and what is so concerning to so many is the lack of due process for these lawmakers the hong kong people there are those of us who just want a majority in the harkonnen garden of course and that's basically or going to see a revolving mr cheney stripping the 4 legislators who have usually said i feel like there's really an individual there was dizzy until you were in office determined exclusively by the executive by the chief executive terry lam and without affording them an opportunity to be heard violates the basic principles of fairness and due process inheritance in the rule of law again this is coming from the hong kong bar association so no anyone can be dismissed simply at the whim of the chief executive isn't that a troubling sign for basic rights in hong kong where is the due process mr t. and for the 4 lawmakers before lawmakers there were disqualified were disqualified or their bases or very involved with foreign government but where is the due

process can they appeal that decision they cannot have a of course because that really can appeal you know they can appeal that decision and it will go to the court yes absolutely we do have forces and that they lose bickering go to good puke or and a big boost because go to the court of appeal yes they haven't done that that's not a good song that's not what the hong kong bar association says they said that legal certainty has been greatly impaired that it introduces an entirely different way to disqualify a legislator outside of article 17 outside of article 79 and without due process. and i'd like to add in that congressman is exactly because the greek word the hong kong bar association they tend to generalize about everything these 4 legislators that would disqualify definitely can and should pew one thing one or 2 of them would probably win the appeal so yes then let me ask you as

a follow up how do you put they should put their government to test about this kind of disqualification please understand i am not totally behind government disqualifying these people all the grounds and specific. allegations that they make ok because these people who have not been good friends through there to go by the government are you going to see them put forward their defense trainings in the government in the court and i think they are doing that and i don't know. when that's going to happen but i think we should all we can see mr see another home government may know when order time mr t. another point that you know has concerned some is the language that has been used by the chief executive and in the wake of the dismissal of these lawmakers she said the following we need to have a political body which is composed of patriots she said she was excited that bills will pass more efficiently at the legislature in the future it seems as if there is

no room for differing or opposing views and voices anymore in the legislative council how does that serve the people of hong kong. that's a very good that's a very good question let me answer that objective. if the t.v. executives basically want to ram everything's through let's go to save time. and the 1st to come out and condemn her for making that statement ok simply to make sure everything goes to minimize the question is ok and past $1000000000.00 funding barrow within an hour or 2 all right if you look at what's happening in the largest city council over the last 4 years we're trying to elect a chairman of the house committee and that's been stopped for over 9 months to

a year and no bill can never go to let's go there's the other extreme or putting everything to a stop. what i think carrie lim is saying is that these people who are running for office in there go ok because scrutinize the bill they need to be smart enough intelligent enough to come up with questions don't make sense so filibustering is an art you don't filibuster by repeating the same thing for you know 3 months but must accept you have a reason and you turn to government i support and i've been doing that myself sometimes government thing i asked too many questions are no ok i came asking a bar don't repeat the same question 10 times for new times and that's what the op was if you were doing one point i think that's what i was talking about and there are concerns as we have mentioned. that there is an attempt now to neutralize in

fact the opposition in order to have things run more smoothly for the probation side for example the decision to postpone elections by a year. into human rights watch has said the following about that they've said that in november 29th pro-democracy candidates won local elections overwhelmingly that electoral showing seems to be why they have alleged kerry lambs government has disqualified pro-democracy candidates for hong kong's legislative council and in any event postponed those elections for a year they write what a better way to neutralize the power of hong kong's example than by pretending that the city's pro-democracy movement is the result of nefarious foreign influences was postponing the election and attempt to neutralize the opposition another great question. if. covert 19 is not

an act of god and there is proof that there's a massive conspiracy behind covert 19 actually somebody somewhere invented to mess up the whole world with the sole purpose of stalking stopping hong kong legislative council election from going wrong then i would be very rare to hear the evidence of that but mr t. in that is no of the people there is the last major comes to the actually down they have looked at and justification and we have the justification of coronavirus and they point to nearby countries for example singapore and south korea which both are recently held successful general elections without registering a spike in covert 19 cases on the same side they look for example at the disapproval ratings of terry lamb which most recently stood at 72 percent and so now the elections get postponed that doesn't look good does it 1st of all it's due

to the pandemic and then you said well when you confuse that dependency yes half of the world has. your lecture. on mail in basis right in hong kong we have a problem because a lot of our residents voters there's been some junk across the border and because of the prime damage we have corn teen issues and basically the border was stopped so a lot of these voters were deprived of the right to vote you mentioned in the beginning of our conversation that you did not feel that freedoms were under fire due to the national security law but i'd like to just point out another example to you and this is when it comes to freedom of speech and freedom of the press critics say there has been a swift crackdown they point to the arresting of a respected reporter who produced reporting critical of the police limiting of press cards forcing news organizations to surrender materie. ells related to pro-democracy candidates arresting the head of the popular apple daily jimmy lie

denying visas for no reasons to reporters critical of beijing just a few examples here freedom of the press is a casualty of the national security law you are very certain about the arrest of mr jim you lie. to me lie has been behind a major push ok good point government involved in funding opposition to be sent home call in mine my mr july is not making a positive contribution toward the country to a system all right i don't want to be the judge but i don't have any sympathy for him if he's arrested you may think here is a great democracy fighting for a dream for democracy is one thing going through foreign government known for its sanctions to put pressure on baby jane or to act differently about hong

kong is something else they are basically violating the basic law the 1st article which is hong kong is part of china and you will never achieve mr t. i'd like to ask you just briefly before we go claudio is an opposition lawmaker in hong kong said that the aim of china's national security legislation was to stun the hong kong into nothingness people will be so petrified so frightened so intimidated that they wouldn't dare say anything or do anything in opposition you have articulated here that you are one of the more liberal members of the probation camp you have sometimes spoken out against the government do you personally have to watch what you say how worried are you. let me be very honest with you i don't want to be personal about leeds ok so please spare me from commenting about

my impression of josh korder law or in fact georgia law whatever. my honest opinion and prepare is that yes there has been a tightening of freedom to express views particularly when it comes to hong kong. gaining some kind of greater control over its own destiny. civic normalization that anybody can nominate to run for chief executive and the ghost against basic law so all i'm saying is that anybody comes up with any kind of claim that goes against that basic law yes the freedom to express such views is much less today than before because the security bill might we have to leave it there that i agree michael

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