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genesee coincidence. that example previously the earth was just messy chemistry and that i thought mission. where the improbable but. also the creation of our solar system with our planet is a bit like the lottery the day i saw the. police birth. starts feb 11th on t.w. . are you telling me that you would go ahead with a strike on iran what do you think we're going to do pray know we're going to be freddoso you're going to trial president triumph with an amazing scene that means grayson made clear that settlements are legal there is no will to patients. there palestinian authority that has its own life an independent many countries are
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watching anxiously to see how the new u.s. administration will reset relations with them after 4 years of donald trump and especially in israel which is bracing for a cold wind was blowing its way from washington my guest this week will jerusalem is the community affairs minister tuckey how late to me how will his government react to joe biden's new policy on iran and his waning tolerance for the expansion of jewish settlements. and they're very welcome to comfort zone thank you joe biden was barely inside the white house before you the israeli minister for community affairs publicly criticized his intention to rework the nuclear agreement with iran and labeled him an appeaser why pick a fight with your closest ally we definitely need
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a new agreement. with iran with. all the countries involved but we are very much against repeating the same mistake that was done by the previous administration during obama's time which was a very bad agreement both for the world and $30.00 so negotiating a new agreement with something there must be. current. the result should be different from the 1st time my question is how does that serve the interests of your country accusingly a bomb a ministration in which biden served as vice president of appeasing iran well it's not a secret that we were very much. opposing obama's policy the prime minister and how appeared physically in the american congress explaining why it's
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a big mistake and the mistake was the effort to appease the iranians hoping that this policy of engagement would bring them. to be part is president obama would it be part of the family of nations well it didn't happen 5 years passed we still see the same behavior the same terrorism encouraged the same indorsement of radical groups in lebanon. iraq syria and also yemen so this is the major problem we have to change the policy and it has to happen through a dialogue between israel and the united states yeah but you also warns that if mr biden revives this nuclear deal israel will be forced to attack iran's nuclear
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installations is this what you're saying you imagine you can stage an operation like that without close coordination with the u.s. well of course violent confrontation is the last resort are you telling me that you would go ahead israel would go ahead with a strike on iran without the sign off by the united states that you do it on your own. without consulting the u.s. again again i do not predict and i cannot predict what's going to happen i hope the american administration the state the permanent members of the security council states will be much more determined and resolve than ever before will not change the regime of the sanctions that was initiated by trumpet administration will go forward putting maximum pressure on iran to change
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its behavior if it's not going to go if there will be a new agreement that will endanger the very existence of the state of israel what do you think we are going to do pray no we are going to defend ourselves in any way that will be effective you seem to ignore the fact that iran is still observing some of the terms of the j c p a a deal including allowing u.n. inspectors access on the one of the most intrusive nuclear verification regimes imposed on any nation also snap inspections doesn't that isn't that worth holding on to or do you want to just scrap the whole thing no agreement was definitely not violated by iraq for a long time they were working according to the agreement because it's their interest they want to be valid to the very last
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2nd of its term yes actually i don't know which door until your friend don't know china's economy will give you more on the deal. no we don't have problem with iran violating the agreement donald trump would withdraw from the agreement iran would stay and follow every paragraph to kill the end of the agreement this is the criticism that we have we have the agreement is very good if it never expires it's very bad because it will expire eventually several years so what we demand is an agreement that is not only good for iran because once it is expired they have the diligence mc to enrich uranium and to reach a nuclear weapon we want an agreement that will be the same agreement but for 50 years 100 years this is our demand iran has said it has no intention of
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acquiring a nuclear weapon you don't believe them but why should anyone believe you the government your government and its prime minister has a long history of crying wolf ivan she wanna run this has been going on for almost 30 years as we remember in 192 mr netanyahu solemnly predicting that iran was 3 to 5 years away from having a nuclear weapon what happened with and what happened is that through the years united nations security council made several resolutions banning iran from going forward with its elicit progress more and more facilities were revealed each and every one of them was illegal was not. being revealed. each and every one of them was illegal was not. being. allowed by the international community the one in the towns the one is the one in 4
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do all those are secret facilities that we found in the world found that are being established but we've seen your warnings year after year after year you were warning about iraq as well in 2002 that was your target netanyahu went to congress warning that saddam hussein was hell bent on achieving atomic bombs as soon as he could they still haven't found those atomic bombs have that and then there was his famous famously and accurate prediction from him that if you take out saddam saddam's regime i guarantee you it would have enormous positive reverberations on the region that was nonsense too so you don't have a good record in your predictions coming true do you i think that you're thoroughly wrong because america and president biden just weren't several days ago that they are going to prevent iran from having a nuclear program and the whole world knows that iran is dedicated to achieving
