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nobody pushing. her no more right no climb a tree to burn car door. this is march when she brings home just one week. i'm going to work and really do. we still have time to work i'm going. to subscribe. to. this is the news after town on the program today one of the bolts resistance on news most notorious kamandi is convicted at the hey domini own when he has been found guilty for atrocities. committed when he commanded the ugandan rebel group. for. crimes. crimes against humanity.
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now they elaborate transform thousands of young boys and girls into child soldiers in its 30 year brain of tara i'll be talking to one of them. hello i'm christine one it's good to have your company a former kamandi in the taurus ugandan rebel group olds resistance army has been convicted of war crimes and crimes against humanity at the international criminal court dominick unwin was found guilty of $61.00 charges over a reign of terror in the early 2000 his crimes include murder rape sexual enslavement and the conscription of child soldiers he had denied all the charges when some special forces who were hunting and always found it he 2015 he will be
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sentenced at a later date he faces a maximum punishment off life imprisonment. you have noticed that skip this is dominick on where this trial has been years in the making with thousands of witnesses providing testimony us on when was a senior commander in joseph's kearney's lord's resistance army after having been abducted himself by the group in his youth kone founded the group in 1988 amid widespread ethnic fighting in uganda. the group committed rape mutilation torture and murder as it moved across uganda the democratic republic of congo the central african republic as well as south sudan the international criminal court also heard hours of recordings of commanders ordering atrocities. by laura leader joseph coney is still at large but the group is just
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a shadow of its former self now trial has been a chance for victims to confront an ongoing trauma the effects of which are still felt today. and my 1st guest today is a former child soldier in the n.r.a. and has since become an activist in a sense a poignant joins me from here in germany welcome to day to be his africa innocent i just want to begin by asking you how you were recruited by the mill its resistance army yeah thank you so much for watching me. i was. like did you do a lot of people in northern uganda to come in the middle of the night with you at gunpoint to join the man. so i was force i got going with my shovel to move to walk with them the same as my dad the same night it was abducted as a moment it was abducted unfortunate if we meet couldn't make it and was cute as a night i was forced to move with them to suss it out where i joined the rest of
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that attention to the us other sort of yes fighting but. in a somewhat became a movement. tell us about some of the atrocities that you saw in your time with the n.r.a. . or your nightmare as everything you can imagine happened in the end that it comes from people being stepped on just you know lionel sort of yes stepping on one child or want as idea would be so they didn't mob do you guys do like bullets in bed or prius or kind of beating up on this man went to find you listening to refuse and i'm this deep broadcasting program so that day what was i sure you were going to ask if you listen to these programs so it was really almost every kind of punishment you find. but it was that that is no it was our day they saw many young goes that we were forced as just sort of just to adopt and that it
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was true and used as that we the wife's. and domenicali when he's just been convicted at the hague for crimes he committed as as commodity off the n.r.a. how would you like to see the justice system deal with people like him. you know i would i would be a people create if i tell you that i would judge you must be because i want to was just sort of myself and the community well company bought it in judge me. i don't make what dominic was adopted at the age of 14 as i know. and of course if for the war that it was really an honest comment and he'd it was was again is this weird so that is a point where feel pity for you know where i would say he deserves forgiveness if. he's already as the n.r.a. to one must must develop cops like him and related to that whether q wow good of you jim wright one night. and inequality in 2004 tickets 16000
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people in one night in depressed times using my chips buying a life interest apps and only 9 of captivities and that is what it is when they keep it up all the people right in a sense what have you done to cope with your pasta. i skip the l.a. war i enjoyed it way beyond rehabilitation center well if i didn't like it because i was forced to go there at that time i was the most important thing that happened in my life because through that he had additional sand that was started by your life the meaning of forgiving and moving forward the fact that it was to do more in my life and since then i bore no to keep quiet not to speak with eventual grand was the inventor was that they don't understand and that's why i've grown strong to be up to this but it was less mostly children in war yes so what helped me most was
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sharing with people coming out and she had a past that i really you know want to physically and that is getting into reality i'm making peace with my house and through that i realize yes some people judge me when i started doing it and some people very sort of for me but both of them were not what i was seeking for i was seeking for was that speed issue or piecing where i kept what we now say describe him and i have to be with it i should make sure it doesn't happen to him not a technical. all right that is in a central point he's a former child soldier who's now in gates an ex of his and as he's been telling us we appreciate you coming on to the program thank you innocent. thank you. now when peds not guilty his defense argued that he himself was a victim because he had been abducted by the lord's resistance army as a young boy and suffered psychological damage as a result the judges rejects of this defense this of innocence to the presiding
