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i am and they share private footage with us that has never been seen before. back to china starts a people 26 on t w. one to work like. you wrecked. her on her. own like a machine and when given benchmark was known as an. i mean maybe one day they will they will have their own preferences that we care about and they will be you know to become like and you always be she is.
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artificial intelligence creates things we've never seen or heard before. like gustav mahler as unfinished 10th symphony now completed in its entirety our. deep neural network news net has managed to complete what the composer couldn't ai is invading our lives and the arts. just how much is the subject of one's research age rector of the max planck institute for suman development in berlin he talks with us about ai and how to deal with intelligent machines. or head of research center humans and machines why do you think it's important to study the. haver machines because machines are and you
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. factor in our world you know this is the 1st time that we've created a tool that can make decisions on it's own. it's going to be driving cars it's going to be making decisions about who gets hired and fired and it's going to help us create arcs and so on. so what would you say are the possible scenarios we're looking at in the near future the problem with machine learning is that in my blue learn harmful behavior is all it's all we need to understand that we're dealing with a new kind of. entity that may be a little bit unpredictable like in a space odyssey doors. i'm sorry. i'm afraid i can't do that computer how is an intelligent beast with emphasis on beast think you know
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what the problem is just as well as right this mission is too important for me to jeopardize. our intractable how doesn't think much of people logically speaking there's no reason to since they're so liable to breaking down. in alien the spaceships computer mother acts in a similar why it. struck. by. burning the wrath of salt human survival as ripley. in films intelligent machines usually run amok a few strive to be human sometimes even more humane than never all models. say that the robot in steven spielberg's ai even wants to build real relationships. but is david as harmless as he looks. sort of official.
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of course it is in blade runner replicants go broke to escape their fights a slave laborers so they aim to hide their true identities it seems you feel i work is not a benefit to the public. slingers going to murder me in my suite. in one of the red comedies about ai the robot may not look human but he's a real body. now. don't you ever had a dream video that you were so sure was real. in the matrix trilogy i am i control an entire parallel universe one in which people are clearly not welcome. shouldn't be used to. transfer this planet. into q. . the
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terminator is sent back from the future to correct the course of history he's a killing machine guided by. because humans could in danger robots in the future they're deemed expendable. but later it's machines against machines and everything ends in chaos yet in most cinematic confrontations with the humans who come out on top. that's probably because for now people are still watching scripts. trust me ai causes a lot of anxiety and fear within society how can we deal with this and do you think that these concerns are valid i think people are afraid to weigh our today because we don't understand this thing so if i is not as powerful as hollywood depicts how powerful is it you know where is it being used what kinds of mistakes does it make
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is it affecting me as an effect in my family or does it make us strictly better off or sometimes worse off and i think well when you don't understand something that is gaining more and more power over you then i. i think it's your right to be concerned what about the air i self would you describe that more as a simple tool or could you see it also being a creative genius we did a study on on how people perceive they are and we found that also the way you speak about it i can shape public perception so for example 1st i generated art in a high profile auction was sold for something you know just under half a $1000000.00 if you use the language of agency to describe the ai the artist gets like tens of thousands of dollars less but in people's minds but when you ask them
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how much money do you think the heart of st the versus the programmer and so on so that really translates to real money. and the same thing goes for when something goes wrong so we want to stimulate a discussion about language around ai because this language has real consequences on. blame and praise on benefits and on costs for real humans. behind the old walls of this 16th century man i just outside london their lives a robot that draws. this machine with a human face it's named ada. she's a robot with the mannerisms of a real artist. i was her theory you recollect. because.