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a. weapon of mass destruction it's not an invention the fact it was prevented through the years due to various activities that were taken by the whole world especially the sanctions of president obama back in his term and now from sanctions so i don't think there's any doubt that iran is trying to build the bomb is not even something that is in dispute mr carnegie let's talk about israel and the palestinians mr mr biden is already calling for a halt to what he calls unilateral actions including israeli settlement activity in the west bank and demolition of palestinian homes are you going to do if he asks i haven't heard any. anything from the american administration. new ministration about settlements the policy of the united states for many many years was against settlements but during the time of president it was an amazing shift with
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an historic change and for the 1st time in the history our relationship with the best ally united states the ministration made clear that settlements are illegal and they are not preventing peace on a country without was just a trampoline challenge and saying that that was just a trump an illustration mr biden's nominee feel when ambassador had said that he's already calling for a halt to unilateral actions including israeli settlement activity in the west bank and demolition of palestinian homes so there's obviously a change on the way here my question is are you going to do as mr biden asks i'm not aware of you know there are many ambassadors but there is a president and there is the congress this public opinion and our experience the majority of the people in the congress republicans and democrats alike understand
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that israel is in today or somalia because this is our ancient land this is our homeland we are now your answer is no so your answer is no you're not going to do as mr biden asks you're not going to do what the us you're not going to hold settlement activity and stop the demolition of knowledge then in her hands no unfortunately my answer is the truth not no or yes again i'm telling you i haven't heard any change in the policy of president from vis a vis the settlements if there's going to be such a such a change you'll be very said that we will have a dialogue with our friends in the administration. for now the american understand that israel is in today and somalia because it's our land and this is why trump made. peace initiative calling for accepting all the settlements where they are never uprooting jewish settlements into the somalia if mr biden will
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change the policy of the united states to have a dialogue with him but i don't think that if it's realistic to think that it's going to happen less than it may as for the demolitions of palestinian homes by november last year you had demolished nearly $700.00 palestinian structures more than any other full year since 2016 some of the buildings you destroyed had actually been donated as humanitarian assistance was it of no concern to you that 869 dollars 10 years this last year have been thrown out onto the streets homeless in the year that coburg 19 took root and spread like wildfire you either know or care what happened to these people who were tossed out into the strait well there are millions of jews and millions of palaces living together in in the land of
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israel i'm talking about the people who have run out of their homes pyotr militias i had to stand at the same where you talk about and i ask you to let me answer please so there are millions of jews millions of palestinians living in this country 99.9 percent of them live in their homes and nobody throws them from their homes once there is an illegal building. or community or any other infrastructure that is not according to the israeli mo with the mouse it happens to jews and it happens to palestinians and i can name you and i'm sure you do know of illegal settlements that israel demolished in the grown in better open in a far more now i just named you 4 places where the supreme court in israel made an order to demolish the houses of israelis jews who were living in those
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homes they were kicked out of their homes they were uprooted from places they were living in for many many years but mr ahmed big numbers are not a comparable the numbers are not comparable to a human rights group your human rights group b'tselem pointed out that since $967.00 israel has dispossessed palestinians of more than 2000 square kilometers on various pretexts and in violation of international law over $280.00 settlements in the west bank for more than 600000 jewish citizens so you build a lot for jews and you toss palestinians out into the streets well i beg to differ i think that every decision. is made after the trial after the court decision you know the israeli court is very much. affective
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and honest and has a reputation all over the world so every decision that is being made is being ruled after a court decision so i am i really believe that everything that is being done is totally legal and according to international law and israel in. well that's certainly disputed by large numbers of the international community and all the human rights groups let's talk about the normalization deals that you have with some of the arab states the u.n. aid the united arab emirates and bahrain last summer you referred to these deals and you said maybe this will convince the palestinians that it's time for them to do whatever the u.a.e. are willing to do to see israelis not as enemies but as friends you want the palestinians to be friends with the people who have consistently demolished homes
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and built on occupied land in violation of international law is that right well you keep repeating using. fake news. is. the dance week you. call the west bank but this is the death of my the bible it's not something that was invented by you or me and into that somalia which exists for 3 a 3800 years the jewish people is building its life once again it was never before and stayed there only occupiers and we came back to our homeland we are eager to have peace with the palestinians we are ready for them to have their independence in any way that does not. jeopardize our very existence they start negotiating with israel in 2046 years now they are not ready to enter
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a room and to sit with us and to try. to reach an agreement which is something that the u.a.e. did and bahrain did and morocco did and sudan did so this is exactly what i said if the palestinians would follow the arab countries that are now in peace with israel and will reach an agreement they will gain from it will have millions going through it they're reluctant to do it they're losing from it well it's not exactly a comparable situation as a because the us and bahrain haven't lived under occupation for 53 years and when it comes to judea and samaria what we call the west bank your own supremes court has ruled that you are holding that area in belligerent occupation they say nothing about your right to the land which you talk about polygyny an occupation you want the palestinians to be friends with the people who have imposed
