can it hold up the shaking the chinese state has a lot of money as disposal. and that's how it's expanding and asserting its status and position in the world in the face of the bubbles. china's gateway to europe starts feb 19th on d w. in the middle of a pandemic information can save lives lockdowns give social media more social value so what is facebook up to down under this morning facebook blocked all news leaks for users in australia no viewing no sharing tonight hash tag delete facebook is trending again australia's prime minister has a reminder for big tech you may be changing the world but that doesn't mean you're running the world to i'm bored golf in berlin this is the day.

the season assault on a stalker is nice and it is a assault on people's freedom facebook was wrong facebook sections were unnecessary that way and if you're doing business in a strat it needs to comply with the laws we just want the rules in the digital world to be the sign that exists in the real world and there are many eyes across the world that a focused on what a stranger is doing right now we started a fight to stop the staff and perhaps it's time to put people on the profit. also coming up the state of texas in a deep freeze the power grid has collapsed it is so severe that some people are faced with either freezing to death or burning their possessions to stay warm. every source of power that the state of texas has has been compromised and if out

of the house it's almost like minus 3 and of one it's recalling time. but to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and to all of you around the world welcome we begin the day down under where no news in the news is the news on social media on thursday in a decision facebook described as regrettable the social media giant blocked all news leagues for users in australia and unexpected move in what has become a standoff between facebook google and the australian government and a new law will require big tech companies to pay for the news content that is posted and shared on their platforms the wall has critics who say forcing anyone to pay to link information online basically breaks the internet google has already reached agreements with some of australia's biggest publishers and news outlets but

facebook it's balking and says the legislation does not reflect the reality of how business and social media work today's decision constitutes a direct challenge to the legislative authority of australia and that did not go unnoticed among lawmakers their air original mission was to bring the place to get out and to allow people to help share and express what matters to them well that seems to have been replaced by profit the people i think i still think terrible and i can get all my needs in the one spot so believe me there are fictive least to astronomy and says you will not fund content. on aflat form which comes from. an organization which employs professional journalists which has editorial policies which has fact checking prices when governments are on we are now laurel i'm not putting up a framework where they can hold apple's book accountable and keep their right

ingrained in place. it will be able to say that. maybe it will mean that people read less is a great station. as soon as we have a very small set of its own platforms controlling access to news for example that is not just a question of compensation it's actually a question of. resilience a question of getting to from. new. question of dependency well facebook and friends australia but that does not answer the question who will pay for news content and quality journalism to talk about that that should down down under i'm joined tonight by 2 media insiders from new york jeff jarvis is a journalism professor at city university of new york he's a blogger at buzz machine dot com he has also written several books including what would google do and matthew ingram writes about digital media for the columbia

journalism review his piece out today is entitled google and facebook grapple with news publishers as all straight you have becomes a test case gentlemen to both of you welcome to the program matthew let me start with you how did all stray you've become as you write ground 0 in the battle over who pays for news. well australia took laws that have been advanced in countries like france and germany and took a an extra step so they made a stronger version of those types of laws and i think that's really concentrated well you can tell it's concentrated the attention of both google and facebook and they're doing everything in their power to get australia to change. and we see jeff facebook and google diverging down under google signing deals with news corp

for example facebook blocking australian publishers from posting or sharing news on its platform what's your take on this all of this started some years ago as matthew said in germany with aleister threat which is the ancillary copyright was an effort to try to get money out of the platforms and it's not work very well now australia has gone farther and said basically pay up or else and google said ok we'll pay up we're sick of this facebook said we'll take the else and they called australia's bluff in australia this is a law that came straight out of rupert murdoch with politicians in his pocket it is nothing short of blackmail and bribery of the platforms and it does break the web if you want to tax the platforms war that's a few but the entitlement of thinking that should go to new publishers why wouldn't it go to health care or education or internet access well jeff i mean the critics going to come back and say shouldn't we be paying the news outlets for the