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judge. that the overwhelming evidence paints a picture of the only grown woman as a person in full possession of his mental abilities he's described by his subordinates as an extremely capable fighter and commander. whom they love to follow you plant his attacks carefully and assess the risks together with his officers the evidence also shows that the negro man was not in a situation of complete subordination was very sort of corny but frequently acted independently and even contested orders received from joseph koni he was not a puppet on a string i'm now joined by henri in miracle he's a human rights watch africa research of based in nairobi welcome to the program it's great to have you here what do you make of the judge's dismissing dominic on
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wayne's defense that he himself was a victim because he was once a child soldier. well what i took from that was the. idea that. she the evidence that was presented during the trial that he was on when i was very calculating and made decisions that he should be held accountable for to commit some of the abuses that his brigade and he himself individual individually committed. my interpretation was that it wasn't so much about him being. formally abducted himself but about the fact that he made those decisions as an adult who had was fully aware of what was going on. right i mean we have to point out that this is the 1st time that the crime of forced pregnancy is considered by the i.c.c. how significant is that i think it's very significant because it takes cognizance
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of the impact of sexual and gender based violence in conflicts and that was one of . the big factors of what they did during the 20 years in which the the conflict raged we had innocent talking about girls as young as 12 being forced into marriage and forced to have children and this is something that really characterize that one it's obviously hugely important that people be held to account for those kinds of crimes. the the founder of the lord's resistance army joseph cohen he remains at large dominick and when is really the only one to have been convicted in a court of law would you say that justice is far from being served. i think justice as far as the conflict in northern uganda is concerned is very complex thing is many different dimensions to it criminal liability is one
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aspect of it but there's also questions of reparations on truthtelling of army conciliation which these are really important facets of the culture of the of not then of the people of northern uganda and all that some of those things haven't been addressed and of which it is the responsibility of the ugandan government really to provide for so 'd i would say this is a very significant step towards being some aspect of justice but it's it's in no way i think. possession of the full spectrum of what justice can and should be for the terms of of that war all right that is or am miracle he is human rights watch africa researcher coming to us from nairobi appreciate you being on the program thank you so much thanks. and that is a for now be sure to check out a lot of the stories on dot com forward slash africa we're also on facebook and on
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twitter today will need of you with pictures off innocent or born your he is the child soldier who ran away from the lord's resistance army and to use a gauge of activism today he has one aim that is to prevent what happened to him ever happening to him that the child will see next time.
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the foundation of the world order. the silk road. china wants to expand its influence with history the work. putting their social. welfare exception mamiya for. the new superpower will become dependent on playing
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it because the fate of the chinese state has a lot of money at his disposal of the book and that's how it's expanding and asserting its status and position in the world to play china's gateway to europe play starts feb 19th on d w. welcome to our culture we'll be talking to t.c. boyle about his brand new novel in a minute also coming up how does she do it these look like photos but there are actually paintings by dutch. to lay. out in these trying times a simple walk in the park and get those creative juices going. american writer t.c. barlow off to bases the extraordinary characters in his books on real people and
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his latest novel talk to me is no exception it's about a professor who does the talk shows with his chimpanzee that understands language my colleague sabina keyes the boss spoke to boyle about the book but also about the threat and limitations of the pandemic which is particularly rampant in california where he lives. the best selling author t.c. boyle lives in montecito california where unlike in most of the world right now the vaccination rollout is moving at a painfully slow pace. we caught up with him via video cool enough to him how he's coping. terror at all times not only the political terror that's been inflicted but this biological terror. i am of the age group who is vulnerable and i'm further
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vulnerable because i'm a pessimist. now i haven't gone anywhere or done anything. since this began within the last 10 months fortunately at least he's already received his 1st vaccination he lives in a house between the mountains and the ocean as a writer he's used to working at home by himself in that respect lockdown wasn't too hard to adjust to you know all. that horrible people misanthropic people 'd as well and i want of them yeah we don't want to be bothered by anybody or anything we want to live in our minds for ever has another side of life and that's a social scene which i really enjoy going to my village i live in a little village i know everybody part of my life is social and being with all those people in the village. that has. a lot of difficult. t.c. boyle has published more than 20 novels and short story collections if it weren't
