go to school. we ask why. because education makes the world more just. make up your own mind. w. me for mind. the republican party absolutely has the nasty january 6th violence part of you never used to be that forgiving of loses bit they won and they played by the rules but he was right to spare a thought for the republican party in the us gone will trump lost the last presidential election but he refuses to go quietly or even with all in fact he still claims against o.b. other than the teeth one my guess this week from washington is jack kingston former republican lawmaker i'm trumpeted by as a why do so many of these parties cling to

a bad loser big lie and what kind of party is the g.o.p. becoming. jack kingston welcome to conflict zone thank you it's great to be with you who won the presidential election last november and i'm asking you because donald trump still says he won you part of this fantasy. no joe biden one of the greatest. one at the all fast through to get their people to the polls you know i do think that the court system along the way help them cope and help them and change voting rules but they want and they play by the rules that were there at the time and i did not like the outcome of it but he did win it it's one thing for you to say he didn't win and it's quite another thing for him to say it but also the large

numbers in your party a buying into this enormous lie are you happy about that. no i do think anywhere that there is fraud or you know maybe not necessarily fraud but shenanigans or irregularities i think that you want to investigate them i've been very frustrated in my political life any time i hear somebody about somebody who voted who should not have voted our poll that stayed open longer than it should have or any kind of irregularity and i think you know looking at those charges is a healthy thing and which neither party should be afraid of but at the court we threw them out the courts threw them out 6 the courts through throughout the objections didn't say i'm going to take your word on the number but that sounds probably right i will say you know given your example there is one contested congressional election in iowa right now that looks like it's going to be decided by

a handful of there was another one in new york just in the last couple of weeks people agree that the outcome was the outcome in both cases republicans won but democrats were given all they've got to challenge those results so it is not the 1st time results have been challenged at all but either party yeah but it's the 1st time they've spent a lot of time over in the candidate himself even after the courts have had their say refuses to buy into it but tell me about the party because what does it say about so many members of your party that they're buying into this. well i think our base has bought into it perhaps out of a suspicion of big big media biased reporting and so forth and they have had this kind of maybe instinctive reaction that could be unfounded it could be 100

percent emotional there were enough irregularities to give this thing some traction and then you have the precedent of people like jimmy carter and hillary clinton alcohol and donald trump an illegitimate candidate i mean for instance for crying out loud the democrat party bought into this russian hopes for 2 years and brought the american people through their drama which was a drama but they believe that so you know unfortunately that's the state of suspicion that we both have we 2 parties have towards each other these and then i think it's this is a man donald trump lost the white house he lost the senate he lost the house of representatives your party never used to be that forgiving of loses then it why is it so few senior republicans have the courage to actually say to his face you lost it's time to bring down the curtain there seem to be a lot of gutless people in senior positions in your party is that fair don't think group with a completely cinema i think there are

a lot of people who have concerns and they're reacting to those concerns and they're etan to the base but again i can't emphasize enough the democrat party hillary clinton jimmy carter himself both the night donald trump they call him an illegitimate president the democrat party insisted he won because of russian collusions 1000000 years is a long time ago jack kingston this is a long time ago you're going memes talking about the state of your party now i'm trying to to get a handle on why the party is the way these and why it's clinging to what everybody knows is a big lie in. you might not like my answer but i'm giving it to you we are still very mindful of what the democrats did to donald trump they did not accept his presidency i'd say maybe a dozen members of congress would not even go to your right and that's a densely other way i did joe biden's inauguration i did not have to go i thought

it was an important for republicans to go and accept it but that parent got the truth of the matter is that there is a lot of suspicion between the parties and bitterness mr kingston this this nonsense story about the election being stolen this is what happens when so many people in your party tried to finesse 4 years of incessant lying by donald trump isn't it you never called out his lies on the contrary or tried to claim that they were just hyperbole they weren't hyperbole were they a good number of them were flat out lies but people in your party wouldn't call them out what they say well it's a little bit like joe biden the other day saying there were no vat when he came to office even though he himself had received a colored vaccine and december he stood up on national t.v. and said there were no exact things when he came to office now that you know we have much comparison is that i mean john trump was accused of more than 30000 false

