backus on in description index because of the lower judicial system in pakistan and i believe they're concerned you know that you've just this is all sort of revenue departments and the police department did need to get together and all this new book out that why. people have you know i'm the kind of they don't have fear from these systems so i believe the response international board is very right on the other hand i would like to point out there are after a very long time and there is nor corruption scandal at the ball put out of the government did is. through 5 months of this government not just single scandal for the minister this is very i would say. in pakistan because. the country is under used to be a governmental body and pm and then they're into and hard for him and i certainly all the minister would have been good with the money mr minister i'd like to move on beyond your anti-corruption campaign there's allegations of human rights abuses

that have been mounting there's been recent demonstrations from family members demanding answers for people forcibly have disappeared a term used for state back abductions is there a parallel justice system in your country where security forces decide who is going to be taken. well frankly progress on has been into a situation for example united research of america because this whole guantanamo bit there was a huge debate that this happened likewise in spain the detention period actually gone up to sammy knew. there were drastic lawyers decon by the by the by the european countries by the america when the menace of terrorism if you crossed all limits and that happened in pakistan as a but not know not a melissy back in pakistan you will appreciate the biggest number of missing persons was in previous. from 2 dozen 13 to 18 but didn't do one hard for years of

growth of prime minister montgomery the number has actually declined video visibly declined and i believe that in next 6 months you will see the number of missing persons will be 0 mr minister ok so you say the number of missing people will be 0 tell me because your government and this has been reported has finally decided to expedite a mek mechanism to resolve the issue but you didn't do this on prompt it if you. i understand that the islamic high court ruled last month that the prime minister and his cabinet could be held responsible for these forced disappearances so why should anyone trust that action will be swift and concrete and that these families indeed will get answers. we're wards are we already bringing the law through with missing persons and the people in ward in the missing persons can actually be prosecuted so we are taking all the actions paul said look. i think of the

situation has improved a lot. number of missing persons as i said before has declined to a very significant this is a pretty significant change you can anyone can actually tell you i believe that the next few months you will see. mr minister i just like to to driver one's attention to something that you have said on the matter publicly in fact you issued a tweet this was in february where you wrote the following these mothers can protest in punjab and yet no one will shoot them after looking at their id cards but what can we do about the sorrow of those mothers whose sons are shot in baluchistan just because they are punjabi just speak about the atrocities everywhere and say you know that the color of punjab blood is red to this tweet was sharply rebuked as rubbing salt in the wounds of these individuals is this how you deal with the grievances and the questions from the citizens of your country. not thought this is just so. sweet throw depiction of

the situation this is what i'm saying i'm i'm i'm i'm not denying that this is not my great perfect love about it is that punjabi. be youngsters believe in a young boys have been killed in baluchistan by the terrorists sported by by a beer laid back by india unfortunately the punjab the mothers. you know sons in baluchistan but this is the fact of the matter unfortunately india has created the situation in baluchistan the young jobbies have been killed mostly the city and unfortunately the walls of these mothers are still i mean how can you hold on to describe the. describe the situational mother was going to go in that situation where his son was actually asked to come out of the bus train like you are going to face by your b.s. you can carry you appear to be the flouting the blame so i just like to ask you un

rights groups they have been calling for action in one particular case and i'd like to draw us to it that is the trade case of human rights defender formally of amnesty international he was reportedly forcibly disappeared and 2019 arrested by security forces under the official secrets act the un says he was held incommunicado for 7 months so more than half a year he continues to be deprived of his most basic rights what does that say about the rule of law in your country and wouldn't this be a good opportunity to start with transparency and answer the un's call for an investigation. no 100 percent prime minister is very clear on that if there is any case i don't have more details of the documents and frankly i have no idea i don't know board anything about this case but in all cases prime minister has really kept a good he can do so that should be nor. is without a proper legal course adopted in progress on his. just on the us

there is a situation unfortunately the list is going on back to india. that situation is obviously what is some but actually we are dealing with it mr minister let's talk about freedom of the process media censorship has reportedly been on the rise of journalists who claim the military or the governments in a negative light have faced threats human rights watts describes what it calls a climate of fear you were once a journalist former minister of information you think it's acceptable to intimidate the press law does not acceptable in pakistan i believe media is probably one of the most free media the world going to merge and we have been focused on this law. the fact that blogs on the media is very very powerful. actually many people believe there should be a strong defamation laws which are not here unfortunately but by those on the media

. i see no problem if you say in summary expression if you say it's free of them then please explain to me why respected programs including the b.b.c.'s are 2 language bullets and have pulled out of the country after what has been described a constant interference by channels under pressure from the authorities why journalists have been charges have been brought against them others describe campaigns of online hate to intimidate them reporters without borders has condemned the campaigns they've asked the government to do something about it so where's the action. let it all known here there's something the politicians face the most i feel is the most because you know when i was. there the every day i feel for the was. almost the 2nd day on something and i get a turret so most of the dinner mr minister the bottom line is not going to learn until it's online hate it's more than just online hate i mean the european commission in its assessment and assessment of pakistan says that the increasing

pressure by security forces with the tacit approval of the government on those with dissenting views including the media this is what they're reporting about the situation that it comes from you ok so 1st is that i would like to explain the only one here do something that every segment of the society feels and politicians are actually the most well known but now coming to the other . that you said can you please name any journalists who have been actually intimidated by the state and by the agencies is there any source of some issue that you can relate absolutely engine of 2019 t.v. screen suddenly went black during geo news interview with the former president because cable t.v. operators disconnected transmission at the military high command perhaps that's according to reporters without borders voice of america has also reported periodic blackouts for example. we don't i don't think there's any black coat involved is

not in bones on the. we have about 150 tenants the number of journalists as they can thousands so i don't see any incident you have been not been able to name one person who has actually been intimidated by the state agencies if there is a personal case of someone like concepts and then mr minister i would say. perhaps you will believe. a justice in the supreme court who recently said in a hearing that the media in the country is not free and of the country is being destroyed in a systemic manner perhaps you will believe that statement and perhaps you can also explain to me why your prime minister has separately cried foul and said that politicians are being targeted with libelous reporting do you expect people to believe that you are really the victims here and frankly of their drugs would have lost the who hold many believe the judiciary is free and how many people many

judges have been appointed don't matter i would believe the answer would have been seem so it's actually did you should not make such a political statement because it then come back to haunt them and it was very unprofessional of a judge to make such statements and everyone know why he's doing that and what is his background as a gears against him. obviously he has very few years there why government and others are just re-elected and of mr minister another justice on the court or great wealth and justice back here chimed in when he made that statement he said that judges should ideally avoid such comments but what can be done when the country itself is not in an ideal situation how how long can judges remain silent he said but what is what is your idea sure there's make political statements. that's that's not for me to decide is there. ok thank you very much but this is what i'll buy you

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