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for the pandemic he'd be in germany right now promoting his new novel talk to me it tells at least in part the true story of an unusual experiment in the 1970 s. to tend the chimpanzee into a media star. and columbia university scientists placed a baby chimpanzee in a human household in order to study when the nim chimpsky as they called him could learn to communicate with fine language the experiment failed tragically and the chimp died young effectively of a broken homes the failed research project was the subject of a documentary released a few years ago. t.c. boyle has often explored the biographies and work of scientists in his writing so it comes as no surprise that boyle was fascinated by this almost 50 year old story he says this experiment was an attempt to find out what distinguishes man from
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beast a question that. long preoccupied us. how do you know who you are will you have language and you can talk well the deaf language is different it's a gestural language how does that work but yes i did all the went back to those days a little research seventies eighties the cross for string bands he's in human households raise and just as you raise your own child to see how language is developed in us but also how it is generally developed it's just really fascinating we work in words we are words where they come from why are we different from. t.c. boyle might be a felt pretty claimed pessimist but he's a hugely prolific one and not even a global pandemic is likely to dampen his extraordinary creativity. and you can see a longer version of that report on the 21 program this weekend that there are so
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many things we cannot do and enjoy juge of this terrible worldwide pandemic but looking on the bright side there are one of 2 things that have improved our lives the environment is one with less c o 2 emissions being recorded all over the world then there is the joy of getting out in the fresh air discovering the simple beauty of nature with a walk in the park. sweet was the wall poet sunrises like william wordsworth have always found the right words while on the move. around 1800 the philosopher emmanuel kant took daily walks outside koenig's back he went in order to think. it was the advent of the corona virus pandemic much of our everyday world has come to a standstill but the world has experienced a startling granny songs sometimes with a companion sometimes alone struggling aimlessly through the countryside but maybe
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there is a deeper purpose science says slowing down heightens our sense that it's the fast pace of modern life has destroyed our awareness of our immediate surroundings says mr martin schmitz a man who's dedicated his life to the science of walking. in love in my job wherever you are you can of course always ask yourself the question is it nice here that you can put all your preconceived ideas aside and just look at what's in front of you. and walking is beneficial from a purely medical point of view to get healthy and it costs nothing. in the general director of munich's i was happy to take museum forgets the outside world and strolls through a landscape that's shaped his life the genesis of sterling is depicted in many of the artworks here in the museum.
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there wasn't a lot of them in landscape painting of the 16th century do you see many travelers but they trade people usually they go into the market driving cattle chopping wood in the forest all this changes in the 18th century the more prosperous venture into nature not just to make a living then now just going for a walk in sports. and so we come full circle. thanks to a pandemic. nothing else left for us to do maybe if. it is a walk the walk talk the talk. a strong just. yes he is strong she is part of cultural studies and it was founded by swiss sociologist. cuts.
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game in the absence of other leisure time and cultural activities after how many other people as we heard it's been the subject of countless editorials and. video. taken on a little walk why not keep up then. the radius of my town walks and learning more about my environment. district. and i've discovered for example the great eve. the german cinema pioneer who staged the 1st film screening to a paying audience he also lived in my neighborhood in this house here now the discovery a little further afield discovered the soviet war memorial a great place to unwind and contemplate and here.
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the difference between. strolling traditionally is. taking in i'm actually a bit of a power struggle because i like the exercise benefit that you get we can take a look at my. countryside last sunday you quickly become immersed in the landscape . reading the signs and being read by not thinking consciously but actually seeing the thoughts unfold and i find this to be amazingly therapeutic and did you actually get close to those did get very close there they were eating out of my hand. was always a pleasure thank you very much for being with us. thank you. now this artist's work so often require
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a 2nd look before you realize to actually paintings or not photographs paint. is able to create works like this with little more than some oil paint brush and a lot of patients. deceptively real and detail down to the last highlight none of these portraits are photographs they are painted by my research. using her sophisticated techniques the artist from the dutch town of cats like is able to capture scenes as if from one canvas. she calls her contemporary relisten. think realistically you have the power to confine someone what they're looking at so you can literally create your own world with your own reality in order to create her own world as convincingly as possible 39 your peers templi to do this she hires more
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often leading the men for hours making sketches and taking photos she works on a large tree for up to 3 months. the likes best to combine different techniques. and oil painting. she never studied. she worked as an illustrator for years and taught herself everything she knew through many visits to museums among other things. huge library books and in those books they often describe techniques to the parents i know where the taking coming from i know how to make my own pain. in the beginning she concentrated on. realistically is possible. c since she is further developed her style and likes to use additional. coolant leak . washing away my saw.
