thing to make leon this is the country of muslims christians and all religious minorities and therefore i think it's more than that. the majority muslim population and in iraq has looked on and seen terrible things happening to the minority christian population shocking shocking things i don't need to quote over figures we're all familiar with the figures. was why is that a sense that the muslim population is open to the message to the pope is bringing with him. i think the question could be are they open each other from both side for each of the other for the messages this is the most important question i think it's make no sense just to send a message to the us and as a just receiving i think it is open communication get and take and i think the pope is going to meet. this tiny in the knowledge of this is this is this is

some much hinges on this means exactly that exactly this is a i call it a turning point of the discussion between islamic and christian war because he's going to meet a different color of the spiritual figure i think when we saw in the or in your report that he met many many islamic figures in egypt and in morocco or in emirates and it's was it was a big action and that is a protocol and it is a luxury a meeting is going to meet a a man the knowledge man in a small small house with a small small way that is understand you know what you're talking about you have been to this. day ayatollah rents as far as i understand in not just very very modest very unpretentious for absolutely and he's very simple man and he's not he don't want to me to the politician because he he believes that the state could be

knowledge with the politicians this is their job the my job is a spiritual way to send a spiritual message is. for the people that's why our durley man or person not as a journalist or a politician i can visit him but if i would be a prime minister i think i would not have the trials but to meet the pope himself together with me. would give the discussion another another spirit let me give you an a small the course. of that is that mixtape got control of our. society called many iraqis most of them sunni and shia muslims to fight against the state. to save the holy places in mosul but there is no holy places for shia or 40 so needs most of them is 40. and they liberate that. i witness i've

been embedded with the iraqi army and i witness many muslims taking the. cries of the church and bringing back who the yazidi areas from culture for example that was the most. they follow the call of the losses to me and he'd say this is you are a part of me of us and we are part of fuel i think the this is the base is what the discussion is going to be between the pope and i to losses tony and it is very important for us for know what and of course we need solutions by the way because there and we have to make have to make a big difference between islamistic terrorism and muslims of course and i think. they reconsider lation is very important in that cases and the place where the pope would speak in. very important one because not far from that was the most for

example where daddy called out the caliphate so we all know how. important this picture has been used in a bad way so therefore we need new pictures from this region and of course. also the iraqi population and the political leaders have to make. they are willing to do i know it. how how i described the ayatollah that's very resembling like the character of the pope himself is like. a simple man but just like a man down that's maybe like he's also not like a theologian let's say like ratzinger was like he's just more like a parish priest like taking care of the people like his flock and so i feel that seems to be like if they meet on these on this level and not on a super intellectual level which could also be very intriguing in a way it seems like those 2 have a similar personality and that that makes hope for

a good outcome of this conversation. because i mention of the top of the show the catholic church in many countries around the world is in a period of transition and often very divided point in time does not have any impact on the on the pope's credibility as a spiritual leader. critical in the past i mean look i'm not. that critical on the pope as a person himself it's more like the structures within the church that have let's choose the biggest crisis since the reformation age for the catholic church this might not be playing as much as a road in the country where christianity especially catholics roman catholics. but you see like the child abuse scandal beat in new zealand or poland or mexico or canada has the same tendency hen's i believe the church has to change some of their structures in order to to survive to century and become actually in alliance with the moral teachings they spread. well i think to be honest i understand that

discussion in europe and all this critic but it has nothing in iraq as you said in iraq it is no one talk about that at all because the most important message that the pope is going to visit us we should call come him we should invest this visit to send this message to for the rest of the war that we are here we want to rebuild we want to send a positive signal so to say this is going to be a mission is a mission impossible was this it was the wording i used in software is going to be is it going to be a mission accomplished what are you hoping to see at the end of this very strenuous visit where those huge expectations i think we need new pictures because we know how how strong the pictures of enemies are because this is always the 1st step toward genocide and therefore i think we need new narratives and therefore this trip from the pope could be very

interesting and the question will be. what iraqis do in after that and also how the civil society is moving and. on the other hand of course the catholic church and the hope pope have still own problems. plague sample the image child abuse the rule of women so there are a lot of challenges of course but i think the saying that he would that not be the question in iraq when he was there that there will be also like hard liners on the catholic side to. yes there's a photo with the grandma or with the ayatollah they don't like this under the fences benedict do you want to fishel council for interreligious dialogue was made to stop division of the culture of the pop one because the hardliners took over and

said no no we don't want to have any resemblance that it seems like all religions were equal so you see like this is even in the catholic church like the dialogue is not like that everyone is like excited in the vatican about this pope's and ever i mean i have to say this is quite brave of him to pursue that and it's not just religious this trip it's also political because he want to show and make clear that christian minorities must be secure and this reasons and the fact that they are not is sad enough but the question would be how to make it possible that christian. living in the future is still possible in the sweden how it was many many years before i think he's not going to big brink. a big change in the ground there oakley. i think it is ongoing process whether it is in politician question how to secure the minorities how to rebuild the country or

but the main important point how to bring the human beings together under the base of the respect. for each site and also accept each other and also all of the. brotherhoods how to communicate with with other person with with other faiths other religion in the in the in a human way to respect the law that we made i think it feel if they can describe the visit of the poor in iraq i think we both as a holes will build the walls but his visit in iraq will bring to the root of that hopes and the finishing is a. process in such a troubled country as iraq what makes you so want to mistake that this could be the outcome because the many of the must thems community understood that the

way that the extremism that is present it is not of their faith it's not the way of the life that they wish they try it as they see it they live it themselves especially disown the minority sunni population in iraq and the interest in the end of the time this is not to the life that we want to that's why i'm quite sure that the that the majority will not accept the extremism that's why they are going to engage with this with this discussion of the acceptance ok times over thank you very very much for those final words i hope your optimism is proved it is vindicated by this weekend's event we'll be talking about the pope in iraq thanks very much for joining us now to give me plenty of food for thought see if we have come back next time around and sell and buy buy insurance.

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