and misleading statements over the time he was in office you know i lied from day one then the line from day one in the office i think there's a lot of hyperbole if you cite for example where the best president say there ever is one you know by c.n.n. type camera they might say that's a lie but most people would say well that's political hyperbole it's not really a lie that's an opinion and that's an exaggeration but remember many let if we're going to count up the lies let's look at all the lies thrown at donald trump in the russian hoax amende you know we're in a situation right now where. adult behavior is not encouraged by politicians and it would be great for example if the other night last week of joe biden in his state of the union type speech what does acknowledge that donald trump in operation works the got a cult is that saying to the marketplace in 11 months when all his critics were

saying it was going to take 5 years he got it done in the 11 months and mr unity president joe biden refused to even acknowledge that so you know the words i mean right now you're talking about the president who said the virus was a democratic hoax and who played it down consistently and said it was just as bad a no worse than flu and anyway it was under control mr kinston the lies came home to roost on capitol hill on january the 6th didn't say when one by one trump an evacuee lights whipped up the crowd into a frenzy and told them to go fight to reverse the stolen election in other words to fight for a lie that was what they were being asked to do wasn't that fight for a big fat blatant lie isn't that shameful for the party. i think that a lot of there has been misconstrued donald trump should have been more forceful when he said go to the capitol peacefully but he did say that careful peaceful way

absolute truth which the media has trouble acknowledging by the way under the category of lies. i think that what these people did was absolutely outrageous the republican party condemned it immediately as we did the riots in portland and seattle and chicago and all over america all summer long but there was still waiting on the democrats to denounce any of that violence including joe biden and self and so there were plenty of occasions when when joe biden criticize the violence you know that of any kid i'm not going to ask you to name one. but you know what he did very tepid lady is saying you know we need to look at causes but i don't hear in the now whether like the republican party absolutely has to now after january sit violence and you know i think it's a port you know you use the fact that you say they've denounced it mr king he said

have been i was impressed one of the most shocking aspects of january the 6 was that the you gov poll and they later showed a plurality of your party members supported the attack on the u.s. capitol 45 percent of republicans strongly or somewhat strongly supported it as opposed to 43 percent who strongly or somewhat opposed the violence the point is this if close to half your members 10 you can't take polls seriously member tell me that wasn't the after cheered among your party members that they got it completely wrong it's a narrative of the media and i understand why the need the media wants that narrative but republicans have always been down to violence whether it then well whether it's b.l.m. whether it's trump supporters storming the capitol were very very consistent on that and i was absolutely appalled by the people who broke the law to go to jail whether it was a washington d.c. or seattle or portland oregon and it's just there's no gray area to it and i don't

know tom sponte don't jr his son says it's not donald trump's party to go along with that i don't believe that it is i think we're in a kind of a big tent situation and he's absolutely one of the dynamic leaders of the party. case in point 10 of the house republicans who voted for him to teach but now have multiple candidates running that gets them somewhere is a reflection of their but just in the same way democrats step out of line with their party leaders you know and say that the russian hoax was absolutely a hoax they would be opposed as well so many of you think these trumps pontin you saying. the dynamic leader then is going to be a pretty aggressive and vindictive organization isn't it you remember what don jr said on january the 6th he told the crowds of cheering supporters that if they weren't going to fight to change the election results then he was coming after them if you're going to be the 0 and not the hero he said we're coming for you and we're

gonna have a good time doing it in other words do is we say or you regret it this isn't politics this is open unashamed thuggery isn't it well i don't want to rock obama says the telecoms after us with their knives we're going to come after them with our guns i say that's really not very political rhetoric all politicians use the word fired if you watch the most recent share and the trump defender lawyer show time and time again where from chuck schumer unethical to joe biden everybody in between is the word fine and that frankly is politicians in europe are ignored by the probably i can relate it is just something people want you to do when you get off but they'll fire at these threats jack kingston that we had there weren't empty threats we saw in your state georgia what they meant when the election officials dared to suggest trump might have lost the state they were threatened with violence their families were threatened and trump did nothing to condemn such