content that they are providing the content that is being shared on these platforms . that's the fallacy of this legislation in any sane and normal market the publishers would be paying the platforms for the publishers are just putting up a headline or a little bit of a lead so they can send traffic people us to the publishers and that's free marketing. leave the platforms aren't really getting any value out of the news in fact a problem i think we're going to discover here is how valueless news is to both google and facebook facebook says only 4 percent of its traffic is news and now that's going to go down to 0 in australia i mean do you agree with that matthew i mean we i've always heard that having a set of eyes on anything on any surface area when we're talking about the web brings in advertising revenue so automatically by having a platform that has news content aren't you automatically generating more revenue

than you would without the content. sure you are and i think google and facebook would both argue that publishers benefit from being seen by more people that's why they put their content on those platforms there are quite easy ways to not have your content on those platforms in google's case you can add a single line of text to a robot's text file which tells them not to call your web site so if you don't want to put your content there you don't have to and if you do put it there you're effectively benefiting from the reach that that gets you in the traffic that they send you and so google and facebook are arguing. we provide you a benefit yes you share your content and we use it to attract people or keep them there but you get them out of a benefit as well so why should we pay on top of well if if we look at the last 20 years advertising revenue has gone from newspapers particularly united states straight to facebook and google at the 80 percent now of the revenue that the

newspapers used to have has gone to google and facebook so do they not just automatically have a responsibility to help pay for the news content jeff i mean advertising story go ahead i was just going to say advertising was advertising was leaving newspapers before the internet came along t.v. took advertising away lots of other things took advertising away i don't think it was just google and facebook they're they're by far the sort of largest players in digital ads now but it's not as though that money was siphoned directly from newspapers to them. ok and nor did god give those publishers that revenue and so there was a new competition it's a reality of capitalism well then who's going to pay for the the local news content that i think we would all agree that democracy is functioning democracies have to

have in order to have an educated and informed electorate. it's going to take time to figure that out i'm researching a book now on the gutenberg age and it took a 100 for 200 years before we got the copyright and the business model for print it took 150 years before the newspaper was invented this could be a very long stream here newsy news is right now a very inefficient industry we copy each other all the time we waste resources doing the same stories if we got down to the nub of an efficient and effective journalism i think it's more likely to be supported yes still by advertising yes by subscription but by other mechanisms we work on this at my school commerce membership other mechanisms to help pay for news what about treating news as a public good instead of as a a commodity or a commercial good i think you could definitely do that

and that might even be a good thing but you certainly wouldn't do it the way australia has i mean if you want to say that google and facebook control a large part of the web and we should tax them and use that revenue to help media and then you should do that the problem i think a lot of people have with this law is that it's a kind of backdoor way of doing that if you if you want to tax tech companies and fund media then do that. and jeff that aren't that you have the last thought here before we run out of time is it the big fear right now when the world's watching else trail you know that that legislation is going to become something like a contagion and we're going to see it here in the european union and maybe even in the united states. well yesterday with the heritage of minister in canada matthews holder has talked about does iraq see this legislation the e.u. has talked about it as well as i said it really springs from legislation in germany and now in the e.u. with the digital copyright act there this is going around and around and i think

it's felicia's because it's not really about copyright it's not really about content this is about the relationships that both publishers and blood forms have with citizens jeff jarvis and mathew ingram to both of you gentlemen we appreciate you taking the time to talk about this this story has some long legs i'm sure we'll be talking again thank you thanks. it has not been this cold in texas in decades now on day 3 of a massive winter snap thinkers are being pointed at who is to blame for the millions of people who are left without power and heating many still don't have electricity this in a state that produces more energy than the entire country of britain texas has its own independent power grid separate from the u.s. power grid in a moment we'll talk about the temps and troubles in texas but 1st this

a look at how low temperatures in the lone star state have become life threatening . to cold and how some brave to loan icy thrice to get their loved ones to a warm shelter to spend a chest shop in houston has a generator to keep the lights on the owner is letting family stay overnight. or sitting. in the trailer as an isolation anything like that says quote of the week we can't we can't afford to have them freezing not being able to feed freedom. he's grow for propane canisters to power gas stoves grills to cook because millions of homes still have no electricity. the unexpected cold snap crippled the power grid. of the every source of power that the state of texas has has been compromised whether it be renewable

