45 years of contributions to pension payments to this day they have not paid out a single cent and. the bulk of the shares went to the 6 leaders in the 1990 s. confidence of the cult leader with an appointed directors. just a few years ago the chilean investor help bought into the company says the shareholder he was hoping for a profitable investment. only afterwards did he realize that it was a closed corporation there's no transparency and he has no say in any decisions even though he holds 17 percent of all changes.
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more outwardly this web of corporations would want you to believe that they honor inclusive participation ownership rights and democratic decision making. but in truth they're in very serious violation of any code determination regulation is a theme in those who run the companies are also their own supervisors. and the border. he says the set set up 3 bogus firms so that the head of the board never lost control. simply meant to them or if you got all you have to do is change the share structure. but it will be that way all shareholders would have a real say in the operating companies not just the dummy companies. the review had put into. it would actually be quite easy. for the.
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e.c. in theory in reality the management has quietly resisted any sort of opening who are these people today it's many who remain sons of former cult leaders intrusted with carrying on the company legacy from lofty management positions. and can currently holds the reins of the v. above vienna corporation his father court was sentenced to 5 years in prison in chile for systematic abuse and forming a criminal organization today thomas agrees that 6 assets were distributed unfairly . from today's perspective i would say the distribution of shares was not done fairly. back then and the decision was guided by inheritance norms and based on who brought in how much money . unfortunately from today's point of view that's not quite equitable.
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and there are other full cult members too from parts of the business and see a need for change one of his sisters a national income is responsible for the 2 recent division she's calling for more transparency and justice for victims. my wants is absolute as big as i want to stick change the old share structure and the way it's described it is now it is unfair and an equal. or. all members should be included in the winnings or any of the companies included in the holding should be able to generate profits that are paid out to the members and it did also died. but not all directors agree many are still fighting change. schreiber is another into the management katra. his father was the financial director of colonia dignidad evaded chilean justice by fleeing to germany. and
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europe has been responsible for the corporation's legal affairs for years. the paper leaked to us by a former sect member documents attempts to silence victims the witness explains that form a cult members were to exchange quote exclusive rights to their life stories and individual experiences for a plot of land. was just to ensure the past atrocities would remain concealed from public view. we wanted to confront hansard struggle with these accusations but he refused to be interviewed all issue a statement on the matter. say the command structure of the full senate indeed song as does the justice. league of them
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before they determine everything $10.00 on one face sell whatever they want and whenever they want to throw an error and the so called shareholders have no say in the matter mr raydon harm obviously all they care about is keeping everything for themselves homeless as there are throughout. financial benefits at the expense of the saints forced laborers why wasn't a corporation dissolved after paul shaffer the wrist and the assets distributed fairly among former colony members in 2005 this was almost the case after the cult leader was arrested in germany in chile could have at least changed the share structure but the foreign office tells us there was no legal possibility for germany should dissolve the corporation altogether instead from 2008 onwards the foreign office put forth funds for psychosocial support to remaining residents in addition to social missions money was also provided for business consultancy and
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for unspecified infrastructure projects. there's also the what people need to know is as of 20042005 the foreign ministry actually supported this corporate structure because they were more worried about the colony they wanted all the settlers to stand she lay so as to keep the problem out of germany. in 2004 mr and mrs molests have presented an open letter to the 6 members and to jim and diplomats demanded that all assets be dissolved and distributed fairly. in under 2 hours. we asked them to dissolve the whole mess and to finally give the people what they were promised in broadwater us into the men and what they are entitled to vent their everything was supposed to belong to everyone and once this holding or whatever it is is dissolved. inch of then things can be distributed fairly break
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get rid of. their plate fell on deaf ears. this is done with but the understood nothing happened they like the idea but they did nothing about it. so germany just looked the other way. you know exactly just like they did for all those decades thing to do it. many people agree with billy melissa to this day they believe the german state has failed them many such members can't comprehend why beer and roast poor can being served to decide was systematic abuse and torture once took place without any attempt at remembrance let alone reparations. and i am. in 2019 the german bundestag invited doris site not to belin there she demanded the 6 released funds from his assets and reimburse victims like her.