blatant intimidation remember gabriel sterling implementation manager of georgia's election system directly addressing trump and telling him all of you who have not said a damn word about these threats are complicit stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence someone is going to get hurt someone's going to get shot someone's going to get killed and so they did on january the 6th you like that kind of vigilanteism that he was talking about trump supporters targeting election officials trolling them harris sing them at their homes because they didn't engineer the results from wanted is that the way you want your. party to behave well let me ask you this tim were you that upset when the democrats were getting in the face of sarah sanders and maxine waters was saying get in their face disrupt them and congresswoman to leave he said impeach the proudly on inauguration day and time well ask you about the republicans you turn it around to

talk about the democrats yamas can you about your own party your own party i guess what i'm telling you as i'm not in at the on defense and no that's what this is intended to be but i'm not in a big because you know if you look at the rhetoric of the democrats which led to the violence that killed 50 police officers this summer and injure hundreds of americans why is somehow that kind of rhetoric removed from the result and yet done trump jr says something and he's got blood on his hands we're going to talk to the democrats about what they do and say i'm talking to you as a republican about what the republicans do and say and these threats these threats clearly had i mean fact didn't pay in the trolling and the harris mint of local officials in georgia you saw it well it's a fact as mitt. gave sterling a friend of mine gave france for 25 years i think he and secretary reps and burgers

did a very decent job under very tough circumstances i did not like the out of court settlement that they did last spring which led to some any shenanigans on the democrat part but i think given the post-election car they were dealt with they were ok with it however let me say this none of them had physical violence against them i served in congress for 22 years i got death threats as does most do most elected officials get death threats most of them are rhetorical in this case the. quotes that you're citing arm. rhetorical nothing has happened early in our pret reps of birth going to camp or anyone else on the outrageous and the outrageous threat from trump him self to judge a secretary of state as you mentioned brad raffensperger that if he didn't find jump another 11700 votes in overturn his defeat he might find himself facing criminal liability you think that's fine the begging for votes and the implied

threat if they want being given if they were found. here's something in which we could agree i don't think that phone call was productive at all so it was going to be used as a power doesn't it wasn't just not productive it was an abuse of power wasn't this and i know the media is obsessed with donald trump hatred but changing the not see this type of discussion this type of rhetoric has been building for years in america it's a sad thing but i'll say this isn't about accountability jack kingston it's not about the media taking positions about accountability for things that you say and do. ok that's what it's about and i have it with you that that phone call was not. so let me go on record on you know let me say this the party right now i think is a very good position we also are the kind of the trumpet the non truck

types and the party and i don't mean hardcore not on trial but. just the democrat party has their hardware progressives they deal with the moderates and that's part of being a majority party but histories are saying our side how can you say that how can you say your party is doing well what happened to real diversity in the republican party different opinions your lifelong republicans have lined up to endorse joe biden didn't by last september 100 former republican lawmakers friends and fellows of yours in those biden more than 70 top republican national security officials went over to biden hugely respected public servants who were the intellectual bedrock of your party and now they've gone. can afford to lose those people come on the lake and project rather $9000000.00 pocketed $45000000.00 in their own

consulting company then load it under allegations of sexual harassment is that and i'm talking about people like former defense secretary chuck hagel former cia and n.s.a. director michael hayden former director of national intelligence john negroponte william webster former director of the cia and the f.b.i. i'm talking about people like that who wouldn't under any circumstances vote for a republican party led by trump and you're not worried that you're losing people of these caliber this caliber 2 things i think the media should be worried and doing some soul searching on why did you have. lekan party leadership on your t.v. shows over and over and over again up until it was found out i mean even after the election the media built the wonderful people at the lake in parts it again seemingly sexual harassment or harassers end up but it wasn't answering my question