power such as wind or solar but also as i mentioned today. access to coal generated power access to gas generator power at systems for hours and equipment failed energy companies used to rolling blackouts to conserve electricity. water pipes best in the blistering cold texas officials warned residents to boil tap or to the for drinking it claiming damage to water infrastructure. with low temperatures expected for a few more days many texans have no choice but to struggle lone it's hard to imagine that's happening in the united states to talk about that i'm joined tonight by mark jacobson he's a professor of engineering with the energy program at stanford university morgans good to have you on the program you know this isn't the 1st time we've seen cold

weather in the united states it happens all the time in minnesota and wisconsin and there of the grid doesn't collapse so why did it collapse in texas. well in texas well the 1st thing to point out is that in texas each person uses $2.00 to $2.00 and a quarter times the electricity compared with the person in california so that is very inefficient energy system they don't have much energy efficiency buildings or not whether it is very well so they have a lot of heat and cold losses and so that's the 1st thing so there's a huge demand for energy and then with this it's very rare that you get this cold temperature in texas and it happened in 2011 as well but you know everything frozen nuclear plant nuclear reactor was shut down because of the cold 50 percent of the enter the electricity is purchased from natural gas and the natural gas mining was shut down as well as the distributions as the national generation and some wind

turbines were. frozen but not all of it and maybe about 35 percent but it's you know there are other countries like denmark where they have her 50 percent of their wind sort of 50 percent are interested from wind and there's no problem at all that's because they're prepared with you know devices on the turbines to go with the ice so texas was prepared terms of the wind and in terms of just the rest of the infrastructure we see that's been patient you see they were prepared to market but it's it sounds like if i'm understanding you right it sounds like that the authorities the regulators in charge of the whole energy grid they just haven't been investing they haven't been spending the money because they thought that mother nature would let them get away with it. yeah i mean temperatures are generally warmer in texas that it don't have these events and in fact with regard to the wind and wind has grown since 2000. humongous lid and you know they just

were maybe doing it one time in a little bit or not but you know as i mentioned they're not only other countries but many states in the u.s. that are much colder than texas and they have no problem with their winter mines so that was not the problem in a lot of people are blaming the winter bodies without just a minor portion of it is mostly natural gas coal and nuclear there went down every energy source to go down. and what do you make of the republican governor in texas greg abbott. he was trying to twist the narrative here suggesting that the power power failure would have been even worse if the state relied more heavily on renewable energy. i mean is that even true. no it's the actual it's the opposite when you actually rely completely on renewable energy 1st of all that you have of not only just wind wells not onshore wind is also offshore wind and texas has a huge amount of offshore wind for example that you don't get the it's the freezing

problems associated with the there's solar it is a big state so you could have some places where the solar is not very good because there's a huge storm but other plumbers the city do generate solar and battery storage and other types of storage and nurse but there's also as i mentioned efficiency like instead of heating homes with gas heaters if they switch to heat pumps they use one 4th of the energy as a gas heater so in terms of electricity only one 4th the electricity to just don't eat as much energy to keep going to things going and let in fact electrify everything in texas and providing electricity with clean renewable energy would reduce power to me and use power demand by around 60 percent because i'm a sufficient c. of electricity or combustion you know. that up there would be a big improvement definitely i've got about a minute left in me ask you this texas has its own grid system that separate from the u.s. grid did that did that play a role in this disaster. it does because you know other states where

there like california for example when it doesn't have enough electricity it imports the felicity from other states and regions whereas texas has limited ability to do that and so that's part of keeping the grid stable with renewable energy because you know even if one place you don't have a lot of noodles somewhere else in the country you have a lot going on and so that really helps to keep the grid stables but you're connecting through the transmission system better so you're growing up storage as well i mean having batteries you know having individual homes with solar batteries surface or a number if you started off in the batteries to keep it going for 3 or 4 years you know so it's really an optimization problem if it is possible to solve a problem with just clean renewable energy and what you say seems to make a lot of sense a lot of common sense marc jacobs from from stanford university's energy program aren't we appreciate your time and your insights tonight thank you. i think you're

