most of the cost. live lives profit driven. and globally connected. or has this pandemic sparked irreparable change. how will we live in the future after the pandemic. hello and welcome to open 1900. 11 were all this week we're taking a look ahead at life after the pandemic from what it means for cities 2 economies even nutrition today climate change as the world focuses on getting past the pandemic the urgency of climate change has taken a bit of a backseat but slowing global warming could actually be critical for preventing future disease scientists warn that a warming planet will provide fertile ground for viruses and other pathogens and introduce disease carriers to new habitats. a german climate activist and author

david nellis has been mapping out some of those dangers he spoke with us earlier take a listen you know one example is the type of mosquito which spreads to the in your fever that you could come you're going to miss the positive just south asian regions because of climate change it's warmer you have sort of you know came to europe and therefore there is reason to be affected because if you if you're organizing. german climate activists and author david nellis there for more on this let's talk with he's dean of the party school of global affairs at boston university professor not something you so much for joining us this connection between changes and wildlife habitat and disease as the benjamin helped make this clear to normal people and perhaps added some urgency to climate change. i hope it will i'm not sure it has certainly had the beginning of the pandemic until there

was a bit of fear mongering about how it had come here but all concerned about it about you know how did it get here and because you know places that it had crossed neutered from sort of the zoological system or into the human system there was this concern that maybe we will again sort of start looking at meijers the enemy could i hope for it will happen and is happening not as much as i would like but i hope the right message is that we have to live in coexistence with nature that nature has a huge think that nature it is what not issues us and if we restrict the space of nature to future strip the space of biodiversity then nature will hit back in the reason for example that your guest was talking about we don't get all in the view that we have seen it could all about us that in some ways the big lesson is that there is no human held without because people help the 2 come together that's what the management of climate change in managing the pen demick has required an

incredible lot of collective action and sacrifice which climate change will also require based on what you've seen so far from the bendemeer should we be optimistic or pessimistic about the fight against climate change. at this point and i did but i do do hope that we should be varied afflicted of about what has happened we should try to think part of it we're just happened we're going to learn about ourselves about our own behavior and we should have a concern in some ways this pandemic give you an early warning if you will of what it truly all of them either because we've heard it before what are truly global crisis looks like you know we've talked about climate as as as it has a crisis possibly in the future having this in your face meek's you pain can should make you think there are good lessons and there are some disturbing this is the disturbing lesson is that this was not only global moment our immediate reaction especially in the beginning was closing up. it was getting tribal was building

walls was trying to blame the other was trying to put more workings are ok i have too many too many problems myself i can share my ventilators i can't really give you my mosque if you go back to march of last year the good lesson if you want is the lesson of vaccine development for example the lesson of science coming in to help the lesson of listening to knowledge and intervene and the choice that we will make really to do in the future in somebody is the sad part is and this is what is big much like climate change scientists act surprised there's been demick happen but there was no surprise in the pandemic we knew about and there he talked about being there because he prepared or he said we prepared for britain to mix and yet we didn't kim we have ignored it so often that vivid found to be unprepared that is exactly the story with climate change at the same time i wouldn't you happen to know what is the right to feel surprised when we look at climate change

versus the pandemic the pen demick has very specific in that as we all get to a certain number of vaccines we reach her immunity with climate change there's no solid there there perhaps does that make it more difficult for someone to imagine tackling climate change versus the pen demick. it might it might make it more difficult but it also makes it more urgent you're exactly right climate change does not have a vaccine whether it is pfizer or no our astronauts go wherever they're going to come up with a vaccine or a bill that you're going to walk in and climate change will be solved yes that out of the is that what's going to duck dish and we will have to adapt and adopt dish or will not be comfortable in adult patients will not be the be cheap and give you learn that in the pendant in the brain if you know what is it that dish means something bad happens and you adapt to it you learn to live it so you build your buildings higher if seeds healable it's right that. i vehicle straighter because of discord i'm adapting where that is exactly depend about what we did with the

pandemic we had that are we learnt how to build a mosque we don't how to lock ourselves up we learnt how to not meet us we learnt how to not hug people we love how much that is what are not dictionaries and the list is a definition is not comfortable how much harder will that shift be was adaptations be especially as we're going from the end of the pen demick to climate change i get the feeling that not many people are in the mood to talk about personal sacrifice right now but they'd rather be rewarded for a period in which they feel like they've already sacrificed a lot so maybe taking more trips things like that. yeah i think i think you're right i get into every i don't want to begrudge them sort of going out and sort of you know after having me locked up for a year but on the other hand this is why this should be a moment different flexion this should be a moment of learning because you've also got so many things right we have learned good lessons we have learned the lesson that if you spend a dollar in advance to overt

a crisis you will save millions of dollars when if the crisis hits so i think those are the lessons that come not in terms of climate in bend any can particularly in the beginning there was a little sort of target ok we were driving as much and we won't be using energy as much and because action will go down i'm sure not sure that has exactly happened maybe it's happened in a few cases to the extent it does happen you know strategy should not be locking people up in the hopes. and on the other hand we found there you know we have a consumptive species we find new ways to consume wheat be other people who go and travel on our behalf and emit carbon on our behalf and develop and drop food at our doorsteps but really r e v p r e smart species we should learn from this i hope the biggest lesson we learned is not that we will all become sort of self-sacrifice that's that i don't think that's our roots over the question is not some sacrifice this question is smart behavior

we do not get pleasure out of emitting carbon via pleasure out of quality of life and i hope for the better known it also teaches us is that what you know of life means more than just getting into your car and getting stuck in traffic or i will have to leave it there for now professor. with boston university thank you so much for joining us. let's check in now with our science correspondent derrick williams for another question related to climate change. demand for meat is growing and that has consequences for human health and the environment how does science trying to address this problem our hunger for meat contributes in a major way to climate change and environmental degradation and the conditions in which billions of animals are kept also poses a direct health threat to humanity since experts say intensive animal

agriculture provides a nearly perfect breeding ground for pathogens to evolve so what's science doing to help improve the paradigm well 2 things jump instantly to mind one is all that research behind plant based meat alternatives that look and taste like the real thing but are mostly made from the ingredients like soy or or peas or mushrooms discoveries in a range of scientific fields especially those that involve how we process taste and texture are improving the experience of eating those products which is reflected by a recent big boom in demand. the other science driven approach to the meat problem involves the cutting edge field of cultivated or cultured meat it's based on the fact that that animals themselves are actually pretty inefficient meat factories

lots of what you put in comes back out again as as problematic waste or it goes towards creating unwanted by products like like skin or bone so so why not just grow only what you want the mean directly from the right types of cells replicated in giant bio reactors the science behind doing that in a commercially viable way has actually proven pretty fenech a maybe you remember the hype around the 1st a lab grown burger back in 2013 which cost 250000 euros to make but the technology has come a long way since then and production costs are coming down fast the big question of course is how willing people will be to buy it.

our own son such words eric williams there that's it for us today thanks for watching stay safe and we'll see against a. kickoff

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