separatists who are backed by russia militarily. to or to to start a fire are what and by caution in ukraine i mean are you crying should be very careful not to. create a situation like we had in georgia in 2008 when we had some weeks of fighting in the region of south ossetia and then the georgia decided we will try to liberate as they say the president saakashvili said that region and russia of course was nearby was ready in a standby motos and then the invasion was legitimized so to say yes and this is this is what russia maybe would like to see in ukraine as well russia would like to see ukraine make a mistake and maybe let itself be provoked by by the fighting of the recent weeks and this is this is probably the biggest danger and the biggest challenge for the ukrainian government but i don't see any proof or any any evidence that ukraine

might do that because if you if you take a c.n.n. camera team with you you're just trying to show to the world you're trying to use the media ukrainian president is a media medium and he's a media and he used to be a comedian he used to be a television star so that's what he does and what he can what he cannot do is a militia to do anything militarily is in a let me ask you this the fact is the conflict in eastern ukraine is mainly russian speaking and many of its residents now have russian passports russia says that if these citizens are in danger and it must protect them that is a rationale for military intervention that we have heard before is it justified. no it's not but russia did of the preparations and they have the laws that apply to them even to protect their citizens. even abroad but the key question is

very is the danger of that they will be. killed by nationalists are other people so aggressive people this is not right to have that russia spreading that moscow spreading by even comparing the situation in eastern ukraine with those. on the balkans which is disgusting from mine part of you so this is a stretch of strategy used by moscow and not only now and on bass but it has been used before in georgia with a posse and south. in february alexander president selenski took measures to silence 3 pro russian broadcasters in ukraine and also to sanction the oligarchy who owns them that all of our captains to have close ties to put in is the russian troop buildup partly a message to selenski that he went too far in essentially trying to shut down

russian propaganda machines i think the message is more to the west no nato crane as i said before but indeed i think it's a big mistake of it to close down the. 3 television stations will broadcast in russia because still in eastern ukraine and more people live in eastern ukraine than in the west of the korean train i mean they tend to listen also to russian programs and that steers more tension inside of the country than than brings the escalation so i hope that this mistake somehow will be taken back and what i think it's tremendously important is that approach and meet because they. form a different format or in the minsk format this meetings with the germans and french they didn't materialize they didn't bring. more progress for peace so

let's go to develop probably united states will now enters a piece of peace process in the minsk. after the meeting between biden and sports and this will be a james game changer in which way it will be successful that's a big question i want to come back i have to. say were those 2 the vision channels they were broadcasting in ukraine those 3 channels but they had links to russia for sure and there are still other channels in ukraine the broadcast in russian language and mostly appeal to the ukrainians in eastern and southern ukraine where people speak russian still thank you very much and those formats that you mentioned normandy and so on these are of course formats that try to bring other european powers as well into the conversation in hopes of getting a real peace process going but so far with notably limited results so let's talk

about the international aspect of this conflict and briefly if you would in fact ukraine is literally caught between the fronts of old military blocs the western defense alliance nato which ukraine would like to join and russia. russian president putin is celebrating the 7th anniversary of the annexation of crimea the strategically important peninsula located in the black sea despite the sanctions imposed by the west putin has not changed his policy russian soldiers are once again stationed on the ukrainian border and once again they are waiting on help from the west which was discussed at a nato meeting for foreign ministers in brussels. around. the largest concentration . of forces on the border since 24 feet. of the. prime but the united states wanted to be. ready. the united states has actually sent warships to monitor the situation russia

is responding with a military maneuver. through numerous what is the u.s. doing with its ships and soldiers who are constantly engaging in some kind of activity outside of nato is borders in ukraine thousands of kilometers away from their own territory where this question has not been answered. it also raises the question how far will the radio go to help ukraine. and let me put that question straight away to you because you know the russian build up has provoked strong words from the u.s. and nato but with a follow up with action in ukraine of course is not a member of nato so there is no treaty obligation there there is not and if you mean by strong reaction if you crane will be a member of nato very soon no it won't of course it will not and it's hasn't even been granted the membership action plan. he was

a are talking about stronger sanctions and this is something what my dream to have like cutting off from this with system our banking international transfer system something like that roman chancellor merkel has called on the e.u. to react to events in eastern ukraine resolutely and unequivocally those were her words how could the e.u. and nato support ukraine short of sending in troops should include they send additional weapons should they in fact speed up the timetable for a ukrainian membership in nato what do you think. well at the moment i think. most things have been done so there were strong words and weapons were sold to ukraine in the past year or so i don't think ukrainian army needs. something which which my. which might change the situation on the ground of course it would

like to have a pattern of systems but i don't think the us will go that far because that will provoke russia of course what more might be needed if we see an escalation and you military conflict and which will lead to ukraine losing more territory then i think your europe and the west in general should think about strength training or. building new creating new sectoral sanctions against sectors of archon economy because this sort of has shown we have seen it in the past years the most the strongest instrument to influence russia not just a visa and then travelled about sectoral sanctions but only if we see an escalation of the moment we are not there yet let me stay with the question of sanctions and and ask you alexander the u.s. and the if you have actually enacted multiple rounds of sanctions against russia in

past years not only for the actions in crimea but also for the poisoning of the alex in the valley the opposition. politician and also former spy sergey schiphol the u.s. is apparently about to impose new sanctions for cyber warfare and interference in u.s. elections so does any of this any of these sanctions have any real influence on moscow's behavior not at all and i think the who will have a completely different agenda russia and the e.u. will start cooperating on the facts in the sport maybe for europe and i also think that for the americans the main advantage of diversity on the global stage is not russia but china and therefore. biden doesn't want to risk sending more troops to crane or weapons to create in a bind all of his military apparatus and military machine in europe whether they collect the situation which can to morrow a cure in check. but clearly in biden is willing to impose additional sanctions

because it seems he's about to do so. what do you think how strong is the u.s. resolve to support ukraine we have heard that those warships that were supposedly going to be transferred dispatched to the black sea turkey says that deployment has been cancelled. in fact of the us never had the 3 openly that they sent out so there is a very much as i'm clear and the only sources we use a word of that sort. so that there would come these washed up so. i think it's a very clever reaction by biden by. offering a dialogue and at the same time. we wrote something. one sentence if you would is it time for germany to finally quit the north stream

gas pipeline project with russia on ice. i think this will be decided by the new german german government in in order to march to the parliamentary elections and we should stop talking about it because it's not possible to do it at the moment thank you very much to you for being with us from bonn thanks to the others in the studio and all of you out there thanks for joining us see you soon. a memorable.

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