there's a billions invested there's billions of money being invested which basically essentially enables the right wing in a very conservative narrative to continue and controlling us so that will eventually happen and technology it's already being deployed by for duran direction when when we talk about migrants and i want to pick up something that you set the problem of fox not the bean. taking into account anymore which is a big problem is that we are not seen the rest contribute way more than what for example europe is a spending in controlling them but since we don't care about data then that's when technology in this companies to spend much more money in making their business themselves. i'm so glad you pointed out the facial recognition technology so the world where you could travel to paris or rome and no one knew where you were that's gone the moment you're at a train station the moment you're at an airport these major hubs of transportation

and we need that in the fight against terrorism so on the one hand we understand that we need this in the fight against terrorism but we don't understand that we could be using it to have much more humane borders ok can i just move away from the debates about technology migration is also about it's about politics it's about economics it's about culture tell me a little bit about that so that's where i think you know in the united states we really see ourselves as a nation of immigrants it would be better if we also sort of selves as a nation of colonial conquest but i think we're kind of slowly getting there as the generation shifts in the nation very troubled by racism as world europeans can learn so much about you know constructive policy on racism from america. and a very. troubled by what we see and hear right so i think you know the issue with europe is europe still has this concept of itself you know these nation states these ethnicities i'm french i'm german we're white french for

a white german without understanding that the concept of europe historically was more around the mediterranean so you have people on the mediterranean now who are no longer considered european but historically and when it culture were so the issue is where do you start looking right and i think european culture right now has been stuck since the age of conquest and exploration. going. on into this web to face yes. going i just want to add more because how much you're pm and i don't i would like to hear from from from one from europe what do you think about this because i from my ranch perspective point of view when i came here 2015 and then i see all these welcoming narrative and all the narratives that you know i think i have. but he now in the united states. diplomatic super correct when you refer to my friends and yet you see. much has been. so. ok europe or most people in the tacitly at

least 2 or so who have agreed to look the other way while official agencies do the dirty work of keeping immigrants out of the continent that has led to the cruel. cries for help from refugees off the greek coast their inflatable boats constantly being attacked by massed assailants unfriended. both the european border agency from texas as well as the greek government deny that such illegal action is taking place but there is video footage to prove it. in the southern mediterranean meanwhile e.u. funded libyan militias are threatening the rescuers like see i. am all refugees and now taking the dangerous route towards the canary islands from most this is the end of the line. the situation is even worse in the balkans

in the. one time most want to move on quickly to the e.u. . is the e.u. keeping out refugees at all costs. and our people i can see you citizens are prepared to look the other way was not occur. just nor are we willing to look away while the dirty work is done for us. your your your your film was very. biased the fact is these things happen and they shouldn't happen that's and yes they do to cover it among other things they don't get the the attention they deserve right that must happen the same time what your

film didn't say is that hundreds of thousands make it to europe every year they are processed in a not orderly fashion about 90 percent of them apply for asylum and they don't get it because you know and then they go to a court and 30 percent of the decisions against them by then reversed by the court this is means that things are working in in europe and also talking about frontex basically frontex has saved inception run about 26. hundreds of thousands of people fish them out of the war to save them from from people smugglers forth against pirates and that kind of thing and. i think it's a mixed bag right but if you hear the other side of the argument. before we heard it in the film didn't we i mean the fact is we are and i just want to say one thing if you had been as long and i mean when i came to germany in the sixty's as an as

an english speaking migrant i was fitted like you know. you know and at that time no one could imagine that would we today we have something like the welcome culture i mean we've we aren't we haven't understood that we are a nation of immigrants the united states has since at least john f. kennedy so it's been you know. obviously it's going to take some time before that seeps down i mean you have to hand it to the germans with. something like 2015 would have been unimaginable only 10 years before. mess true its work came to a certain extent and yes there is how much more welcoming culture that before i set 15 when i arrived here i was impressed enough never seen anything like that from a human rights perspective if such a welcoming acted to to me to tears mainly germans or europeans welcoming asylum seekers yet the problem is that it got stuck somewhere between

20162017 we know what happened politically speaking in places like germany. but this world of fear and panic that joe talked about this was you said you understand the fear that people feel and think that you're referring to the same things or yes exactly people saw too many people flooding into this country and afraid and it created an entire opposition which was there that active but now it's very active and it's very out there so the problem with with what's happening afterwards is like in turkey 15 my so these hope when i saw these welcoming back to it but somehow it's been changing a lot over the last years and there is the spiration we still have how many people more than 30000 people are still stuck in greece with no hope so for what's going to happen with them many of them actually 4000 of them are young people in the school so whether they continue or they just left send them home it's just that we need to make a soon regarding from that i just cannot say anything good about these unfortunately

i mean i work with organizations that are right now in the in the birch to be criminalized for 20 years sentences for saving lives and only it's just it's just very powerless how it feels to really express how people are feeling out there so it's not about me and what about you anymore i mean even they're going to say shows that i was running now i can't get over to younger generations because i have hope in the same way that it's happening in the united states with young people changing and working tirelessly to tireless to change the system that it will happen here as well wouldn't be in the hands of many of us i would lead to the younger generations that they decide what was the future they want to have. you run forward as though you were. one of the big differences between the united states and europe is a neighborhood. you do not have among the hundreds of thousands going north to the united states. a percentage of terrorists we do our neighborhood is

syria with. people the guy in the in the film coming from pakistan state sponsor of terrorism right i'm not saying he's a terrorist but amongst those coming from pakistan from iraq from syria even from morocco across from libya there is a presence of terrorism they have to be screened out right and and frontex is doing a very good job with that and the reason why there is a problem with some of these activities he works in for instance is that they don't do it in a good way and that's one of the problems why there is this these illegal boats coming from from from key and landing in greece is when they get on board we don't know where they're going so it's i'm sorry but we have to deal with reality is we're not living in an island we're living in a very. dangerous neighborhood we used to think it's only israel right when they

said to our neighbor distinguished now we realized we needed it if we realized that in fact ok europe is not the old europe of the greeks around the mediterranean because half of that is occupied by you know and yet to conflate terrorism with immigration makes i'm not i mean you know the issue that we have is homegrown terrorism so to speak right so keeping people out is not going to keep us safe and that's what we have to understand i definitely agree we need to be screening people but we need to be screening people by either letting them reach our shores or going to where they are. run out of time i'm afraid it's a minute or you can write great guests here would be looking at immigration policy on either side of the atlantic joe biden's new administration their policy if we give you plenty of food for thought and i trust we have come back next time around until and by by inches.

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