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there's been a lot. we completely on our own for me and my family is a sort of was. to start whatever the foreign office has provided any financial support to the colony went straight into tourism and other things i haven't seen one cent not a single one i'm certain it pains me to see corporations receive that kind of supply while individuals who really deserve it on the prosecutor from. the victim say that the legacy of cult leader paul shaffer still casts a dark shadow over the dishonest a corporation he's left behind has meant that after a lifetime of slavery they must continue to live in poverty long after his own death in 2010 but with his will there's a way and so been freed hempel continues to fight for justice. and if we
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want an administration that seizes all of the colonies assets and manages them in a way that either the proceeds or the assets themselves go to the victims that is all we want more. justice. at least the hunt for mass graves has intensified after villa melissa's confession . and judge costs and lacks the money and the manpower for an exhaustive excavation . and germany for years the german government shied away from dealing with the simplest part of its past. german diplomats actually maintained good relations with paul shaffer and he said in 2017 the foreign office agreed to collaborate with chile to create a commission to document the crimes committed we are told that germany had offered chile to analyze soil samples from chile in its give
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a shit site in german labs at the german government's expense. so far no samples and said to have arrived. why is the investigation stolen in chile. then the minister of justice and human rights and my loveline is responsible for moving the investigation forwards. he's also a long term supporter of the sect. in the 1990 s. he wrote about colonia dignidad we the signatories of this letter greatly appreciate the work that is association has done. political scientist has spent years researching the aftermath of colonia dignidad and considers the minister to be one of the chief obstacles to overcome in the past. as mine as it is the thought
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of. the other and i think mr lott i mean is keen to keep this issue under wraps and out of the public eye. but this is where i would like to see a greater commitment from the foreign office and the german government. for more on this issue would require proactive human rights policies. and the frog went to poor people mentioned i don't see any in place at the moment is the moment when you see. the bottom line is the germany is polite even frightening for pressuring chile that sits chile's government just fine minister a lot of rain was not available for an interview 1000000 founders to chile had already spent the equivalent of the around 380000 euros on excavations and that cooperation with german experts would begin as soon as possible. linger of larenz true intentions of dealing with the past of colonia dignidad he
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was a friend of the sect for decades as documents in the chilean national archive can prove the 6 registry also contains a file on the 918 it says that as a young politician in visited colonia dignidad shortly before the coup in chile as well as shortly afterwards in 19841975. these were precisely the years in which the dictator had thousands of political opponents of arrested tortured and murdered. some in the very cellars of colonia dignidad. is it possible that laurie and did not notice any of this cheering his 3 visits. the historian claudio salinas thinks not. simply there from early on or non lot i mean repeatedly denied and dismissed all
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the accusations leveled against colonia dignidad. although there were plenty of reports on torture and child abuse at that time. were telling me of the figure. according to the state's records close with one doctor and 2 individuals one albums and 100 according to experts these were the pitiful cope leader paul shaffer his chief financial officer albert schreiber and the 6 doctor hartmut hope it was in part thanks to love and support that the sect was able to carry on after the pinochet dictatorship ended. it was not until the mid ninety's that the police began to investigate the 1st cases of abuse with raids on the 6 premises even then not even threw his weight behind the sick. or without the use of this and more than the units and investigators from all over the country want to search the german compound this is without precedent and all
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because of one single complaint of child abuse a man or. the human rights commission of the chilean parliament someone in but the minister did not comply and outrage this human rights activist my 3 top. is nearly every call for what they should be. in which of justice minister has protected the sect for many years even though he was aware of the crimes committed . in. the system prove. we have the evidence we don't know what's missing is the political will to carry out the prosecution is that it. is in this is the human rights law and nonfinite is also criticizes the action of those responsible. this is the most dramatic case in recent history neither the minister of justice nor the president or minister of the interior are
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fulfilling the duties of their office but including reside he has the right to demand the crimes of colonia dignidad be prosecuted. calling it deserves compensation clarification and justice and so yeah there are what i see on the. intrigue hempel is losing his patience with how little is being done. the reason that's where quite pessimistic i don't expect much from minister a lot i on the contrary i think he wants to just leave the whole thing out of the rush. at the same time there is not enough money on resources to conduct a proper search for the disappeared torture victims. the relatives left behind and the officials fighting for their restitution feel abandoned. by going to tripoli he warns the moment to get a force at the time we demanded the excavation site be protected we say it was
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declared a national monument but no efforts were made to secure the digging. the area remained publicly accessible anyone could get him this simple. presented with a. there's no professional forensics team he had to the funds were lacking. the 1st step towards truth and justice would be to return the victims' bodies to their families. if cooperation with germany was more effective we would have made more progress with that you know i will also the remaining sect leaders should be interrogated. only from us i think they know where the bodies are and could tell us where to look . he. went to be. that many leading members of the sect have decided to remain silent and i think the
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german or the chilean justice system seem to have any interest in questioning them . and so the tourist trap remains a place with past horrors a mosque behind it did injury. really melissa is one of the few former sit members to tell his story. does he deserve the only data so we had to kind of. the way i see it i was forced to do this work i had no choice but maybe i wanted but that doesn't mean i need to keep quiet about it now because there. is a kind of i knew that none of the others would say anything. after i had testified i went to the estate. and i told the
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people there that i had just confessed. they insisted on knowing what exactly i had told the authorities. you know i said everything. i'm empty now minister there i left them to connect the dots they knew what they had done. it was a secret. to the state melissa he was not part of the cults top leadership circle struggles with the question of whether he too was one of the perpetrators they. wish him to. who decides who is a perpetrator and who is a victim of crime on the one hand i'm one of the perpetrators. but on the other hand i'm also a victim best of the dumbest and most because what i had to do there was awful
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and i was never given a choice. the midfielder who are i was taken by surprise in order to put on the spot shaffer hadn't told me what kind of work i'd be doing where it could indicate was he doesn't know it might or. might you know. the families of the missing torture victims a quite fair to me simply his testimony. thanks to his courage they might eventually find within it it's a buried. in. the gallery also i remember when i spoke out because i felt it was my duty to lift the veil of secrecy. and give back what belongs to those or more families. good you could be good they deserve to know where their loved ones have gone. what do you believe.
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