. the u.k. is launching the world's 1st study of people volunteering to be infected with the coronavirus that's after the trial received the backing of the country's ethics panel dozens of volunteers between the ages of $18.30 will be exposed to the virus without being vaccinated beforehand and the aim here is to track how the immune system responds and to identify factors influencing how infected people transmit the virus the trial using less susceptible young people is not without critics regulators here in germany rejected similar tests calling them an ethical but the british project's director says the trials are essential to staying one step ahead of mutations doman bartle china's most because they directly inoculate volunteer is able to establish whether the vaccines working extremely crazy eventually that will

be barriers which are which is aids then they eat the current vaccines and new vaccines will be needed for more i'm joined tonight by dr david strain from the university of exeter medical school in england dr strange it's good to have you on the program explain for our viewers how infecting people with existing forms of the corona virus young healthy people and how will that help engine ear vaccines against future mutations. yeah good evening so the 1st stage of doing any sorts of vaccine program is to get a great to understanding of the disease when kobe 91st presented itself in the u.k. we also felt the studies were unethical because at that time we didn't know enough about the disease we didn't know how it spread we didn't know the way it was transmitted through the body we don't know the fire a load for example that it takes to go from exposure through to infection we now

know a lot about the disease itself so we know what happens if you present with co it that we've got very good at treating that but we still don't know the requirement to go from being exposed to somebody with corona virus 3 to actually getting that disease that's the 1st stage of this this exposure program is to get a great understanding of that element and then it's to work with the different vaccines in order to figure out the best ways to prevent that for future variants of the corona virus before they actually start spreading amongst the general population we understand the people taking part in the human challenge trials they're very young at the oldest will be 30 you specialize in health care for older adults i want to play something one of your colleagues has said and then i want to find out if you agree take a listen the immune system of a younger person is very different from the insistence of an older person so you

will get slightly different sponsors and younger people having said that we can learn an awful lot about how the virus acts by tracking it sort of from the very beginning of infection minute by minute to see what those responses are and we can use that information to design better therapies and vaccines just strain do you agree that the results the information gleaned from younger participants will be beneficial for all age groups especially older people who we know are more at risk from the coronavirus. and i agree with everything that was in that statement and tali the need systems are difference we do see unison essence but we have to guess the vaccines right 1st then getting the vaccines right in the younger population who got the lowest risk of having an adverse outcome from mainz those vaccines and then spread and be used in other populations and this is the way the vaccines that we already have were developed the pfizer vaccine and mcdonough vaccine did knox for vaccine and know the facts all started in these young 6 healthy population and

then they moved older populations and eventually were tested in the frail and a very fun rable this is a good way of getting the next generation of vaccines that started. it was in fascinating the way you describe it this is a voluntary study you've said that there might be some issues with the full disclosure requirement so what would be the problem there so that's the biggest issue that we have with these types of studies we know that the to do a study to get a good ethical approval you need full disclosure as to what the risks of the studies are and we know that the population aged between 18 to 30 that are volunteering for the study has got a very low risk of going to i.c.u. or to die of dying of this disease the only clue that we don't yet know is

what the risk factors off for the long cove it. let me ask you this before we run out of got about 30 seconds i spoke earlier this week with sharon peacock and she heads the ukase genome sequencing center or consortium for corona virus mutations are you working together with that consortium i mean because it sounds like your work would complement each other. and there are many different centers within within the u.k. on the genetics and that center is 5 far and away the biggest actually that is the reason that we know so much about the different mutations in the u.k. we are doing almost whole of the gene the typing of this bars anyone around the world and the 2nd closest country to us when it comes to gene and i think is south africa is doing 8 times fewer than we are and that's why the appearance sais that the majority of new variants are arising in the tank when the reality is we're the only people who are still looking for it which is why we're finding them well

you're doing very important valuable work and we certainly appreciate it dr david strain from exeter medical school thank you for your time and your insights tonight you're welcome. well the day's almost done the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter w news you can follow me off t.v. every member whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. to. move.