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the artificial suv in this picture food pisses on one of her greatest concerns the pollution of the seas. we took a lot of time to see it gave us our job it gave us our pleasure and i think it's time to give back so it my paintings nowadays i feel like i owe something to denature to see because it's so polluted. finally we remember the genius of film production design the can who was born 100 years ago the new bond film keeps being delayed but we can enjoy the ingenuity of kant out of his designs in many of the james bond movies in 1960 s. and seventy's i leave you with some classic examples.
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is day that we newsline from the international criminal court convict said ugandan former rebel chief of crimes against humanity it was resistance army command that domenic only one committed offenses including torture child sexual slavery and murder in a faces life in prison also on the program and he raided diplomats convicted of masterminding a full. bomb plot in france in 2018 teheran condemns the sentence describing it as illegal the violation of international. organizations here in germany call on the
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government to do more to help children and young people cope with the long term effects of living through the carpet and then. i still get a welcome to the program. the international criminal court has convicted a ugandan former rebel commander of war crimes including multiple but his rape and systematic forced marriages judges in the hague found that double take on when is a former commander in the lord's resistance army is the 1st all right commanded to be put on trial and convicted by the i.c.c. after sentencing he could face life in prison. children's drawings of executions mutilations torture making these pictures help them process what they've been through in northeastern uganda more than 60000 children were abducted and then
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abused as child soldiers or sex slaves to do this more than 100000 ugandans were murdered over the course of around 25 years dominic on when the former commander of the lord's resistance army was among those responsible for these crimes at the i.c.c. has now found him guilty of 61 counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity and for the 1st time ever a conviction has been handed down for forced pregnancy forced marriage talks rape sexual slavery and slave meant. forced pregnancy and outrages upon personal dignity but on one himself was once a victim he was a child soldier and tortured and abused before becoming a perpetrator almost every family in uganda's north has victims to mourn victor origin was also abused he now stands up for victims and survivors and was nominated for the nobel peace prize in 2015 it is
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a good move that. 'd just. unites a lot of debate before the. public being rhodes the court must now decide on when sentence but after being found guilty on $61.00 counts dominic when faces a life sentence. d.w. correspondent to wendy bashir has been following this story a welcome wendy i'm talking through the key points of the verdict in this case which the judge described as exceptionally extensive and complex. you know. as we all know demi god when was audited today by the i.c.c. for war cream and cream against humanity but also for 6 royal cream that include rape fast marriage and pregnancy we also have to know their. savings account crime before due to quirks and also the complexity
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of this case is the fact that the media can wait was it checked soldier of so the question is how when when someone who was a victim and it is in. war and just facts can be very. late in the case the judge say that the fact that he was a child soldier it's not dead irrelevant because there is no doubt about its responsibility in all at the play and instead the guy out the guard is. and what role the dominical winds victims played in the trial. this is the 1st time where in a case we have 4000 people participate in the trail as a great team because the specific city. that we're here we are doing a city will also have to know that the jury didn't tell you process the community
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actually 25 local communities was elected he basically only under process by your ring barry you indiscreetly of every state do crosses. a many places where do we need to own when was involved to disclose the battle of. our own way and we heard in the report that joseph cohen here another kid a figure in the lord's resistance army his still a loose so how does evaded capture for so long. yes we all know there is many organization for example every people are children. working and their grades in tragedy in there and in some places still according to the last information you may be you know small. at the border between sudan and south sudan but no one had afforded more men in many states the regions and also the
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international. distaste try to people underground to find food to find him and to bring. he certainly some master the next table entire process but joseph kony still in treatment today and many people for example in your gunna. get brought that situation thank you for that correspondent wendy basher. so as take a look at some of the other stories making headlines around the world u.k. regulators have stripped china's state television channel c g t n of its broadcasting license forcing it off and british media watchdog of com said it was against u.k. broadcasting law for china's communist party to control the channel beijing has hit back at using britain's public broadcaster b.b.c. inaccurate reporting and covered 19 in china. prominent critic of shiite militant
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group hezbollah has been found dead in lebanon officials say journalist and publisher of lochlann slim was shot multiple times in his car as he travelled in the country's south in addition to his activism is the slim is also a leading authority on lebanon's civil war fumble. the ball is facing a nationwide strike in protest of the dissolution of parliament at least $77.00 protesters including a former minister were arrested in the capital katmandu parliament was dissolved on the 25th of december at the direction of the prime minister the new elections were announced for april and may. own radiant diplomat has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for masterminding a full bomb plot in france in 2018. a saudi was based in austria when he was arrested at his request for diplomatic immunity was rejected didn't attend the court hearing in the belgian city of antwerp refused to testify at his trial last
