a republican president and not just any republican president could be donald trump i compare with that if. anything's possible i guess but. there's also been. trust on the side in the iranians i would like to say i mean the europeans who separate at this this deal in 2015 they really thought that once the deal is in place one can take all these other issues regional security issues but iran had none of this they were expanding in the region. bludgeoned by the nuclear deal but doing anything else that was in their own interest regional allies and so the europeans are disappointed with the iranians vice versa the iranians would have hoped that the europeans had much more of a backbone when it came to us sanctions so we didn't mention trust because it's not there i would simply say and that's why the it's also important to to sell that the deal as much as it's there to build from that basis again ironically i disagree here i don't think it's a lack of trust i think the trust is being overestimated in this whole game and for

the for the following reason if you look at the iranian diplomatic and governmental establishment for most of course foreign minister. you see the way that he commands diplomacy a mix of being sometimes a bit bullish sometimes being rather like playing the suggesting card so they come out and like all colors of diplomacy that they can have very old fashioned style but they always think that the west nor was our true intentions which is why would we use a nuclear weapon against on nevus we're just doing this to defend ourselves because we are being attacked they know that much of what we say is to create bug and ships and rhetoric and they underestimate the true fear and the way the misreading of the supposedly true intentions of iran on the western side the iranians very well and this is quite interesting because because many of the iranian leaders have studied in the west they know western society very well but they and underestimate to what

extent the regional neighbors the israelis even some europeans and americans are truly afraid of the iranian intentions and that this incident is not going to let anybody underestimate the level of fear that is felt in israel. and you may not know whose mantra of course we have we have we have people in the israeli security establishment who know very well what will boil asking for a swift return to the nuclear deal and they were they have been advocates of the deal before. the climate between washington and jerusalem or tel aviv is at the moment not the best because the us government very well remembers the very disloyal demeanor often human ness and now in the last years of the last days of the obama administration so they're not on very good terms at the moment but at the same time they have their pragmatic and reasonable and they know that israel on the one hand could benefit from a nuclear deal but of course it wouldn't solve any of the regional issues that israel is involved in and exposed to there well iran certainly seems to be facing

uncertainty but one thing is for sure the sanctions and the covert crisis also give the having a devastating impact on the people of iraq. ever since the u.s. placed sanctions on iran its economy has shrunk at least 5 percent every year production the country's most important source of revenue has almost completely stalled as has its banking sector many european companies have also been pulling back for fear of reprisals from the us the result prices have been skyrocketing and iran's inflation rate is currently around 30 percent of those suffering most are the iranian people many hope it was sumption of negotiations with the west while hope bring improvements. that have people have been living under severe economic pressure and if they want to cut off cooperation that pressure will of course intensify the problems have become so huge the people can't even live

a normal life i have heard but the government 1st wants to get rid of the sanctions . the problem is us is addicted to such as us is addicted to pressure us is addicted to booty. our sanctions the best bargaining chip. the us is addicted to bully. it's hard to argue with that but that's certainly how it comes across and it has for 4 years very loudly to the point where there been actions taken you know the assassination of a saloon money and you know these sorts of things do not play well in iran and i think again it plays into the hands of the more hardline factions which are still used very experiences very extreme language but it's a language that is used to speak to the people on the ground. whose lives no a normal life is no longer possible that's what we heard in that report is not your

view of the situation is that how dire it has become well certainly i still have some relatives who live there and it's definitely is very difficult made more difficult by the fact that people weren't able to travel for those who could travel you know for a long time so and with coded and everything it's but the iranians have also i think this is something that's been going on for them in terms of not being able to to function normally you know having to deal with sanctions not having things available to them that's been going on for more than a generation at this point because sanctions are nothing new and it's again i feel that it is something that has made the regime last as long as it did its never really had to answer for the problems that exist the very real problems that exist for you are in iran for people whether it's unemployment you know inflation just you know growing poverty growing education at the same time she's always very interesting that it's one of the most educated populations that you'll find a certainly the middle east or you know anywhere but but it's something that needs

to be addressed and it would do the u.s. . administration well i think to try and present a little bit of a different image but it's a problem for joe biden at home because that is how the majority of americans and including in the democratic party think they should be dealing with clinton is what can you tell us about the lives of ordinary people calls in the middle of this conflict well it's been as dire as as the clip has just shown. and it is also something where the iranian population for better or for worse has gotten used to that and then it is coming on top but it's nothing that they should be exposed to if only because for a long time at least iran was complying with the nuclear deal the pull out of the united states out of the nuclear deal the reimposition of sanctions was not justified by any policy moves if you like except for you know a change of heart on the side of the u.s. government where the kind of government obviously but the problem with sanctions is

that they tend to be overestimated and what they can achieve if you look at the evidence of decades of economic sanctions they rarely work they are used as a policy instrument to placate voters to use to so show strength to you know try to follow a narrative of you know putting someone down to their knees but when has this happened ironically the day c.p.a. with this concerted push is maybe the one exception where people realized ok it can work if we combine it with diplomacy and that's what was missing over the past 4 years of the previous administration any serious attempt to engage iran or the activities of iran at the diplomatic level so i'd be cautious as to what the prospects of even more pressure could achieve tonio you know you get to. sanctions are probably not directed against against iran but but but are tool to discipline everybody else. of course they have some sort of impact on iran but of course they

have a strong impact on the region and they have a strong and i'd also on the relationship between america and europe. i think you're right on and yes it's sanctions are being overestimated but but lifting sanctions is also being overestimated in terms of an economic benefit the iranian regime has or the iranian government for that matter has been has been promising of course to the iranian population that the nuclear deal is going to bring foreign investment it's going to bring in. bring a prosperous economic development that was in the case for a number of reasons not only because iran cannot be here a new economy cannot just be healed by a by a by foreign investment but also by the fact that the companies that could invest in iran could normalize the relationship with iran a still scared to death because they think even if they don't violate any any law they might be at a later stage sanctioned by or affected by secondary sanctions by the united states because they depend they the us control the financial sector next and so i think

even if we return to a nuclear deal we shouldn't create false expectations of iran the reigning economy is not going to prosper because of that because if you are a middle sized entrepreneur in europe and you know that maybe in 4 years trump peo much more hardline than trump much more uncompromising in terms of iran might return to power. you think twice before you or you launch a major investment in iran and so therefore the reigning government should should not promise the iranian population that this is all about the economy they the nuclear deal is a matter of international security but the kind of an economic prosperity doesn't depend on this although some are with your potion iranian roots can you put you could you at the end of the show here we don't have much time can you give us a positive take on the future for iran and iranians in the medium term.

well i think of the dialogue is for the type of language that's been used on the iranian part of the american part will change i think it will be softer and i think that's going to present some hope i agree that lifting the sanctions is not going to be more a miracle cure but it's also something that's going to hold the regime feet to the fire they're going to have to answer for why aren't things getting better after they promised it and that's that's a tool that works 6 for the united states as well so i think. things are somewhat positive but i'm not optimistic that the deal will be struck at the very last what is going to be a nuclear deal in the in the coming months well the deal is still there we just have 34 months to try to agree that we still want to be alive i'm fairly optimistic that we could all get there thanks very much indeed a great debate over here on to the point that you've enjoyed as much as i have to come back next time around until one bye bye and ships. which. was.

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