i don't think it was quite wrong to sing along to you mr khan but from super. interactive access i think. everything is online mel file an interactive gem and for free with digital you. there is more freedom of speech today in libya that ever was in the history of libya its inhuman treatment its barbarity with the by we have to give the government a chance libya has a new government of national unity which promises free elections by the end of this year for the roadblocks it faces are immense armed militia groups still hold power throughout the country they still kill and kidnap with impunity my guest this week is tommy the bio libya's ambassador to the u.n. in geneva where he joins me how will this new government succeed where all the

others have failed. coming by a welcome to conflict zone thank you thank you for your vote 3 days after your new government of national unity was sworn in there was a shocking reminder of how little unity there is in your country up to 15 bodies were found handcuffed and dumped at a cement factory in the eastern city of benghazi while life remains so cheap and murders enjoy almost total impunity in your country there's not been much to celebrate with this new government is there well that's not necessarily accurate because we don't 1st of all we don't know when this crime took place secondly as you know transition period stings tend to be. take a little time to come to. the more stable environments where you're not suggesting

to me that they're on daily killings and discoveries of mass graves if these killings go on this government will fail like all the others won't it that's the point absolutely and therefore it's extremely important for the international community the united nations and other mechanisms of the international organizations to come together and help of the current government and every way possible better facts here in geneva if you checked into this you would know that we have passed a resolution at the 43rd session of the human rights council calling for a mechanism of accountability on for the military to hold this impunity of crimes committed to the human rights violations committed and so we are seeking the help of the international community the united nations and other various organizations to step in and help us be able to put into unity at a stop when you haven't shown much interest in doing that in the past with previous

governments have you. this was just the latest of many must killings which i was talking about by the dozens of militia groups that fight daily for control of your country and unless your government never mind the international community but unless your government comes to grips with these groups the new government is going to be just as powerless as all the others isn't it well again we have to give the government a chance of us keep in mind that the government has not even been in office for 30 days just yet and to there's a lot of work. ahead there's order of tasks that need to be take care of including security and stability also keeping in mind that the role of the international community is extremely more or a ship that libya has from part time with the international community through the united nations is extremely important for the security and stability in libya and the success of any governments so it is important for the international community to do its part let's not forget that we just came out of

a proxy war. yes i mean you can. turn it over to the international community as much as you like but it's got to be done on the ground and this is a government and it's a weak government and it's going to be very difficult for it to gain control of those armed groups that have been allowed to capture so much of your state over previous years suddenly and it doesn't look from what abdul hamid has said your interim prime minister that he has very much of a strong commitment to either justice or for accountability does it well easy to be judging the government before it even has a chance to be able to do it in terms of it by what it said or what it hasn't set of laws was judged by what has taken place in a few weeks that it has been asked let's look at the efforts that have already been done to fight institutions let's look at the efforts that have been done in.

stabilizing the security situation through the joint military commission which let's it might again they ended a war. just a few months ago we would not be chopping. it's a cease fire and it's a shaky cease vasso it's a bit premature to talk about the end of the war isn't it. it's not a solid cease fire agree it is nonetheless it's there's a cease fire stop hostilities and there is a chance for peace again so let's embark on supporting this chance for peace. we've seen that there are there are 2 major advantages in the government for the armed militia groups firstly he's weak and secondly for the time being he has the keys to the safe so it's in their interest to do business with him but for how long they want to chance to get their hands on money and i see that he's already promised local government

a flurry of construction projects in various regions as long as he continues buying off these groups they'll go along with him if he starts getting tough with them they'll get rid of him whether. well again you know he didn't give you pause these pressures of the prime minister in know what his plans are but let's keep in mind that when we had a concert war countries that were involved supported some of these armed groups and in libya which caused much of the of the destruction in disarray that we had been in number 2 keeping in mind that we had been calling for a d.d.r. program a ceasar program keeping in mind day our lady of the what d.d.r. do you think if we basically taking these young men out of these armed groups militias environments and here and in training into a more constructive and positive elements of society this is going to take a long time business is more short term this is really short term measure this is