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there was. a major has been drawing and painting since 2019 last year her work sold out as an exhibition at oxford university it's estimated that collectors have paid more than 1000000 pounds for where x. . gallery owner aiden miller came up with the idea to create a. i knew that was you trying. to write every 2 or 3 o. her days ready to go. together with a team of computer scientists robotics experts and design as miller developed in his own words the world's 1st robot artist programmed for creativity. major draws with chalk and paints with acrylic. works make a fortune. to me to look hurt to have this interaction with the
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normal human in the way that we can. it's quite a month earthling feeling but she would be surprised how quickly you feel very relaxed with with having a robot in your life. as a call to explore the potential of artificial intelligence before it's too late. but is this real arts or is it just a grand technical achievement a.j. raises the question whether human artists will be competing against robots in the future. we've heard. from different artists thinking oh my goodness what does that mean for my own abilities the actual we very much believe the whys of reporters and . within the art world is very much similar to the rise of the camera in the 18 fifty's and sixty's. people were very threatened by this camera that it was the end
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of painting the idea that one day robots might replace humans is unthinkable for artist marcus lee to pets he's one of the most influential german contemporary painters sees artists robots like ada is no more than an attempt to attack the divine spark of human genius one of the lost mysteries of our enlightened and mechanized world. the robot is an abomination an emotion when i start to think i'd say it's an outrage they become the enemy. this enemy relies on human input data templates and information that robots like programmed to process and they continue to get better with this processing on a technical level. yet the machine understands neither a painter has creative urges nor an artist's obsession. that's why robots that paint and draw always be condemned to me to imitate.
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machines can only do what humans do when we don't need machines or machines would need to do something that humans can't. perhaps true mechanical creativity is at its best when it supports human roles and algorithms can help or act as assistance the british artist and original dares to create a symbol of both worlds real life and the world of technology in her art she creates virtual flowers through machine learning is only able to see the results of her work when the computer has finished processing. it's like when you catch a glimpse of yourself in america before you realize it's year and you kind of you kind of recognize yourself but you also don't so it's this weird uncanny kind of kind of sensation. in her video installation most a virus she lets the computer come up with an endless sequence of chewed it pitches
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these 2 loops don't exist in this way they're based on tens of thousands of images of real flowers that on a regular photographed categorized and then handed over to her ai helper. it's always surprising and it's always something that is you know it's like a wild or fria version of something that you might create but you could never get there without this help. every single junior is a unique electronic specimen and attributes to the dutch masters and their 17th century still life paintings the technical possibilities and now and i read lots of paint such classic motu. the fs in a completely new guys not with a brush or on a canvas but through artistic artificial intelligence. how original and over to our ai generated creations i would say the majority of ai
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tirith creations today are not as original as you might think and the reason is they rely on machine learning and machine learning is a technique that. for the most part learns from examples so it is as original as all of this combined art that it's all before i think the part of machine creativity that's more original that's more risky that's more exploratory where the machine is creating completely new imagination which i think is much less developed today but that part could really change. what it means to create art. music composed by river scape or to put it more precisely the rivers many bends analyzed and transposed into notes the rhythm to sit by the forces of nature. 'd and their flaws when the river has lots of bands or has
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a more complex visual structure than the musical structure is also more complex and when the course of the river changes then you also hear that as acoustic feedback as a kind of live ranter potations based on the data acquired by the ai. its algorithms are filled with countless examples which teach the ai what turned sounds into music it can then suggest what fema melody could embark on next. music made mathematically is it creative is it art. have problems it's another approach. that's the way you need to imagine it and i'm going to i belong to a whole generation of new composers and also artists who have grown up with technology and with algorithmic methods that. taught and what ai has now opened up
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for machine learning to put it more precisely is a kind of sparring partner this bearings part. partner that helps in the composition process and reacts to suggestions. for 9 years musician ali nick ryan has been developing a program to write sophisticated compositions was this written by a man or a machine it's impossible to tell. he's big breakthrough came with a program. which can compose pieces in the style of everything from mozart to. listen to a piece of music that is composed by an ai since it is able to examine responses because of the exact. same as not understanding our emotions. possible pianist glenn gould's performances were emotional and unconventional though he died
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in 1982 his style is still alive and well. thanks to ai. so what we're doing is we're analyzing the recordings to see how he interprets a given piece of music and try to change to an ai system so that i could play an expressive style of. bringing going all back to life. it's as if ghost is sitting at the piano those who knew him a star. christian rosa doesn't just want to imitate human creations he wants to explore unknown to mentions through his art with the help from ai he's collected some other world the
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signals. on this one become very rich as we take this great unknown outer space and we try to capture radio signals from space and then we have our manmade scan it to look for patterns which we wouldn't be able to find on our own fin transcriptions from space interpreted by using familiar harmonies it's a bit by bit bizarre somehow sublime. when you kind of you enter a question and get a reply you never would have anticipated that can move things forward in the composition or creative work which allows it to take
