and 11 months is and had a test. coming up next our doc film series takes a look at the work of photographer obvious autarky for all of us here in berlin thank you for watching 2000 you. can you hear me no no yes we're going to do in high lofty is gentlemen sound so that when we bring you i'm going to magical and you've never had to have been surprised himself with what is possible who is magical really brought a new style and want. to talk to people and follows her along the way maurice and critics alike join us from eccles last stop.

us i met a boss the great franco iranian photojournalist 20 years ago we made a book together. a beautiful to go through photograph the world for 60 years to marrying witness to all the major events of our time for sebastian aided by his unique vision in a career i suggested we make a film about his work he said it was too soon and refused to be filmed in the truth he said one only made such a film right before dying for. only for. 20 years went by and abbas said if you still want to make the film now is the time we don't have much time find a team fast and we'll start. about by

a bus. a boss died a week after we finished shooting the smell. but ok ready ready scope. take one. given you but i'm all for the love homie no homo sauce on 3 i really became a photographer in 1968 when i saw this photo a lot i knew i'd be a photographer. because my old router is that it is there on this if you create your that's what i call

a suspended monitor remotes respond to. sit there version by instagram not freezing a situation i'm suspending it true we're going to limp if i want to seem like the subject kept doing things after the picture of all her live with of. about a boss suggested we make the film together he knew he wouldn't see our connections and i'd have to do that alone minister. i asked him to choose that hand of his symbolic names. here also sadly violence and fear is the biggest chapter in my work there won't come i. must push a book real the yellow because i've covered

a lot of violence. i admit that i was fascinated with violence but one of your also not just the flat out violence of battlefields and revolution the sky but also violence toward and else you know brought on some. live your laws over violence and religion now you also later when i started my work on god was there what the photos speak for themselves were children. or clear what the bible meant. hope how i hope every shiba when you're working you don't think there's no time for emotions. i must have an emotional screen between what i see and myself but your good doesn't mean i'm emotional less it just means i react later middle what goes into my subconscious. but it comes back.

nightmares like time bombs space. to me is what i put up that emotional scream but sometimes when i saw children suffering i broke down electric car it happened several times. this was in sarajevo and the medical they brought in the body of a boy killed by a serbian bomb. i couldn't help it but what it. was headhunted is hard to comprehend that you were there at that age at 26 photographing someone else's war here but how did you handle that if that's when it's go driven as a photographer you just do it's the job i mean if you don't ask those question

although it's a job you don't ask those questions. you were talking about courage about how it takes courage which could courage often comes down to a lack of imagination you made us who were very often because who. said but if i had age you think you're immortal. so she didn't evolve them almost i didn't previously remember becoming mortal during the iranian revolution in 1979 so some of these youths on the set up. when i went out in the morning i wasn't sure i'd make it all. go through very over here when i go to vietnam or bangladesh i'm concerned otherwise i wouldn't go so the concerned as a photographer and the only hope but in iran it was different i was both concerned and involved because it was my country and my people my revolution that 1st before

it was hijacked so you believed in it i would think of course but maybe there was a tipping point for me along. with this was the moment i remember it clearly was who could who are they sick of committing the 1st 4 generals of the shah's army who were executed after a secret trust i thought about us and this is no longer europe aleutian covered as best you can but it's not yours you. said i want to call you pretty sure this was before the revolutions victory wind farm and you can see a woman being lynched because the militants thought she was a supporter of the shah in. the book i remember well they were running around and i was running backwards and taking photographs. really difficult and tell you there's always someone who says no photos no photos and i responded

entrancing overseas her history of equality has supported a word history flipped a switch in their heads as though the photo wouldn't be published right away so the political police wouldn't round them up at night he could have put his what if you know it's good but when i said history they let me be going to see her uses the police who are. taking the picture wasn't the problem. but it could see 3 my friends and i am would meet at night and talk about our days it was my friend said about us you catch up that road right from christopher to tarnishing the revolution but you're right the time people said the violence only came from the shows regime. show you can't show that to a public chris i said sorry but although i may be for the revolution it was early on as you put that but i'm also a photographer with a responsibility as a journalist and a target for myself and to my readers there's always that i'm showing it my way.