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a splitter and occupation on them so the last 53 years is hardly comparable to the situation of the u.a.e. in bahrain is it again my friend these are not affected in 9094 reach an agreement with the palestinians which. stablished a palestinian authority. which is not under our occupation it has a problem and it has a constitution it has an army it has elections every time they want to have elections they have embassies more than israel all over the world we don't occupy them we don't really tell them what to do they have their own independence in so many ways and they mentions an area but still we need to reach the. final arrangements for the we leave with this autonomy with this policy or authority and as i mentioned unfortunately without no justification in the last 6 years they refuse to reach an agreement with us and even to sit in the same room with us this
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is a big mistake and unfortunately it causes tragedy to the palestinian people you tell me that you don't tell the palestinians what to do do you have any idea how many times your forces raid the homes of those palestinians in the west bank when you now want to treat his friends do you even know the average number of those raids on palestinian homes according to un dater and this is just 420172018 soldiers broke into your soldiers broke into palestinian homes throughout the west bank $6400.00 times an average of $267.00 incursions a month about 10 every night is that the way you hope to make friends with the palestinians and why do you think we do it. we think that we do it because we enjoy it i was a soldier in israel in the in the there somewhere for years my 3 sons were soldiers injured and somalia for years and they do exactly what you
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describe try to prevent terrorism and vile and atrocities and thousands thousands of israelis were massacred in terrorist terrorism activities that unfortunately were initiated by terrorist groups injured and some are in gaza i'm optimistic that the palestinians begin to understand that violence is not going to kick us out of the our land we are eager to live in peace with them and hopefully in the future they will accept the idea that president trump try to encourage to reach historic journey an agreement that will put an end to hostilities and to animosity between the people i believe that it's possible nobody believes it's possible with egypt jordan and bahrain. and sudan and morocco and it happened it will happen eventually with the palestinians once their leaders will come to their senses and
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understand that we are here to stay very close to her neck forever stanek but you had a perfect opportunity to show your desire for friendship with the palestinians by sharing your curve it vaccines with them but you haven't done that to 2 tiny gestures a 10100 vaccine doses was sent 2 weeks ago for medical personnel and some time soon $5000.00 is again for medical personnel why is it the palestinians living under occupation in the west bank don't get the same access to vaccines that israeli jews are getting living side by side with them and settlements why by the discrimination again you have to understand understand that your facts are not correct. as i told you the palestinian 30 is independent they have their own budget they have their own life and they made an agreement with countries to have seen both of them they did it with russia and china and other countries unfortunately they had problems
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that all these agreements were not fulfilled not because of us that because of problems between them and their colleagues so we voluntarily were ready and are ready to give them 5000 words in units and we are in the process of doing it for their medical. people in order for the medical people the doctors the nurses at least to be vaccinated. fast as possible and the same goes with the people in gaza that are not under occupation as you know israel withdrew from gaza many years ago . 2 decades ago and again gaza is totally dependent they have agreements with other countries so i can tell you this if the palestinians will ask from us we will help them your explanation is being bored by influential people around the world by the un or indeed politicians in the us we
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had new york congressman jamal bowman saying netanyahu must ensure that both israelis and palestinians have access to the covert vaccine the scrutiny is another reminder of why the occupation must end and a colleague of his congressman weiner. said he was just appointed a concern that the government's exclusion of palestinians living under israeli occupation despite making vaccines available to israeli settlers in the west bank so they're not buying your explanation mr. my friend i don't know why you keep repeating the lies of people there are only incorrect because there is no book you patient. there is a policy in authority that has its own life and independence and budget an agreement about the situation with other countries repeating the lie is going to going to change the reality it is our interest that the palestinians will be
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vaccinated you know why because they live with us howden and 30000 palestinians every day cross the border into israel to work with us 130000 people so our interest is that they will be vaccinated they made an agreement with other countries with russia they believe it's cheaper maybe it's more effective maybe it's more rapid this is that when they met the occupation is a lie because your own super in court confirm that you are holding judea and sumeria in belligerent occupation those are the words they've used several times over the years so it's not a line that you concern by your super into law it's a lie it's illegal it's it's a lie it's a legal terms because it's not occupation because we are not physically ruling over the life again you know that there is mr abu mazen he is the president president of what. president of our independent policy or authority when he goes abroad he has
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a place plan of war of of policy an air force when he goes out it meets to show a passport he doesn't he was going to have an airport he doesn't even have an airport mr halevi because the human element of them is against ahmed the airport you bombed the airport several years ago there's now you want to keep on lying this is up to you there is no airport into the somalia international airport was never there and it will never be because it's a small place but he goes through the israeli airport and he goes with the palestinian fast for he's not under occupation and he is welcomed all over the world and he goes to the united nations and nobody tells him what to say and he's criticizing israel in the most harsh where words and this is a good image because we are democrat democracy and we accepted policy that has their own intentions and their own history and their own spiritual so
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this is the situation but what he doesn't want to do unfortunately is still gushing with us to reach an agreement with us this might happen in the future probably when mr abu mazen is no longer the leader of the policy in rosary or i talk he hand a bed finger caviar and count legs and thank you very much for your time. thank you very much.
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