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a turn you simply couldn't predict them but this that's quite exciting the. machines are becoming increasingly able to adapt learn and create original unpredictable outputs how would you say this impacts society today ai looks like this magical black box that new things that we've never seen before and also maybe we we ascribe too much power to these things that are influencing us as well so now we just think of all these algorithms that are manipulating us in so many ways and the truth is we don't really know the extent to which this many pollution. works we don't have like a very solid scientific basis about how much really how much power these things have over us what do you think the top dangers are of enter creating ai into our lives having
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a small group of people have no political power over pay our. so if you think of today we have very few companies that have disproportionate power over our data if this data is paid to ai's that can then have a say or can make decisions that impact us and society as a whole then we're in trouble because then we're in a tyrannical situation and i think that's a problem that we don't have really transparency about which data can be owned by whom can be used by whom to what and and this is not always part of. a clear transparent discussion what role do you think art can play in this debate i think are going to be really powerful because it can help us imagine. both the good and the bad as artists can translate. the technology and the unknown into something that our imagination can can deal with and that we can connect with
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on an emotional level and intellectual and so i just have i think a great role to play. an art act as a mediator between the real world and digital reality it's as if we're living in 2 worlds at the same time. in one that is visible in which we can take a train go shopping read other people. and another in which we are monitored and algorithms make decisions for us. artificial intelligence systems collect data and arrange the world who profits who loses out. imagine you're walking down a street and if you're an older woman you know you only see certain stores and certain options businesses but if you're a younger man you see lots and you see
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a totally different street and that's very much what i was. you're having nightmares about you know that the street that i would walk down as a black woman in germany might be entirely different than the street that you have friends family members are able to walk down because they're male because why because they're not. what can art do to fight discrimination what role kind of play just out i think that has a great strength it can make things accessible i think that it's extremely important because our society is so influenced by artificial intelligence now people are being marginalized by these technologies and we have to speak about it. dani and the kima stuff our are 2 researchers and artists based in berlin who are exploring the question of why the world remains so one just although there is so
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much artificial intelligence. here there in berlin's future in a space where the future of the planet and humanity is explored this is a world increasingly dominated by machines and algorithms that are discriminatory dani says that ai is intertwined with racism and sexism. that after everything the data that the systems used from the past said they're actually quite conservative systems in a sense but tough when they're used to predict to recommend. to underscore what to expect in the future it's very unrealistic to expect them to be more egalitarian or fair or anything different than the data that it's using as a basis i have. fashion her some time. with no end in sight. joy is a gun in american computer scientist and artist she started fighting bias in
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algorithms after realizing that ai did not recognize her face unless she wore a white mask. the more she delved into the issue the more she understood that it was a structural problem ai systems do not work with black people particularly black women . so joy when he's gender shapes project is really how i started to understand that this is a whole body of research that's been done if you're not convinced that you have a representative data set of the various possibilities for diversity in the world then you're probably not going to have a very fair or a very expansive assessment by an algorithm of who is. legitimate person who is a person at all who is considered an individual who has access to social participation who has positions of power for ai systems fed with data from the past
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the answer is often white men some of them cannot even attribute the right sex to women still obama i know dad and i don't rate to wear her down or his her crown seems amiss for systems i'm sure of her hair a way to go before a toupee maybe not are there no words for our brains in our lives those are relaxed hair and so anything good or big oprah the 1st lady. even her days well now some algorithms falter and sentiments that strong women are men i think that what artists an artistic creators can do is help us to see and feel what the experience of being marginalized looks like and to help us understand before we get so far that we discover this is half. to us. what it is that we're doing by excluding certain people by creating artificial barriers that are not mediated by human
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contact some video artists have started using ai and virtual reality themselves to offer a response the neuroscientist ashley baucus clark has created an installation with hyphen labs which puts users in the body of a black woman at a hair salon. and shares a player. many of these projects are about taking back the power of intent protection showing everything from our perspective. what do we really associate with ai ashley and typhon labs is showing that vision of a future a very community based future. a future without discrimination and stereotypes can artificial intelligence help to make the world a better place. i don't think that we should be looking to ai to make the world together scary and this is something for humans. they are it might be exacerbating
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some of the more undesirable aspects of society but we humans can still change that . ai opens up all kinds of new dimensions and the adventure has just begun and join us again next time on art's 21.
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