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this is g w news live from berlin tonight spain sees a 3rd night of fire in fury following the jailing of a controversial rapper barcelona and other cities see renewed unrest as protesters take to the streets once again to demand the release of pablo. he was convicted of glorifying terrorism and insulting the royal family also coming up tonight facebook unfriends all stroy you know without notice the social media heavyweight today bans of news content from its australian platform and arrogant move says the government

as it plans to make tech giants pay for journalism and millions of texans are spending another day without heat and electricity after deadly winter conditions crippled the power grid it's left households with $1.00 even one. is good to have you with us spanish cities are seeing a 3rd night of on rest as anger grows over the conviction of a spanish rapper protesters in barcelona have set up burning barricades there are also demonstrations we understand in. the protests began on tuesday died after pablo hospital was sentenced to 9 months in prison for tweets and lyrics that prosecutors say glorified terrorism and slandered them on our demonstrators say the

conviction is an attack on free speech dozens of people have been arrested. all right here we go again more on this story i'm joined now by journalist stephen bergen in barcelona good evening to you stephen so what brings young people back to the streets again tonight. well i suppose it's just a continuum review. of what we've seen before. and partly because the police to. change. that sort of less everything and. try to stop it. from a rather late in the day. on this. i

think that. since we talked about this just with. his. own thing it was only sentence months. in spain it's a 1st offense and the kids to aspire to here you go actually you know. it's. sunday exemption it consists. of it's prayers let me ask you the meanest in december to take that. sentence to a for that. or not to do with free speech. because he actually read the witness the. you know so we've got this information coming to the streets and. setting to the arcades. you know the situation

situation is now coming because one of the sort of oddities of the situation is that. there's a curfew we've had a curfew since december at 10 o'clock so the rising ends at 10 o'clock and everyone behaves you know like like good citizens because of covert and goes. all right another us. because of because of. the city is a serious economic problems and there's a huge amount of vandalism of small businesses and i think there's beginning to be a action against against what's going on ok stephen bergen in barcelona stephen we appreciate your reporting tonight we apologize to you for the bad altie of connections there thank you for. ok. facebook has blocked news content from its platform in australia the latest twist in a heated dispute with the government as kamber considers legislation to force tech

companies to pay for the journalism that they carry facebook and google have been fighting the proposals which they say do not reflect the way the internet works but facebook's action came just hours after google reached a deal with australian news companies many australians woke to a surprise this morning facebook at unfriended suddenly they couldn't access local and international news through the social media site it's a dramatic escalation of a conflict over australian efforts to force tech giants to pay for journalism. i think facebook finding this is terrible why do you say so it seems to me i mean i can get all my needs in one spot so believe me. congress said the ban on news had a huge community impact $17000000.00 australians visit facebook every month it's even being called an assault on democracy. facebook was wrong.

facebook sections were unnecessary that way heavy handed and they will damage its reputation here in australia frydenberg said facebook gave no warning of the new shutdown. wants to table a law that would require online giants to negotiate payment for news outlets content or have fees set for them some experts have their doubts about the law and say it needs to be reevaluated the story is a bit more complicated than just saying that's up from scott of content from news outlets and they benefit from it that's going to them will child benefit so then you probably would also need toss whether. news outlets need to pay facebook a group of traffic that has fall through them to their pages google initially also refused to pay for news content and threatened to pull all services from australia then in a surprise move the internet giant struck deals with australian media firms such as

channel 9 rupert murdoch's news corp and 7 west media. australian social media users will be hoping that facebook has a similar change of heart. or let's take a look now at some of the other stories around the world of protests and strikes against me more's military government have paralyzed many government offices civil servants have walked off the job and thousands again defied authorities to join nationwide rallies on thursday police in the capital forcefully dispersed crowds demanding the release of elected leader aung san suu kyi she. 2 journalists in bill roos have been jailed for 2 years for violating public order cuts. and daria chill soave were arrested in november while providing live coverage of the protests in minsk against authoritarian leader alexander lukashenko more than 400 journalists have been detained in belo groups in the last 6 months the northern

german city of lens board has reacted to the rapid spread of highly contagious coronavirus variants by imposing a nighttime curfew the town near the danish border has also introduced stricter social distancing routes and says it will not follow the rest of the region in reopening schools later this month. nato secretary general hugh shelton bag says the alliance has not reached a decision on withdrawing troops from afghanistan following a 2 day summit allies agreed to consult closely before any decision on troop reductions are made there are 10000 nato forces in afghanistan the trump white house had set a deadline of may 1st for troop withdrawal that deadline is now being reviewed by the biden administration taliban forces have signaled that afghan government security could see a renewed spring offensive and more violence if nato forces do not stick to that