you're not answering my question. let me say this in terms of the has been said that you named i understand they're not in 'd the in crowd they were on the outs the trump movement was about populism it's about the working men and women these people were left out because they were washington insiders and i can tell you a seen it over and over again washington insiders don't feel like they're a member of the gang they switched parties because suddenly they can become relevant again you know none of those people particularly hurt us because they never. you insist you're in a good place in the 8 presidential elections since 1908 you won the popular vote just once in this last election there were more registered independents than registered republicans not puts you in a good place yes let me tell you why 3 reasons number one history shows from bush to trauma to obama to clinton that the party out of power will take back the house

and the senate history's on our side number 2 there's joe biden himself i don't know if he makes it 4 years he could not remember the name of his own secretary of defense the other day that by the way scares everybody in our enemies more especially watched it than anybody number 3 look at the democrat party right now klum oh they're here at the toast of the town is has his own party saying he needs to resign then look at the other jumbo state in america california get a nuisance be in recall they only need a 1000000 and a cemetery how many come back how many come back to your party come it come by. party jackie tell it because i want to get a sense i want to get a sense of what the g.o.p. will look like with trump still controlling it as he does now let's take marjorie taylor green newly elected to the house of representatives last november notable

statement barack obama was a secret muslim in june 2800 she said a california wildfire was started by a laser beam from space and controlled by a prominent jewish banking family with connections to democrats trump was so impressed with her racist and anti-semitic views that he tweeted that she was a future republican star marjorie he said he's strong on everything and never gives up a real winner really is that the type of person who achieves star status in today's g.o.p. you happy with. have concerns but no you haven't had the same worries about some of the silly things that. cause your car terraces for example remember last year she said 12 years less we're down to 11. that's pretty scary where's the baby about that oh it's ok because she's good looking she's a little socialist darling what about to leave what about tell me about the concerns you have about marjorie 10 agreeing term tell me what you said you just brushed it

away and said i have some concerns about what concerns my concerns but they wanted to put her on the education committee until the democrats voted on or off one apparently education views like that how yes will you saying here's what i know after serving in congress for 4 for 22 years that out of 430000 people you're always going to have the variety of people who say stupid things are hears them but they don't rule that kings a few people do feel ashamed about the direction in which the g.o.p. is headed but you're not one of them jennifer horn former chair of the new hampshire republican party called its current state. the most open embrace of an anti democracy movement that we've seen in our country in a very long time but these alone voices and they all being swept aside by the trumbull jargon on our side outside of america there's huge concern about your party about his attitude to truth to

a free press to democratic checks and balances do you not understand that 1st of all let's put it in perspective new hampshire. we have 50 states new hampshire is one of the smallest i've never heard of this woman but you guys are over now because she agrees with your narrative that she some kind of odd color thought process was and that a few people are ashamed i didn't set up is an icon well there's nobody he's ashamed of their vote for for. it's. when they got there are schools are they been open energy prices gas has gone up about 20 percent of the pipe at the pump because he's already. started messing up the energy policy the crisis on the border where we have 15757 percent increase in migrants coming over and they're not my boots are you know and they need a legal aid is you know you hate the word illegal alien which is

a legal term but that's what's going on on these are these are self-imposed heiress i don't see how the democrat party can say oh i love the fact that yes you can go and still why aren't we ok but we're back on the democrats let the in the time we have left can we just concentrate on the republican party because so many of your members seem still to want a man who has no interest in the trappings of democracy if you go on eroding people's trust in democratic institutions and trump clearly has its own even best spots in the taters will be glad to see you win doesn't it worry you even trump admitted that he got on best with dictators bud's of a feather it's amazing how the media has to get a name column here's one here's one that you look at the states that are run by republicans $27.00 of them the majority of states are run by republicans the ones that have governors like on the census in florida and governor but it texas they're

reopen the economies are going well people are enjoying their freedom schools are open so children are losing a year that small businesses are coming back at jobs are being found and created that's what a 1000000 americans are dead because of the actions of a president who said it's all around the control it's all under control and yes the republican party is bigger. but the media is the media can't get over it and i understand you don't like it you don't like freedom you know i don't like individual responsibility you want california you want new york you want maryland you want them there they say you want people to be law and you want everybody to drive down the street other cells where in a mess it's still it you know. back here you know but you know i mean now that we're going somewhere where where we're out of time thanks very much i really

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