only a government that runs for 8 months that's that's not forget that's an interim government doesn't it absolutely so let's not hope that the government's so accountable for resolving everything with a magic wand so we have to me up unless we can hold it accountable for certain things and in particular for the very corruption it should be promising to fight because even before the vote there were documented attempts by the baber supporters to bribe the le gets to support him that's pretty outrageous behavior isn't it well those those are allegations and that's not made by the u.n. they're made by the u.n. so they're not based on nothing of it well the u.n. has the same is the same xxvii the support of the dialogue and support is the coming of the government into ourselves but they didn't support the debate by supporters who were trying to bribe delegates to vote for him did they know in support that that that well again these are allegations as not been proven of any

sort in that nothing has been stated by the u.n. to that effect at the u.n. inquiry said the pm supporters of a bribe says huh. why is $200000.00 to induce people to vote for him u.n. report was quite specific it said at least 3 such bribes were offered although all of them were apparently turned down well again let's as the u.n. about that and why they supported the outcomes of the of the dialogue and in having the if they the government coming to them to ask let's keep in mind again it's a new government it's a very well representative of the entire libya it managed to break the entire country together this is the 1st time that we have one government one of the german recognized internationally and nationally and given the trust aren't a chore which has not been able to do so for previous governments the house of representatives that is correct as represented so we are seeing some positive steps

in the right direction the picture is not rosy we have a lot of work we have a lot of things that we need to address it is not something that's going to happen overnight but we need to build on the positive blocks that we have measured and begin to accomplish so far you say that one of the worst aspects of these bribery allegations is that debate has interim office describe the claims as fake news when they clearly won't fake a tour and that doesn't say much for the levels of honesty or transparency that he says he's going to adhere to does it is his response to these allegations suggest that his government is going to be as dishonest as all the others have been doesn't it well i'll be happy to connect you with his spokesman and he can address these concerns for. mr the baby has reputation is pretty check it isn't it he prospered mightily during the dictatorship of moammar gadhafi he ended up running the libyan

investment and development holding company which itself was rumored to have been involved in corruption and money laundering why should people trust him now especially at this critical time. let's let's let's talk about libya here because you're focusing on allegations that you're not one particular individual who can address these allegations and so are obligations of the company the company in particular the. asadi as a libyan it represented in the united nations let's talk about what positive things are been able to do let's talk about the resolution that was passed there in the rights council count for an ability for her rights violations and the masquerades and the crimes that have been minutes and in libya let's talk about the resolution that has been passed for repatriation and listen funds that are right rightfully own them by the state of libya let's talk about the initiatives that were ordered peace initiative that will support here in geneva the letter to the signing of the

peace agreements and the cease fire in libya there are a lot of positive things that we need to focus on and need to build on the this is the direction the need to go through want to give a chance for the war to have a chance and let's not forget that perspective and this should be the benchmark one libya for is younger country that it is it's come out of it will say she has been an military dictatorship rule for over 4 decades than it had a revolutionary and vicious periods where meddling in foreign countries of the there's a libyan and willing to help her own state captured by the armed militia groups that were against close to power and still are. in power listen you talk about passing resolutions passing resolutions doesn't change the fact that you have indicted war criminals promoted to powerful positions in your country haven't you

and they're still there and there are plenty of examples of them up there abdul ghani i'll keep lee also known as guinea we're now head of a new entity called the stability support or 30 he reports directly to the presidency human rights groups have documented war crimes and serious rights violations by his forces for more than 10 years the european un reported these troops have previously open far on civilians none of that prevented his appointment and is appointment is still in place how is your country can you tell me this how is your country to move forward when these people who are suspected of serious war crimes are in these enormous positions of responsibility. suspect you know i'm not here to be a court to judge on these individuals i'm here to be able to unify the international community's decision of the libya situation and we need to arrest