is it with which i won't quit would suit. my mother enough i'm the at one point the woman fainted or do we. not me the army intervene so. i was in for a cold i was taking a picture on the sly because it was dangerous my view it would have been worth it and a soldier saw me and came at me with a grenade on his rifle but i was afraid he would set it off if he had i wouldn't be here i should say i didn't give him the history spend i just left the ship what do you suppose but i thought if i woke. up miserable at worst day of filming and it just didn't i tried not to push abbas to talk if he didn't want to i had this strange feeling that we were all trying to get our parents to snuggle past.

the low road use a. refined that is not and separate a sweet. girl of your own said leper who was a blow to require not only here but. since he would be here now for the other thing we requested of a. so when you call pollution. but simple vision there is. no secret. how you. the point here for to us is that in the 1st photos of khomeini when you can really see that tension inside. your personality. you

bangladesh in bangladesh. in many you can see this demonstration by the islamists who wanted to real law instead of the civil code or crickets here i'm quoting again their faces say it all. and then we'll see consequences so of course all of you know that's why this photo comes afterward like. surgery no matter the consequences were that this young man lost both his legs because fanatics put a bomb in a movie theater because movies are illicit he lost both legs. the music muslims don't have a monopoly on fanaticism it is. sit there seventies this is a snake handler service not to say a mouse it's a cult which thinks that if you're a believer they're getting this from the bible and nothing can happen to you just so that i be able to see only clearing poison or get bitten by

a better miss nakes and be just fine by this when you move during the service with music playing and you get out of venomous snake and pass it around when you move the bus the moment it's quite something a. question or. photograph photograph is a greek for someone who writes with light. but it can also mean someone who draws with light who will obviously get him oh so you keep this scene a regulator you. have some stuff really but. they supply them with your. 7 male me. feel less of a lot i mean i was for intake of. your by the highlights. of the moment was when i

was an out the left wing of. the r.c. told my daughter is girl you met my sobs merely for what. he'll see. the philippine me yearly and has opened warmly showed. the lapita people who sit on a list or example because of you. and all of us here we can move on to humiliate. in street and there was one situation in which i really felt what the palestinians feel that sort of daily humiliation really is sure which here it was in gaza city. a less street after an attack the israeli army had cut off the road. but it's you know so the palestinians have to travel along the beach if i was with my driver and i said the exodus is exhausted he says you know now this is judgment day you know

no solution in the army. and i was almost on to you know my sense of the greatest humiliation in my series in 1998 welcome aboard the iranian revolution in apartheid era south africa. those who had a writing club you see blacks who are white woman and they need everyone in their place. push open you see a police dog training school in me says the astonishing thing was that it was all the targets were black and all my love they thought that was normal. enough for talkies somebody see to me the photo that symbolized apartheid in the humiliation of apartheid was this one on one corner and there was a kernel from the black police academy. kids away standing in front of shirtless

future policeman who they yelled in fact i didn't suggest going there was a they offered as soon as i arrived the information service said i was welcome mr abbas how about photographing the police academy i thought would. i smell propaganda it was you and i decided to go and ask for something in exchange because they were proud of their school. so we went to visit the school they could know what to do they were all running working out. and then something clicked in my head . it wasn't the right set up it's just so it was interesting because you thought i needed to be posed i'm. not so lonely i asked the police academy director why don't you stand in front of your students particularly when you look at the guy from the information service or spy agency you gave me ok i go so he stood up in front with his stick as he likes me i don't like some stick. they said what we didn't really

close was no came to symbolize apartheid. i think they deeply regretted having invited me to that school because the photo was on magazine covers. agree actually here member mule i'll get the value i even saw they'd made a mural of it in new york. but interestingly i saw the colonel again 20 years later a magazine of a magazine i'd been looking for people from famous photographs let me found him he had become a general. he was retired and all of what he really is holding a magazine with his picture on it you know because of what to. look at he wasn't remotely fanatic he was delightful affable i've. presented and ethical problem. is could i have the right to represent him as.

some symbol of apartheid when he wasn't a bad guy. in fact he said we made a mistake would you say we should have mixed with the blacks not separated them or sit by longer with you i wasn't photographing the man because for the 1st i was photographing the uniformly back in the state he represented as he was what interests me not just here but in every situation isn't the characters themselves. so i only photograph them once unless they're my family and friends it's fleeting level but i'm interested in what they represent we could proceed on every scheme unties says give up his old. dog so i'm not. hence should she be. on the chart. with.

the 2 misplaced. ok when you're ready. are you ok. it will restarting use later. to say action. reminds us of the title to let your pain. that's what i mostly photographed pain not in fighters but in civilians because they suffer the most for groups. you know me wraps one of my best photographs of the civil war it was in northern ireland. you know we see a woman who had been wounded by a bomb planted by the ira. earlier i said i wasn't interested in individuals but rather what they represent. is old so for me.

