basically the restraints were removed and they were told to get results the thing that became so clear is that what the united states was doing was not a secret it was hidden in plain sight it wasn't really until the photographs from abu ghraib were released which were just you know the tip of the iceberg of what was actually happening that people in this country began actually talking about it. but we didn't know it was exactly the right thing to do if i had to my command all of you have and i think saturday night see course of action. that we did exactly the right.

service in the most not all of them i can look into whether one of those 1600 of them we've only seen off in about 20 maybe 30 is 1600 and they say the worst ones are are the ones with him saying

so and yes they were violating the military regulations of what they were doing but . they were operating within a system in which they were conditioned they were structured in order to violate those laws. when you arrived at the grave where you where or what had happened there. almost immediately after we arrived we were briefed that there was misconduct but we weren't given details and the interrogators that i knew who had been there during that time didn't they didn't talk about it so we we didn't know if i learned everything through the news. we understood the geneva conventions to mean that absolutely you know you knew you couldn't you couldn't harm anybody in your care that your primary

responsibility was their well being rather than putting you in distress but then we were confused and then of you know of course we got these memos from the justice department and from the pentagon. authorizing the use of much more harsh techniques . we started docking those techniques when i was stationed in mosul among them were stress positions sleep deprivation. inducing hypothermia. to stay and in any way we could put them in in distress using dogs this is this is a so-called slippery slope so that they hate the gloves off policy allowed american interrogators from going from a certain list of techniques that were let's say allowed and even those were already torture to doing extreme things rape and sodomy you know

the most extreme forms of physical and psychological patel easy. you can just torture somebody on a whim without knowing how to do it and the reality of course is that torture like any physical skill right requires training requires practice it requires an institutional setting a built environment really you need to have this institutionalize bates physical space in which you can perform torture we want you know we we wanted to be successful i was against the war i've been on the liberal i didn't vote for george bush. but i wanted to do my job well you know i felt like you know if i could

be successful and get intelligence from people then you could end the war quickly and it would be better for iraq better for for us from the people sure. the reason this is going to focus has. betrayed our values and some of the reputation of our country. with 6 or 7 investigations underway. justice system that's felt. we know that. wherever they go got to justice. i was angry at our leadership because i knew that they were prosecuting interrogators and guards and leadership wasn't being held accountable i.

was disappointed in myself and. a review over there was terrible so that i was right i was very angry when the abu ghraib trial happened. i got a call from the lawyer for chip frederick. and he asked me to act as part of the defense team i said well the person that you should really talk to is this imparato he ran this experiment in the 1970 s. and the situations of abu ghraib as far as i can tell are those conditions that are also reproduced in the. zimbardo experiments chip frederick he's. the man here he was the one who had the idea of putting electrodes on the hood his lawyer said the problem now is the military want to use him in

a show trial in baghdad. in abu ghraib not only not a single scene office that went to trial not a single scene officer got the call letter of reprimand in fact in some cases they even got promoted in the office so it's it's the people at the top always take care of the people at the time. we're still evaluating how we are going to approach the whole issue of interrogations detentions and so forth and don't believe that anybody has but the law on the other hand i also have a belief that we need to look forward as los as opposed to looking looking backwards. will look forward to look backward go forward is going to be like backward if you

don't do something about what happened in the past nobody has been held accountable for the torture that happened in the past and for this among other people i fault president obama essentially he gave everybody dick cheney donald rumsfeld he gave them all a free pass. to it's w. bush they're all going to be rehabilitated they're all going to be treated as great statesman one day i mean they gave president obama a nobel prize for not being george w. bush. the question of course the world that benson around. you know boarding is doesn't work as torture work doesn't work people that have information that are a part of an underground apparatus a terrorist organization a revolution urbanisation accomplish certain ization whatever organized florent of selective elements you might be they won't. know. and the

people that you pick up that are innocence yes you'll. the tear them to pieces you store them you'll ruin them. i think that a few of the people that passed passed through my hands and interrogated did have intelligence but most of the vast majority of the people that i dealt with were just being picked up because they were males of military age and they were just get swept up and in these raids i don't think torture is always being used as a method to gain information or or confessions it's often just being used out of it out of anger and fear. here in the united states we have this picture of torture as something that is done by the lonely person the lonely the man who does it more in sorrow than in anger because he is absolutely

forced to because so many lives depend on it is willing to take the moral stain and the moral pain on him and in order to save all these people there was always this anxiety in american politics which is that democracy kinds of makes makes us weaker and less capable of taking the real things that real men should be able to do there's a very gendered masculinist sort of notion behind this real bad torture. and democracy makes us sissies. in the middle east we have people shopping their heads off christians we have things that we have never seen before i would bring back waterboarding and i bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding. one of the things that we need to consider now and has become quite an issue is how

