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tv   Frag den Lesch  Deutsche Welle  April 23, 2021 1:45am-2:01am CEST

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common to share or it's with our neighbors as well and the be our partners the european partners to come in and help them to do that through the you ben agreements we need we need to activate our arms things we can it's a domino effect issue a multiplier a business that mr by this government is only designed to last until december the 24th that's the date when libyans are supposed to freely elect the next administration that's only 8 months away what chance does this week the government have of organizing those free elections with the massive human rights abuses that are taking place in your country day after day that there are threats and late that they recognize that and they recognize what their gender is but it's a process it's building process it's a process we have to start somewhere we can see a realistic process or it isn't you know you have the u.n. special envoy for libya young qubit telling the security council last month that his office continues to document a horrific catalogue of brutality in your country killings inforce disappearances
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sexual violence including rape attacks against activists and human rights defenders and hate crimes the international responsibility international community isn't responsible for that the meddling that you've talked about isn't responsible for that that's coming from people your own people inside your own country isn't it you think that sets the right conditions for a free and fair election in libya in just under 8 months time. but again it's a building process you have to take major steps going forward in the right direction positive direction all these issues must be addressed the international does have a role in this matter of fact as i stated earlier there are national security and some of the countries that have metal into the internal affairs of men or are the primary cause for some of these things that you're talking about we need to be able to make a stop to that make sure that we give looking at chance to address. just problems
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but we do know that we do have if it's going to take how long how long do you want to chance for well you you have you have a government of national court before that didn't do it it was a government of appeasement you know it prioritized. paying off the groups and appeasing the armed groups over justice is this government going to make the same mistake the last one did the last let's be there and let's be bounced back in that sense. that what you just. could be said about our countries would be paying off our groups a little who are causing much response to you talking about. we need to be able to address the issues as they are so let's let's let's control the situation where leaders can handle the ringback process internally and then we can judge and hold accountable the government and what it can do and cannot do well i want to match
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the situation in the country to the prime minister's rhetoric if that's indeed possible the new prime minister is on record francis as a he wants to spread a culture of freedom of opinion and expression how exactly will he do that when journalists have to work in constant fear in your country the rights group reporters without borders says for instance that the toll of abuses against journalists and media outlets by armed groups associated with successive libyan government has grown steadily we're talking murder we're talking about action we're talking torture here you're keep focusing on the crimes that we recognise of crimes and we do understand that there are there to fight them the bigger ones then they're pretty important ones aren't that good of course they're part of that's why that is going through a transition that's why we need to get out of this 'd violence violence aids and be able to get into the restoration of the country institutions be able to set into a civilian democratic state and be able to give the human rights to the libyan
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people keeping in mind again if it is the benchmark the established early on of the conversation then this is a new culture that we have to go into that we are not so well experienced about we do need the help to be able to accomplish that and the will is there the the the goals and the objectives have been sat since september 17th 2011 and wanting to is to just set up a democratic state that is based on freedoms that's based on justice that's based on the ability to prosper and do well and the current problems knows that there's a great words but how do you get there how do you get there. and you have these enormous roadblocks in your path how do you get there you know it without a free press you don't have a basis for democracy you don't have a free press there's no law in libya guaranteeing the public's right of access to information is that what one of the chances they'll ever be one in libya where you
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know once again there are more t.v. stations in the view today than there ever were before you know what. the people are talking about wanting to sell freedom of speech in libya not only that there is more freedom of speech today in libya that ever was in the history of libya. there's not really much we do need a process that reporters without borders says libya has reached it's a lowest ever position in the groups world press in that once 164 out of 180 countries that's worse than during the gadhafi era that's a huge step backwards isn't it. well again i don't know what if mission they're basing their their their reports on but we do do we do need to recognize that there is more of a chance to be able to set up a civil state set up on democratic values on freedoms and justice today than we
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ever had a possibility to be able to do so in the past history of libya and we need to be able to capitalize on that we need to be able to support that we need to be able to work on that and we recognize that the order is fall but there is the will and there is a commitment to want to vote down this path and we need to get the commitments by our libyans and others the international community including to support that effort even before libyans get to the december elections this government is committed to holding a referendum on a new constitution. again how you doing form the public without a free press is up to you but what if you miss the deadlines what if you miss the deadline for this new constitution and the new elections it's pretty tight isn't it see stuck around gravel if you don't get there. it is it is very tight and it's are you know the possibility missing that that line this is possible as a matter of fact she kind of nations has but has missed many that one is in the
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past in the process of coming to this point so we do need to work the commitment again is there the will is there and the efforts are underway keeping in mind the process has already been. established with some other that last there's the july 1st deadline to agreements on a constitutional basis to passing a legislation to ensure the elections law and the preparations for the high and draw commission to do its work to allow for the 24th of december elections but there is also another very important deadline there's a deadline that we have already passed the international community has passed the united nations has passed the exit of off foreign fighters and mercenaries out of libya. that has yet to happen that is an extremely important because stability and security again to your point is a student important to be able to do these elections in a stable and secure environment was by we've heard
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a lot of ground rhetoric from the prime minister about libyans being one unit one heart that heart hasn't been much in evidence these last few years has a look at the shocking way migrants have been treated in your country in the last 2 months hundreds of them have been intercepted trying to flee libya in small boats and head for europe do you know why they're so desperate to leave libya and you know what happens to them when they're brought back to libya these migrants many of them do you know that yes i do as a matter of fact i'm but let me correct you what you're saying is not accurate are number one these migrants when they left their towns and their villages from the various countries in africa they set their mind and going to the northern shores of the mediterranean they were not coming to libya libya's a transit country everybody knows that similar ports they referred to the u.n. reports everybody knows that but also you have seen and yet in libya they continue
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to be systematically subject to arbitrary detention and torture in both official and unofficial places of detention are you proud of that no not proud we do have problems and the libyan government has recognized and continues to recognize the violations the problems that we have with mike the libyan government has been associated with these violations has been directly associated with these violations . let me let me just finish this point it's extremely important what you're referring to the constitutes a crimes or alleged crimes on a population of about 4000 migrants in detention centers or what's called a gathering and people and departure facilities it's in the human if you as human one treatment it's probably better 3 is the. it's inhuman treatment we're talking about sexual violence abduction for ransom extortion forced labor unlawful killing
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it doesn't matter whether it's 4000 go 4000000 why why are you what does it say about your people that you are treating migrants in this way that is not correct to your formation is not fully accurate reporting half of that if the mission that has been out there let me also repeat to you as i was stating the the a legit crimes you're talking about which the libyan government has been dealing with and continues to work with and deal with with the various u.n. or it is a chanst is concerning some of the solutions where there's no more than or $5000.00 at the most migrants that happened to be in these facilities because they're supposed to and the u.n. organizations also know that these are migrants they're supposed to be limited to another country the rest of that of the migrants that we have and we have about a 1000000 in libya live freely and safely among all libyans throughout libya all
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right. i mean by we've run out of time thank you thank you for making my point thank you very much for your time.
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