many issues some of which are ones you measured but we also have to address and that's our international scope the interventions and the interference of other countries into the affairs internal affairs of libya if we were combat as far as i'm concerned my position here geneva that is a major yes we need a we're a lot of friends but this is the problem we need to focus on and we need to work hard to unify the international community. we've talked a little bit about accountability and justice amnesty international described in a report 2 months ago the justice system in libya as dysfunctional and ineffective judges and prosecutors said risk assassination and abduction for doing their jobs isn't it a fact then the virtually every check and balance every restraint on illegal power and criminal activity has now been removed in libya hasn't it how do you put all

that back together again. well it's a process it's a complicated process enterprise of our org recognize that we do know we have problems we do know with that we have major issues that we need to deal with but we need to help with that internship do that and how do we do that we do that by stopping vention and meddling into the internal affairs of we stop the the computer it's a violation. of security council resolutions or the violations of arms embargo by many states some of these sanctions are talking about. we do that by helping control the borders of libya and there has been calling for for a long time the support of common to share orders with our neighbors as well and. our partners the european partners to come in and help with you to do that through the you ben agreements we need we need to activate owens thinks we can it's

a domino effect issue movements that mr by this government is only designed to last until december the 24th that's the date when libyans are supposed to freely elect the next administration that's only 8 months away what chance does this week government have of organizing those free elections with the massive human rights abuses that are taking place in your country day after day well that is threats and hate and they recognize that and they recognize what their agenda is but it's a process it's building process it's a process we have to start somewhere we cannot say a realistic process or just didn't you know you have the u.n. special envoy for libya young telling the security council last month that his office continues to document a horrific catalogue of brutality in your country killings inforce disappearances sexual violence including rape attacks against activists and human rights defenders and hate crimes the international responsibility international community is

responsible for that. the meddling that you've talked about isn't responsible for that that's coming from people your own people inside your own country isn't it you think that sets the right conditions for a free and fair election in libya in just under 8 months term but again it's a building process we have to take measures steps in going forward in the right direction positive direction all these issues must be addressed the international community does have a role in this matter of fact as i stated earlier the international community and some of the countries that have metal into the eternal there's a baby or primary cause for some of these things are you talking about we need to be able to make a stop to that make sure that we give looking at chance to address its concerns its problems but we do know that we don't have is this going to take how long how long do you want to chance for well you are have you have a government of national court before that didn't do it it was

a government of appeasement you know if it prioritized. paying off the groups in appeasing the armed groups over justice that is this government going to make the same mistake the last one did let's let's be there and let's get down it's not in their hands rather than what you just said should be said about our countries will be paying off our troops in libya who are causing much of these problems in talking about. we need to be able to address the issues as they are so let's let's let's control the situation where the libyans can handle the process internally and then we can judge and hold accountable the government and what it can do and cannot do well i want to match the situation in the country to the prime minister's rhetoric if that's indeed possible the new prime minister is on record for instance

as a he wants to spread a culture of freedom of opinion and expression how exactly will he do that when journalists have to work in constant fear in your country the rights group reporters without borders says for instance that the toll of abuses against journalists and media outlets by armed groups associated with successive libyan government has grown steadily we're talking murder we're talking about action we're talking torture here you're focusing on the crimes that we recognize of crimes and we do understand that there are there to fight the bigger ones then there are pretty important ones are but because of course they're part of that's why that is going through a transition that's why we need to get out of this violence violence aids and be able to get into the restoration of a country institutions be able to set into a civilian democratic state and be able to give the human rights to the libyan people keeping in mind again if that is the benchmark the established really out of

the conversation then this is a new culture that we have to go into that we are not so well experienced about we do need the help to be able to accomplish that and the will is there the the the goals and the objectives have been sat since september 17th 2011 and wanting to is to set up a democratic state that is based on freedoms that's based on justice that's based on the ability to prosper and do well and the current president says that those are great words but how do you get there how do you get there. and you have these enormous roadblocks in your path and you get there you know it without a free press you don't have a basis for the moxy you don't have a free press there's no law in libya guaranteeing the public's right about access to information is that what was the chances they'll ever be one in libya where you know once again there are more t.v. stations in the view today than there ever were before you know what. the people