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year at which prosecutors said he was behind a plan to attack an exiled iranian opposition group in france iran has condemned the sentence describing it as illegal and a violation of international law. the w correspondent barbara vessel in brussels can tell us more welcome barbara bring us more of the background to this case. yeah this is straight out of john le carre this allows us to look into the secret dealings of the secret services of hostile nations in new york this man was the resident off the iranian secret service at the embassy and ghana and he worked there for several years obviously without everybody knew about it at least the secret services knew who he was but nothing really happened and then the must touch the israeli secret service gave it to to the european colleagues and said watch out he is really planning something that you know he had brought in a handy little bag was expensive explosives from tehran on
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a regular flight handed this over in like some park to a belgian main incompetent was then supposed to travel to paris and where they were trying to blow up this opposition meeting by the way there well a lot of international guests there. a lawyer rudy giuliani for instance and members of parliament of several countries so didn't this would have been tremendous political fallout had this plot really succeeded however the whole thing was so inept everybody involved could be caught and they found themselves then in court. because they had a number of these people had double belgian nationality and now they're supposed to go to jail which is something that never happens in 5 of those doesn't right so i forgot. he was a diplomat so why why didn't he have diplomatic immunity. then i
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a say the immunity applies to the country where you are credited you not supposed to travel to other countries and commit criminal acts if you are then picked up by the police there then your host country can say ok we withdraw the immunity for him which was which with something that the that the austrians immediately did and so it was but only of course he would say no i'm a diplomat i can do whatever wherever but that is not true legally and so his full attention was over once he was caught and the nice thing about. the german secret service is now having a field day with what they found in his car after they picked him up in germany because he had kept those very neat notebooks noticed everything down over the years whom he met where and when how much money he paid to his agents so they can take now his whole network rights or is this cooling or is this court ruling like it's reflected already tense relationship between iran and i'm the last. yeah of
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course tehran to protest against this but what this means really feel is that it's a sign of the west european country saying listen we have fed up with this we know you're working here and you have been working here for years and attacks against remnants in exile are something that happens again and again 2 years ago for instance in the netherlands kurdish politicians where attacked as so we want to tell you tehran that we're fed up with this stuff that so it is a political message that is being sent here a 2nd story well told thank you for that bob revised. well the coronavirus pandemic is turned children's lives upside down with schools closed and activities canceled it's not just the education that's suffering restrictions and lockdowns are also having an impact on their development and well being german chancellor angela merkel has hosted a virtual meeting with citizens about family issues she promised to work towards
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reopening daycare centers and schools to give children back a sense of normality children from poor backgrounds are at particular risk here in germany a children's organization according to the government to provide more support for young people during the crisis. i real quick about it friends now feels like a fantasy for children like 9 year old luna growing up during the pandemic has often meant missing out. this is the hardest thing i spending days. without having much contacts are the people who contacted him and. it's changed my character a bit. i've been lonely without anyone to do things with. and i've really missed. it. but not before the pandemic around 30
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children would come to this after school club in berlin every day now they're making do with $1.00 to $1.00 activities for a couple of hours a week. some relied on the club for a hot meal to make sure they don't go hungry director bianca's on the feds prepares 10 to 20 meals a day for the kids to collect. but most things children made can't be packed up to take home. from an educational perspective it's been encouraged as we give every day that's being lost and that's what's really difficult at the moment we can't carry out our everyday work in terms of inspiring the children crowd showing them new perspectives. and the conversations we have here often open up a whole new world for these children and if that's not possible right now that's really sad. and that's not unsafe polwarth. the
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crisis has hit children from poor families especially hard one in every 5 children in germany is growing up in or at risk of poverty with a household income of less than 60 percent of the national average they often have less space at home like the equipment they need for online learning and restrictions have made it harder to access supports. the children growing up in poverty this is a very hard year a last year when it comes to their education and social to. that meant and they just won't be able to catch up so no more so it's important that we support these families now and don't wait until the crisis is over with us then because of a body of. childhood can be put on ice for all children's resilience and adaptability this period will have long term consequences. just entre much of the top story the international criminal court has convicted the ugandan former rebel commander of war crimes ranging from multiple murders to break
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in systemic systematic forced marriages dominic long going to be sentenced later the could face life in prison. as it you up to date i beg off will have a look at the top of the hour stephen beardsley has who teed up the business of dates next the day.

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