many of these soldiers who used to participate in these kinds of american techniques are not policemen and immigration officers who manage mexicans and hispanics and other sorts of things in interrogations today there's already beginning to be evidence that these old techniques including freezing rooms. sleep deprivation all these things are now being used on on on immigrants and children so this is one of the terrible things about techniques is that they circulate between war and home and whatever you do in war comes home ready ready. if we keep torture clean 'd then we can feel that the thing that's being done to

protect us isn't really so bad we have become used to the idea that it is a legitimate moral stance that we do anything we need to in order to feel safe to feel secure and in a bizarre way it's as if the government is trying to make a deal with us you let us do whatever we want over here on the dark side and in return i promise you will never die it's like this fake promise of immortality 'd. but of course what ready ready. and history the american empires were. and 50 years from now historians might have to say as french historians have said about france in algeria that but something was lost in the us sim brought supporter of moral authority that made america world leader sucker funds for this the shimmer of effect of interrogation.

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this is g.w. news live from berlin u.s. lawmakers narrowly pass a $1.00 trillion dollars pandemic a package relief in sight for struggling sectors of american society now that must pass the senate and president joe biden says there is no time to waste. armenia's and bottled prime minister on the defensive if the president of the military and the people turn their back on him over the humiliating war with a cause for pleasure. and then full rights at stake they're claiming to the points

of a good title edging mention of god in a 5 gold star will bring you those. unpopular folini yes welcome to the program u.s. lawmakers have narrowly passed a $1.00 trillion dollars pond demick aid package the bill promises one time cash payments to individuals and help for struggling sectors of american society the plan must clear a higher hurdle in the senate before it becomes law president joe biden wants to push through with delay. for the administration after the u.s. house passed the huge pandemic game package but president biden made clear the senate now has to act fast to make it law on folks we have no time to waste if we act now decisively quickly and boldly we can finally get ahead of this virus we can

finally get our economy moving again and the people of this country have suffered far too much for too long. in a session that lasted until 2 am house republicans voted unanimously against the aid package all democrats but 2 voted in favor speaker nancy pelosi stressed the bill has overwhelming popular support. over 75 percent of american support this package and want it passed and that to including 50 percent of republicans in the country the bill includes one time cash payments of $1400.02 i don't send children as well as billions of dollars for the distribution of coronavirus vaccines and for struggling families and businesses and the unemployed republicans accuse democrats of using the bill to fulfill a progressive wish list with this the 2nd largest stimulus package in u.s.

history almost every one of this bill $592.00 pages includes a liberal pipe dream that predates the pandemic with strong republican opposition even to this popular bill joe biden's goal of reuniting the country seems far out of reach. let's take a look at some of the other stories making news this hour u.s. regulators have cleared a code 900 vaccine developed by the drug maker johnson and johnson its 3rd in occupation to be given the go ahead in the united states and the only one that requires just a single shot the company expects to supply 20000000 doses by next month. in nigeria more than 40 students and teachers who were abducted a fortnight ago have been freed they were kidnapped by gunmen from a school in the oldest north a day earlier more than 300 girls were abducted point from another school in the

region their fate is still unknown. another day of protests in armenia prime minister. is refusing to resign despite the army demanding he step down he in turn accuses the military of an attempted coup news of xander penco has been following the protests. protests that show no sign of winding down. several thousands of position protesters took to the streets of armenia's capital you're a fan to call for the resignation of prime minister nicola passim hands down not only unhappy about his handling of last year's war with as a by jan doubt also peter that he tried to dismiss the head of the army. our army is doing the right thing now by not supporting him because he's prime minister has failed in every way he's not even human he's a traitor. we need an armenian without

a traitor in the cold past the man we want to build a new army now we safe borders in a future. me. after that i come here every day because the war is not over for me after the war the struggle against the internal enemy has begun here and we will win i have no doubt. president armand sarkeesian whose role is merely we presented sieve sided with the protesters as he refused to sign a prime ministerial order to dismiss the army's chief of staff. then chances are remain high after the prime minister rejected calls by armenian military officers to resign and then accuse the military of an attempted coup this is the 1st time in 30 years that their army here has gotten involved in the political crisis and many are wondering what's next. russia's opposition has paid tribute to kremlin critic

bars themselves on the 6th anniversary of his assassination in 2017 a court found the alleged murder for accomplices guilty but members of family insist the real masterminds have never been prone to justice. in passing you could easily overlook them but they've been here keeping watch day and night for the past 6 years. were guarding the flowers we organize ourselves or navies as long as they've got the strength no one thought it would go on for as long. they're here for him guarding his makeshift memorial that's regularly cleared by the police and destroyed by right wing fugs. boris nemtsov was once russia's best known opposition politician 6 years ago today he was shot dead on the bridge across from the kremlin while the gunmen are in jail the investigation never uncovered who ordered the killing. early in the morning foreign ambassadors among