is it this one woman who is suffering or b.s.s. with whole story is her suffering symbolic go all those suffering during the war or was it to me the universal is always the goal. when you aim for the universal you tend to forget about individuals.

but in the past had 4 sons is the name the eldest teams and i mean and the twins a rom and a rush. but i think. it's more will kill me or names. the 1st 2 and i'm a rush the 2nd 20 when he disappeared covering wars. at about 12 we made him promise to stop covering wars he did and 3 months later he went to the gulf war and when you asked him that. yes or no you know when we reached the age of reason we said enough and our grandparents our grandmother also insisted that he not cover wars because we worried about him but. it also he promised or he said yes yes we

perhaps it basically as you said that it was even. a few months later he went to the gulf war not toward the end of the photo in time. i didn't remember that but your right to learn to live with. one of the world's main ills is that people usually don't see going to the birth of his old if you think about it 6 months a year he's alone in the street from 5 am to 8 pm that's quite unusual. in book it's a vocation that's part of you. it's your calling and you can't do anything else because some are called to the priesthood he was called to be a photographer the. last question which isn't a question if you each had to choose one word connected to a boss not necessarily

a quality or flaw one word. which i'd say thank you. dad. makes if i think your dad is always. going to crawford he's. a long black from. running out of time is a boss one of us to shoot faster so we met every morning and filmed as much as we could too.

i mean with. the iranians love. him over the i must not be a very good iranian because i can't seem to photograph. even when it's in front of me i try to organize it. but what i buy his own brother is an excellent example. this. is the 1st anniversary of the iranian revolution it was february 11th 1980. 8 the young man invented it if you like it to people who are packed so tightly that this extraordinary mr rose down to f.

16. it prolifically was it and then he was in india but i encountered the most the most respond this is a suspended moment but at the same time there's a lot of action i love photos with lots of action as book with it's happening here and there but it's all connected as always you they can be connected by a peaceful gentle harmony you are by a clashing harmony you know when you're. with cuban what always impressed me about this image yes see the one i always wondered where you were when you took us through this all was well it's really it's really it's a mystery and that explained some photos too much like the photos live their lives and keep their mystery to go there obviously i want to. be clear there is young men the chapter on mockery look i love mockery. your proof

for the movie perfect example was because. president of the central african republic that's on top of the crowned himself emperor on a golden throne this is a. soviet period could have been a pleasant surreal have been it if this country hadn't been among the world's poorest cecil being at the poland he saw himself as an emperor akihito moisten and i wanted to mark that. is why photographed him with the press just in their shirt sleeves. the quests the trees. if you don't want any who don't play. and then at one point with his trainers ermin robe it was 45 degrees celsius in the shade what he walked by the toilets i couldn't miss that everybody was all the best example. 'd of this one of the moshe dean is mocking to your head in. what is he doing there.

sit there long clear he was on the way into kabul before the merge i didn't took the city. and then he. said see me as you will see if you mean this is one of my best known photographs from complete not fully revealed woman with a microscope go up. the mockery is gentler what you do with all of this is your this one for example it's all. of what you are with a woman a car bailed. you should do could i have 2 favorites which aren't all political. since you this one is in vietnam you have only selling 2 coconuts like full breasts and nothing else. you. could put in madam perhaps my favorite is the one in the book on mexico see a lot of you don't wonder why he's carrying a table on his head it's surreal and ridiculous. silly or least a bit easier. in

your images on religion or what is your. i've always found that i saw some violence and some mockery. living dubose here and what is your relationship with god would you. talk about that tomorrow spiritual into this poetry to or to. know if you could feel. his condition wasn't improving film at his home now he barely ate anything anymore and i started to worry.

that. maybe he wanted to keep filming he was his usual self on camera as though everything was fine. that is so here we have his law. also in the jews there is there are similar. christians buddhists hindus. and animists and. all those years in contact with religion was make you a believer going to korea. why should i do find myself in relation to a fantasy function if it is popular and is universal yet any of us.

could he. go through the other day he may be laughing today. let's get on with it. seems we. better stop it down or looks about then it's not that it's you but i can hear him giggling behind me about as. spirituality for you god doesn't exist i didn't say that as one man or woman in the world believe god exists you exist the answer is yes and i pull so god exists or exist. in no set so this is in mecca.

