tv Frag den Lesch Deutsche Welle February 19, 2021 12:45pm-1:00pm CET
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sacrifice at home is this the beginning of the show we have a statement saying that the us will turn to europe with new ideas about forging a common line on china is that what you're referring to that i think that that's part of it i mean big question is market access can we deep in the democratic space and at the same time harden the requirements to enter the democratic space with products with services with infrastructure with procurement with ip with data are these things that we want to say to china you know if you want to provide social media services 5 g. equipment all these kind of things you have to abide by the rules of the system which has not been the case since they entered the in 2000 suggest so one headline this week you you coast between the fronts between the fronts of china and the u.s. is that how you might see it. a yes i think that is you could describe it like that because i think. there's you know washington there's the u.s. in one hand and this will see europe and within europe there are many different
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countries that have different takes on the china strategy for example germany is in comparison to the u.s. is more i would say any and more open to what's china because germany sees a lot of business interest in china and it has a very. strong trading relationship and i think germany's always called for example merkel she's always caught in between. protecting business interests this is the human interest and human rights and democratic values and i think that europe is deciding how much their way. will we prioritize business trade economic development with china or will we take a step back and look at the human rights situation in china. turns and you're nodding. to the bottom line is the path to a united or any kind of coherent european china strategy or policy goes right
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through berlin berlin is going to be determinant as it was in the case of the comprehensive investment agreement and it has to strike that balance between its economic interests which are growing with china and dependencies and the human rights values questions. we haven't talked yet about taiwan beijing of course views taiwan as an indivisible parts of its territory taiwan for its part wants greater independence it's going to be interesting to see who wins out let's have a look. taiwanese president sign land visits one of the country's largest military bases according to this bold statement taiwan is prepared for a possible attack by the chinese. after all chinese fighter jets continue to invade taiwan's airspace the coast guard operating near this group of taiwanese islands also feels this growing tension ships are dumping sand presumably for construction
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projects in mainland china and nerves are running high budget out the window on the residents are scared because they don't know why so many ships from mainland china are showing up here all of a sudden so of course they're worried. experts call this gray zone tactics or provocations without open combat that are still threatening. the u.s. under former president donald trump has clearly opposed to china in this ongoing conflict the same is true of the ever escalating dispute over the other island groups on the strategically important trade route between asia and the rest of the world. in an emergency will the u.s. risk reward for the sovereignty of taiwan and other asian countries. the big questions being asked about taiwan we touched on it already some are suggesting that we may be sleepwalking into a major conflict. yes i think it is very realistic as we
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can see what happened in hong kong the last 23 years nobody expected i mean of course hong kong was already in a much bigger influence under the communist regime in beijing as taiwan is at the moment but nobody expected that really destroy hong kong's democracy in such a fast way. to the way the chinese government did and. sort of also a failure of the west that they didn't pay enough attention and that they didn't take enough hard stands on beijing dealing with hong kong so and i'm really worried that this will happen again on taiwan because of course the way china beijing you can say occupied. hong kong and got it under its control.
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and that this could happen to taiwan i think it's really really possible and. for as for the u.s. taiwan has all the strategic very important strategic role so i think there will be a conflict and i'm sort of worried hole this will you know what do you say sir jeremy in taiwan wants independence we know that much china says independence means war the u.s. says its support for taiwan is rock solid it's a scary scenario. yes i think for example there are china may in the future we will see there are some negotiation. for example. but i definitely feel strongly that taiwan is a non-negotiable for china for security reasons number one taiwan is very close and directly it's an island just in front of china and i think
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china will fight to maintain authority over taiwan and cause you know i can understand it from is a stretch a cheap perspective if taiwan gains more autonomy and gain stronger relations with the u.s. as opposed to beijing you know the u.s. it's already also present in many parts of asia pacific you know the philippines south korea and go on and having more u.s. influence and presence in literally opposite china if you will and i think china will not let this one guard or his interest in with your euro strollin background former australian prime minister kevin rudd has come out and said there xi jinping wants to emulate chairman mao by capturing so i was again really strong stuff. yes that is a very strong comparison to say that she's emptying is and the lady mao.
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however i do think. i put from my perspective i think in this momenta of time china's priority is primarily economic prosperity economic ambition as opposed to political ambition but of course this can change in the future i'm talking about the next few years china has very strong economic ambitions ok tyson when we talk about china we're often using it we tend to use a lot of isms i made a little less neo colonialism authoritarian revisionism techno nationalism you know is this just a reflection of the of the fact that the west of the the the west has a tendency to to misunderstand china. obviously isms or reduction ism and i would even throw one more ism in there which i would go away is actually kind of defining which is mccann to lism china is trying to create
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a kind of hub and spoke system through things like the boat road initiative through a different layering of new lock in relationships also in technology to basically create chokeholds and access and control issues that gives it a lot more political leverage geo politically but the truth is is that china is a very complex country with a massive history governed at multi lower layers there is a huge centralizing effort right now we see this in the crackdown for example on chinese big tech you know the cheating thing is really trying to consolidate power in the c.c.p. and behind him personally but it's complicated and that's why one of the reasons we need more china expertise in the west in like minded states because we need to know what the country is doing where the dynamics are going so we do. miscalculate and lead to some kind of instability or escalation that could occur from the american perspective do you think joe biden really begin to believe that he can win against
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china in the next 10 years that's what he set out as his goal effectively it's hard to define what we mean by winning i mean obviously the optimum scenario is that china new nests and the us both exist in a liberal international order that is rules based and frankly develop classical balance of power. a classic you know polar moment that is you know based in the 2 shows that would beat that would be ideal but we're not headed in that direction the big shift from the trump years so the biden years i think and this is their aspiration is to you know basically latch up with like minded states and see if they can create that kind of situation of strength to push china to kind of stand back from some of the aggression aggressive action that it's been playing both militarily and economically. yeah i mean if. the rivalry gets too big and. strong. will be
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a situation for everyone and for the whole world. but on the other hand of course there are certain points where it it doesn't make sense to criticize china maybe a lot of things and and hopefully. become somebody gets into a more rational way the criticizing i don't like. but. will. find. a strategy but i'm still ok if you were talking about relations between china and united states 10 stuff.
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