may 1st deadline here's germany's defense minister. is this out of the clear is and this is what the taliban has announced that with the decision not to leave the country by the 13th of april that the threat level will rise significantly rise for the international troops sent also for us and we are currently preparing it both in afghanistan and with our troops there but also here with the options we have here in germany how to react to this situation in an appropriate way. that is as it were in the midst. of the extension of the mandate that we're talking about right now in the cabinet and in the going to stock this is really a mandate that's about how we shape the next few months this is not a mandate to decide what will follow permanently on longer term after resolute support after the mission that we're currently engaged in with our nato partners are we've got some breaking news coming in nasa has just received the 1st signals

from its latest mars rover confirming that perseverance has touched down safely on the red planet celebrations at mission control as the rover sent back its 1st images some very happy scientists there a 7 month flight was followed by what scientists called 7 minutes of terror in the probe executed its delicate landing maneuver without any help from mother earth or the robot vehicle will make history by collecting samples of martian soil returned to earth we're back to help scientists better determine if life once existed on the red planet. are back here on earth severe winter weather gripping the united states that has left more than 30 people dead millions of texans have endured another day without heating and electricity freezing temperatures have also burst pipes leaving around 7000000 people without clean drinking water.

too cold and some brave to lone icy drives to get their loved ones to a warm shelter to spend at chez shop in houston has a generator to keep the lights on the owner is letting families stay overnight. the 1st thing. in the trailer there's no installation anything like that is called over there we we can't we can't afford to have them freezing and not being able to feed freedom. he's grow for propane canisters to power gas stoves grills to cook because millions of homes still have no electricity. the unexpected cold snap crippled the power grid. to the every source of power that the state of texas has has been compromised whether it be renewable

power such as wind or solar but also as i mentioned today. access to coal generated power access to gas generator power. at systems for hours and equipment failed energy companies used to rolling blackouts to conserve electricity. water pipes best in the blistering cold texas officials warned residents to boil tap or to the for drinking it claiming damage to water infrastructure. with low temperatures expected for a few more days many texans have no choice but to struggle own. or let's go now to our correspondent oversell and he's in washington monitoring what's going on in the u.s. all of our hundreds of thousands of people have been without heeding without water now for days how can it be that energy land texas doesn't have enough

energy for the people in the state. this brand is exactly what a lot of people in texas also can understand these days but you have to look at this story to mention of course some areas that are affected not only in texas bought all over the region here the central regions of the united states have not seen such cold weather in 100 years and i'll certainly texas and the infrastructure there has not been prepared for that cold weather you know that's that's true the spending certainly has not taken place the winter kiryas it has also turned into a political discussion takes is governor saying that renewables are failing here is that the truth well this is a really politicized debate as you mentioned so there's a fight between republicans and democrats over how to address climate change of course so this is where this statement really comes from the electric reliability council of texas and they manage the power of with they are they said that

renewables are not to blame and of course there were some wind turbines that went frozen and they contributed to the problem but of course the biggest problem is freezing gas lines and gas consumption that spiked up in recent days and that is exactly resulting to a situation of there's not enough fuel left to run those gas turbines and as we know the president biden he's put climate policy high on his agenda. how does he position himself with this situation in texas. well he's trying to stay out of the political debate 1st of all but he issued a state of emergency offering help of course generators and supplies but his position is really clear i mean he we entered the paris climate agreement one of the 1st things he did as u.s. president and climate is on top of his agenda so he wants so transform the united states' intern leader in renewable energies ironically experts say that the weather

and the cold way if there is a result of climate change and therefore renewable energies are rather the solution and not the problem over salad in washington oliver thank you you're watching the w. news team ferguson is up next with the 2 of you business news stick around she will be right back. to tell whose use crime fighters are back with africa's most successful radio drama series continues only this odes are available online and of course you can share and discuss on t.w. africa's facebook page and other social media platforms for crime fighter to me.