and the sit on this is in indonesia if they are quite young when true believers pray you can tell they've gone somewhere else. cloned. here's a comparison between a shiite muslim or less and an orthodox jew you know to look there's a family resemblance to know the bone to. the jews but i've got another great example of a suspended moment when he took offense was there coffee ceremony in an ethiopian jewish family who hadn't been able to emigrate but to make to his room but if i leave on the side if you have already could challenge in the christians i love this one because. city was a mass in the cork out of a house and bodies might be and again you could feel the spirit of pure

christianity please put. into a poem yeah but on the sample some think this is a muslim off as she's a coptic christian. but she uses the same gestures in prayer. because she the worship with just next return to the buddhists this and we do a lot going around the tree for the tree ceremony she was in new now to induce. a couple praying in the early morning. for the father wife is tied to her husband with a sari. but with a lot of tranquility. to o.c. with us here we have a joint out initiation ceremony in custom oncet senegal the city go i spent a night during initiation ceremonies it iss in the early morning. at what's your relationship to god you call john cordial. early it's a professional relationship but cordial. professional in that he doesn't tell me

how to photograph his flock and i don't tell him how to behave towards his believe was a horrible theory of mutual respect a quiet and cordial will his speech rarely call joe. there's room for the if you don't photograph religion face. but everything that surrounds it. has social political economic and psychological aspects all that interests me. this is melissa a photographer. and also incidentally my companion. she's

preparing a book of her work so i'm trying to advise. there should be a secret dialogue between the photographs perhaps this could go to the nearest missing but. here's an idea for instance. traveling with him makes me realize how little time we have and how important it is for us to make use of every 2nd that we have given because he does it his photos as. complex as he is profound i thought as he is this creature. and it carries great great depth off emotions and i have never known that to be possible by looking at a photograph until i thought his work. but although he said his relationship with

god is clearly professional i see in him a true believer a believer in the human potential of which the limits he challenges every single 2nd of his life. are subject to. let me know when you're ready to come ready if you're ready just listing back there. if you will know nobody better if you were here. you see stop waiting around. to go to court well let's go to beauty because corporate years of what can we say about beauty. i have energy to use it as i had a publisher in the u.s. for my book on mexico called the cuckoo said that an old art professor was italian

. and every time he spoke about a painting he stood in front of it and said ah ah ah ah ah but it wasn't on going to do the same thing yeah. how many photos are there here 1616 times i'll say ah ha ha since we didn't that says it all. comes.

out as counter these up a mess and we'll move on to sadness is this. mole so sadness. listen i'm not going to go. who are. good at my football up perhaps my favorite photo about sadness is this one see. you see a bride in kabul. the minute the husband is absent he had immigrated. i was sure it was a marriage by proxy and global of the husband was only there on a photo. the by the you can see your face it's not a joyful face those unicorn could heinie cause she had a qur'anic school in southern thailand. it put that much perhaps the saddest photo i've taken is this one. says it was during the siege of sarajevo policy i was

a makeshift cemetery because the serbs surrounded the city itself for lack of space for dead. you know every afternoon i walked past here and every afternoon there was a uniformed bosnian soldier mourning his young wife. so one for his grief was very very great because he was there every day for was committed to.

a bus abbas what will be found today. who knows. because when we were starting the last day of filming a bus with abbas took me aside to tell me how he wanted to end the bell. because he knew he'd never see and wish them enough. so private life the last chapter. she leant on yeah for iranians there are 2 very different worlds i don't need and peter any. sort of

beautiful name is the outside world all that is public and to name is anything private doors and there's a very clear delineation between them so. i have never been comfortable in situations there's private moments and even when i was invited. to parties perhaps subconsciously i thought that i don't like it when my private life is filmed there photographed with i feel. when i was this is one of the few times i've allowed a camera in my own. living if she was. doing. this work on private life began when my 1st granddaughter was born which he. up until then i'd only had brothers male cousins and good and sons was also usually good if you saw the 1st woman in the pram i was cherished if i meet the. daughter for the photograph to drive down an alley her sister who was born soon after ages of the people i kept on

throughout their childhood and adolescence holiday is now a mother which makes me her great grandfather opened one of their all schools or filament i'm working on a book about my granddaughters showdown on a ledge ordinarily i'll make a selection for the film if they are sure of us offered louche was the. question of if we do need call a few ringback . kirk kirk. dick of so.

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