you decide and i guess i have a number of people who have more yes yes we laugh at this and i'm trying to explain what they what they wanted to create a big moment. for a strong russia at the bottom of the coast yes for us of the coolest. i think it's it's a symbol of power tools to show the presence of the black sea lions that lights the palace that we remember so well in the rumanian capital bucharest this is far more . i think more expensive but it's built by the oligarchs and accounts the project of course probably one day they thought that put in lives a uses costal that he steps down but he's not stepping down. and i think that it's been interesting that while the kremlin says you know putin has nothing to do with this they could say who owns it who built it and they're totally silent on that point so it's clearly it's not be built for somebody else and i think in the absence of any further information you know it's clearly been built for putin on the broader question. i mean whether or not putin is personally corrupt we may have

different views on that he has tolerated an incredible amount of corruption in russia and i guess that was probably the biggest surprise when i was still in the u.s. government back in the 2000 when putin came to power i think the one thing that we really expected was he will type of things i mean i think there was a sense in russia that things had become too loose in the 1990 s. too much chaos so he would restore a degree of order but there's also a sense that this is somebody who actually you know crack down on corruption and i don't think we've seen that crime somebody have said it's going to be some some somebody who would who would be he was viewed as an honest lida a man who stood by his word that was the that was always the message around putin there was hope i mean i don't remember. that he'd stop or. but there was hope that something will change that russia will become the western country that so many people hoped for it would in the ninety's and i'm the mass. be

cleaned up and we would have a life and it has not come to fruition. in the demonstrations there were a lot of young people who haven't seen another president other than vladimir putin i can say the same there was even the mean that there is not a cat in russia that has been born before putin. through. and just i think is such a focal point of this corruption that many people have associated himself so much in the fabric of the russian society that if we want change he has to go sentiment among many things the basic problem is that the russia has a new idea what is life and we in the west and the united states when so dispute of enlightment the russians didn't have a jump from communism from the tarion system was a. major t.g.v. into something else of the capitalism where everybody tried to become rich the corruption is a problem of the whole society the people at the top of it rich but people of the

below also in many ways corrupt fortunately not only in russia but in eastern europe they think it's normal it's a way of life in order to survive they don't think it's good think it's a way to survive what they say that they at the top should steal too many too much money now of course is. that corruption. is exploding at the top and this is what makes people of course a wonder whether. it's if a genuine viable alternative to the putin rule that we've seen now for 20 years i think it's too early to say i mean you do have. to see what happens on sunday i mean are you going to see the sort of evolution that you saw in belarus where people are prepared to go into the streets on a more regular basis i don't think at this point we can gauge how powerful the

vollies pull that is but he's also going up against a very organized authoritarian system a very established police state that you know is going to push back. and that's going to be the clash i i personally i think putin made a tactical error i think arresting involving and evolving his return actually is put putin in a box because you know he now has to do something you know back down or perhaps send a volley of jail for a number of years and that's going to get attention in a volley that no volley might not have attracted had he simply come back and been allowed to return and then go on with whatever is going to do what evidence would you if this were to sort of a council of wise men and women which it indeed it is in many ways to save the german government was a couple and say was advice do you have for us didn't approach in this crisis in russia with the with the with the with the putin regime and then of the challenge.

i think the west should continue sanctioning especially the only docs the corrupt top of the russian society how have a lot of assets in europe and there have been a lot of investigations coming out i'm not saying that the western powers should act on the pointers from the team that's definitely not the case but that they should maybe have a better look of people who get european citizenship the practice of the golden passports so-called cyprus has been discontinued for now but a lot of people have got the practices like this as long as something like this is happening in the west putin and the likes of him have the full freedom to claim they're not in the us you know i think there's actually a good develop in the united states is with a law that was passed in december it's now going to ban the ability of shell companies to own real estate and assets to the united states i suspect there's a huge amount of real estate in miami in new york that's owned by russian oligarchs probably ukraine oligarchs and it's all through the shell companies so we don't

know who you're going to have to now disclose the beneficial owner and that will be useful in a number of ways been for exam. but if there is a decision and a target individual or were dark we then know who to go after because it without a 2nd idea which i hesitate because it's somewhat un-american and we don't tend to hold families responsible for the act of a father but i do wonder if the west look at sanctioning not just the oligarch but families mean if an oligarch can't travel to europe that's one thing but if the spouse can't make her and your shopping trip to london or if the kids can't go to college that might have a different impact and it's harsh you know but you know it might be a way to target some sanctions that actually begin to stir up some concern among the people right think or close in the putin inner circle it sounds very plausible to me but you know more about these things alexander tell us is that they have problems with doing this because you many of these people have british or german or

american citizenship and you can't punish or sanction your own citizens in this way and of course people want to i don't want to sound cynical but direct russian money of course for the old banks of foreign corporate in the west and the and the very real problem icing. is i don't know what to do but i think that if the sanctions will be too harsh if for example not streaming to will be completely stopped and the whole is assigned to look to put in when we are against you then this will mobilize of course more and more people not for but against not violently and against the west in russia we should see this. one thing that people feel as i followed the story in the past couple of weeks one thing that people have said a lot of people have said is that they're very impressed by the courage shown by alex and of nevada and returning to the country and i want because it has been talks about him because he has indicated that he has thought about it and we need

to understand the gravity of the situation here won't this is the question is his life at risk. i think nobody is completely safe in the russian jail as we know from the case of mr magnitsky how many of us. let's not forget about the covert outbreak which obviously have brink's of covert russian jails and i don't think healthy after the chemical attack you can be a 100 percent healthy. i mean i think the russian security services tried to kill him once that should be a message and certainly i think he's at risk of spending a long time in jail i mean they will find reasons to keep him in jail and they get there there is that question is that the smart thing for the crime of the do because to the extent that they either keep him in jail or if in fact you know he he does die under mysterious circumstances you know that's going to make him more of a martyr and how does that then react with the population that certain crimes reported he has already lost have been known that he will not commit suicide he will not

take his own life and that seems to be a sort of a reassurance to the world that you know or reassurance not an indication that he believes it to you know he could be knocked off if something happens he's saying it wasn't by my own hand but he wants doesn't want to give up he wants to fight for the presidency i think he wants to become the top man in russia and therefore he had to return there was no alternative no option for him to stay here and work for a. bunch of hello or for someone else i mean or for radio liberty i mean that would be his fate here of course he wants to go back to fight other else he would lose of course his electorate and i think that was the kremlin so that he would simply he would say the name of the kremlin and what are they going to do to bring him into prison this will highlight this points again and made him even more popular to be after him or of course you know to chill to poison him would be even more disastrous mistake so it's an option out because the

germans stripped of citizenship sent into exile imagines it will happen will happen but. i think that this is one of the better. options which in the end make up we begin with daria so let's give daria the final word to. people in the west like to talk about so very often liberals in the west talk about the ultimate demise of. russia be a better place after i think there is a chance to improve for russia. but it's not a guarantee. for all we know you could have some kind of political. don't know thing it's gonna be a wild place ok. thanks very much for joining us for the conversation. if you have enjoyed the show come back next time and.

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