them germany's the 1st to pay their respects to a man refused even a commemorative placard by his own state there followed by a steady stream of muscovites thousands and all the authorities bad memorial march but laying flowers is allowed well many here fear rep recut sions many more putting those fears aside. he's not scared either we can't be scared our future is on the line and we have to fight for it. i guess i support my daughter but i can't say that fear doesn't play a part. it's still ingrained in people of my generation unfortunately but we have faith in the young generation. that we have to overcome fear the history of all states shows that modern societies only work without fear. never old friend bloody america who survived 2 assassination attempts themself also turned out to pay his

respects. you can kill a person but not memories of his leadership would like us to forget boris but the people don't forget. died within sight of the kremlin many are angry that their government still hasn't found out who put out the hit that's why they've been here for 6 years and say they'll stay until those behind themselves killing are brought to justice. let's take a look now at some other news this hour spanish police have come under attack during protests against the jailing of a popular rapper looting broke out in barcelona as police confronted supporters of pablo has said the singer has been jailed for glorifying terrorism some of his funds claimed the sense and suppresses free speech. army specialists have

detonated a world war 2 era bomb an exercise western england a controlled explosion followed the bombs discovery during construction work thousands of nearby homes and offices were evacuated in the operation. number $960.00 s. and seventy's the french government to took away nearly 2000 children from the island of around young one of france's overseas territories the plan was to repopulate rural areas of maine and fronts the children were promised education and opportunity instead of many in georgia years of mistreatment narron noons stolen children want the french government to pay damages for their suffering even at the age of $75.00 in need to know all still bears the deep scars left by his youth the government took him away from his family at the age of 9 as part of a resettlement program he was 1st sent to various children's homes on the island of

green young. or not good will go where you are you know you for the feel good and we weren't allowed to say or do anything we had to follow the supervisor orders if we didn't make it to us they made us do the hard labor at one point only had to carry but little cement on our own heads and pull them onto a slab to build a swimming pool somewhere in the walls around the homes were 4 meters high we weren't allowed to go out or to see our family or good already go were both or poor . he was told he would be taken to mainland france but it took another 9 years and instead of getting a good education there promised he had to work as a farm hand. for. arthur because we had to milk the cows clean the pig pens plant and harvest beetroot and potatoes the farmers had been told we were dangerous that we were murderous and of these they

didn't trust us and treated us like slaves so they hit us at the slightest excuse. he was finally freed at the age of 21 and ménage to set up a business as a painter he tried to forget his past as best he could up until a few years ago when he met his partner mary sue she insists that he needed to find his roots. he 75 now he has lived most of his life but i hope he still has much longer to live at least 10 or 15 years and i want him to be happy during that time when bill she searched for months sent hundreds of emails and managed to get one spectacular result she found in mills oldest sister mary who lives only in you know they talk to each other daily. are all. i was always hoping to find him and never gave up my search now he's too far away

from me i want him to come back here. my sorrow. and 2014 france officially acknowledged its moral responsibility towards the so-called children of the cuz the ministry of the overseas told us that they plan to teach these children's history at school but in real is hoping for more. we do more good almost more we are asking for damages that's perfectly reasonable they have done us harm if i had robbed someone i would also be punished even though money will not right the wrong they have done to us it's like losing a leg you never get it back. but previous claims for compensation were dismissed due to the statute of limitations in meal we'll keep looking for his happiness he's planning to go to the new all this autumn to finally reunite with his family.

bundesliga football now and i've said made history in a thrilling match against bloodbath not only did they keep their title hopes alive by scoring 3 2nd half goals it was the very 1st time that they have ever won in the top league after being 2 goals down. 2 of the best coaches in the business came to grips in leipsic you leonardo's men's home side on a 4 game winning streak founded on a physical defense but a little too much muscle from dial up to mccown i meant that marco rose's man would open the scoring from the spot we're going to storm on after just 6 minutes it was a bad start and things would get worse for leipsic just 13 minutes later because to run was waiting on mark at the back post in the 19th minute the deflection would make it a 2 nearly for gladbach at half time. in the 2nd stanza the hunt side started to look more menacing in attack and when christopher and cuckoo finally that you had so much in the 57th minute i'm side began to look like an irresistible force 10

minutes later a use of polson struck from long range i the dying had leveled the schools and set the stage for an all out siege on plot box go in the final 25 minutes. at meal force but when close from a free kick. the tension of a brilliant contest building to a christian though in the 90th minute when no bleedin alexander so unlucky stayed to keep beside the last minute when. the conversation continued after the final whistle about whether he had used these hands as well. leipsic needing no would slide rule back into title contention. well after last weekend's defeat reigning bundesliga champions byron munich got back on track with a win over relegation threatened cologne the hosts hit the back of the net 5 times

in a commanding performance built around midfielder gorecki he's had a 1st half goals the 2nd of which soane skilfully combined with leaked top score robert having doubts $51.00 was the final score at the audience arena. in washington the news live from berlin we'll be back again very soon take care. of. literature invites us to see people in particular and i like to see as the kids find strength growing up. my. books on you tube. can you hear me now yes yes we can hear you and how lousy is judgments how it's now remembering i'm going to back off and you've never come.