military to have to lift her house arrest and grant democratic concessions 5 years later in l.d. party one an absolute majority in the 1st 3 elections suchi became the country's minister of foreign affairs and de facto head of government but the military led by army chief men long retained its grip on power meaning that suit she remained a head of government at the mercy of the military. as a result of basic democratic freedoms like freedom of the press and protection for minorities remain elusive during her time in power. is this the end of. physics let me pass that last question right on to you is this the end of the the end of her ability to influence political developments in her country well i wouldn't say so. i think there we must differentiate between the formal political process and there i agree was yes need a very much looks like these trumped up charges would quite possibly lead to her

becoming essentially becoming boss from running for public office. that includes actually the wide end of the leadership she won't be the only one that's what i expect that will be charged on some walkie talkie whole what have you incident violating covert rules there will be some fabrications in that direction by the military government i'm pretty certain on that powell ever outside of the for the political process process street politics. mobilization of the opposition and so on and so forth i don't think she will disappear from the public mind anytime soon maybe that's what the generals are hoping for but i can see that happening because the new history of myanmar also is with regards to her over a decade of house arrest shows that she was never really away in terms of wielding political influence however informal that was let me ask you

a quick follow up question relating again to your opening statement which referred to the illiberal and partly authoritarian transition to democracy did she actually achieve anything substantive for her country in terms of moving toward democracy or was she in the end essentially a marionette of the military no i wouldn't say the latter is true i don't think she was a marionette in any way of the military i think. in certain aspects she's actually she was an anti in military she or she they were quarrels with the military leadership but for example if you look at the rohingya issue if you look at also the treatment of other ethnic minorities you can see that she shared some of the sentiments shall we say that are prevalent in the military but also in the wider population on how to deal with ethnic strife on how to deal with quote unquote illegal immigrants because this was the title or the reference used for the

ringer so there you can see i think some sort of coming together however essentially. since 2012 since 2012 we have this almost 0 sum logic come conflict between the. on the other hand on the one hand and the military on the other over who basically runs the state so i don't think she was a marionette at all they were really butting heads and over the last year this has really hardened and from what we know communication actually between the military leadership and the civilian leadership led by the facts of the bridge had broken down for quite some time so your opening statement mentioned human rights but uncensored she in the end was no unsullied advocate of human rights as just mentioned she actually denied that ethnic violence was being perpetrated by the military against muslim communities and she even traveled to the hague to defend

her country against charges of genocide was that her own doing do you think or would she have been compelled to do so by the military. so. a lot of there's a lot of speculation and different controversies around this topic bought i think that on some switch she did it the genocide acts against a range of people who are committed primarily by at the leadership of the military and as we have discussed before the military actually hold a lot more power they always have in me emma and she's some people have said she is kind of the pawn of the military to some extent and it's always a question about compromise how is she willing to to what extent can we fight for democracy at the hands of bloodshed so she is. she has denied genocide against her or him to people even though the united

nations and the international criminal court they have found extensive evidence of widespread violence and a genocidal acts against their heads of people however to the extent that we know that. she is personally responsible she is just the face of many people responsible for these acts of violence and and this is i think the big debate also is like to what we willing to fight for democracy in the name because all these people range of people can stay thousands have been killed and. yes i think on the songs which she. she was trying to keep the military and her potty and the struggle for democracy on the level and people say that if she had spoken soon enough against the hinge then maybe the coup would have happened sooner

. let me ask you yasmin about commander in chief min. own implication or own involvement in the violence he has been condemned internationally including by the united nations human rights council and sanctioned for his role in the violence perpetrated against the road so what would you say this could do which gives him more power will mean for muslim communities in myanmar. well i think the situation will worsen what we have seen so far will worsen i mean already when the ethnic cleansing against. connecticut the civilian parts of the government did not have much control over what happened in rakhine state and our own sense that she is definitely to blame for not defending the ruhi jeff for not coming out in defense of the regime jeff we're not defending human rights even though she was a human rights i can at the time by the civilian parts of the government didn't

control the situation on the ground and it was the military who controlled the situation on the ground and it still does in rakhine state and what ed what's added on now is that we have even less transparency. off what's actually happening in these areas even less oversight even though there was no that has never been proper severity and oversight to speak off in the 1st place felix looking at the clock don't have a lot of time left so i would like to talk about the international community and what it can and should do in response to the coup the united nations security council met but took no action not least of course because of russian and chinese influence the u.s. state department and the german cooperation ministry a thinking about cutting off support would that make a difference should countries even be considering sanctions against the military

regime or would that simply push me on mar into the arms of china. well. for start sanctions already do exist because of the rohingya crisis than have and for coming from the e.u. coming from the us so that's already the case i think it's very likely that they will be extended and expanded in the wake of the military coup so because for the sole reason that i think western governments won't stand by in the face of a military coup. basically launch things sanctions in response will they make a difference that's a different question than my answer would be. most likely not at least not in the short. term perspective why because of if we look at the myanmar's history and

especially the role of the military we see that has been for quite some time sort of immune to external pressures that include sanctions the generals have actually did fairly ok have actually done fairly ok even during the hay days of myanmar essentially being a pariah state internationally through their business dealings with china through moving money to singapore to hong kong and other places so it really affects badly the general population especially the poor people of the country but it's not the right angle i think to really put a lot of pressure on the military itself so your statement mentioned economic fallout from the coup in fact myanmar's economy flourished as the generals were relaxing their grip do you think that will change will this deter foreign investment briefly if you would yes i think that now that we must under care for a year this will severely at least impact the terza industry has come to open its

doors to many tourists at one point. i had a one of the highest percentage of new coming tarus in the world and now that's all shut down and tourists are they are too scared of the situation the security situation is not is not good for tourism at this time and a lot of people rely on the informal economy in terms of them to make ends meet let me very quickly come back to our title death knell for democracy and ask where you think whether you think the prospects for democracy medium to long term are now dead. democracy yes i mean what i'm basically expecting to see a situation like on the pain saying government when the military liberalized a bit and opened up the country a bit between 201-2011 tremaine fully in charge also off the

political handlings off the country through its proxy part of the us they paid and i think we're likely to see a similar scenario in the future off of the military you how holds for unfair election thank you thank you to all of you for being with us thanks to you out there for tuning in see you soon. of a member of. in

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