are talking about wanting to sarah freedom of speech in libya not only that there is more freedom of speech today in libya that ever was in the history of libya. there's not really not we do need passes that reporters without borders says libya has reached it's a lowest ever position in the groups world press in that once 164 out of 180 countries that's worse than during the gadhafi era that's a huge step backwards isn't it. well again i don't know what if mission they're basing their their their reports on but we do do we do need to recognize that there's more of a chance to be able to set up a civil state set up on democratic values on freedoms and justice today than we ever had a possibility to be able to do so in the past history of libya and we need to be able to capitalize on that we need to be able to support that we need to be able to work on that and we recognize that the order is fall but there is the will and

there is a commitment to want to go down this path and we need to get the commitments by our libyans and others the international community fluted to support that effort even before libyans get to the december elections this government is committed to holding a referendum on a new constitution. again how you doing form the public without a free press is is up to you but what if you miss the deadlines what if you miss the deadline for this new constitution and the new elections it's pretty tight isn't it see stuck around ravel if you don't get that. it is it is very tight and you know the possibility of missing the deadline just as possible as a matter of fact she kind of nations has but has missed many deadlines in the past in the process of coming to this point so we do need to work the commitment again is there the will is there and the efforts are underway keeping in mind the process

has already been. established with some other that lives there's the july 1st that month to agreements on a constitutional basis to passing a legislation to ensure the elections law and the preparations for the high and thorough commission to do its work to allow for the 24th of december elections but there is also another very important deadline there's a deadline that we have already passed the international community has passed the united nations has passed the exit of off foreign fighters and mercenaries out of libya. that has yet to happen that is an extremely important because stability and security again to your point is extremely important to be able to do these elections in a stable and secure environment. by we've heard a lot of ground rhetoric from the prime minister about libyans being one unit one heart but heart hasn't been much in evidence these last few years has

a look at the shocking way migrants have been treated in your country in the last 2 months hundreds of them have been intercepted trying to flee libya in small boats and head for europe do you know why they're so desperate to leave libya and you know what happens to them when they're brought back to libya these migrants many of them do you know that yes i do as a matter of fact some but let me correct you what you're saying is not accurate are number one these migrants when they left their towns and their villages from the various countries in africa they set their mind and going to the northern shores of the mediterranean they were not coming to libya libya's a transit country everybody knows that save reports they refer to the u.n. reports everybody knows that but also you have seen and they actually in libya they continue to be systematically subject to arbitrary detention and torture in both official and unofficial places of detention you proud of that no not proud we do

have problems and the libyan government has recognized and continues to recognize the violations of the problems that we have with my kids have been government has been associated with these violations has been directly associated with these violations. let me to let me just finish this point it's extremely important what you're referring to the constitutes a crimes or alleged crimes on a population of about 4000 migrants in detention centers or what's called a gathering and people and departure facilities it's india human if you have human what treatment it's crop barassi is the. it's inhuman treatment we're talking about sexual violence abduction for ransom extortion forced labor unlawful killing it doesn't matter whether it's 4000 or 4000000 why why are you what does it say about your people that you are treating migrants in this way that is not correct to

your formation is not fully accurate reporting half of that if the mission that has been out there let me also repeat to you as i was stating the the a legit crimes you're talking about which the libyan government has been dealing with and continues to work with and deal with with the various u.n. or it is a chanst is concerning some of the solutions where there's no more than or $5000.00 of the most migrants that happened to be in these facilities because they're supposed to and the u.n. are is ations also know that these are migrants that are supposed to be lifted into another country the rest of it of the migrants that we have and we have about a 1000000 in libya live freely and safely among all libyans throughout libya all right. tommy by the way run out of time thank you thank you for making my point thank you very much for talking.

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