comparatively peaceful. king was one of the most skilled political actors that i've had the chance to study he tirelessly sought to preserve his own autonomy within the very difficult political situation that was presented by the colonial era. the palace administrator a staff member close to the sultan is involved in preserving the cultural heritage of the book. the mental game it is missing here in the throne room is a thorny issue. question we keep us use every day that goes by we are obliged to talk about this throne yet if the tourists who come here are constantly asking school what is the throne of the kings of bar moom doing in berlin fish be ever.

like you some people are saying those germans stole her throne for you tom. yeah these are some beliefs it wasn't a gift. or if it was it was a forced gift for 3. a and how can you answer this question security. you know there is no official answer will he seal. that diplomatic response reveals how troublesome the issue still is. in from bonn we get a sense of how objects from the colonial context could stand side by side with living social spiritual and artistic traditions and their place of origin. it's an

environment that western museums could hardly provide. while. on the tour used my house is a studio on the t.v. while we have one off because the sat is very big we sit here and it says about your prawn. harvest and dhamma embroidered the new royal throne for the palace and the fed you saw he also works as a restore for the palace museum or fly. in 2017 workers here packed up their collection to move it into the new royal museum. it's spectacular architecture is dominated by symbolism from the moon's royal crest a 2 headed snake wrapped around an earth spider. just like in berlin's ethnological museum staff here in from bonn also had to

consider how to deal with the colonial past. sits in the good news of the moon this hall is completely dedicated to king enjoying. this walk in the time of his reign is often compared with louis the 14th and france the you which presume he oversaw a cultural explosion. a blossoming of creativity and also a synthesis between the christian western world and the world of bomb don't. see that example and that's why in your culture we view king enjoy as a genius and she. was what are your expectations for the relationship between germany and the kingdom of by moon today and in the future it will have a new. testament for the suggestion thank you very much for asking that

question to tears it probably we consider that a woman enters a marriage with germany back then in because it was expedient to do so book so you know how should i describe the relationship today 0 divorce. in the settlement but hopefully not the whole frame oh yeah we're really hoping for a revival of our relations through greater cultural cooperation us home. the germans will understand the mutual benefits involved in helping us to preserve our cultural heritage i do not but you my child returns your suit to the throne that is in berlin is an ambassador for rich culture richer. one of the things i took away from our discussions and from bond was the clear

wish for germany to live up to its historical promise of friendship and i think one of the things we can do is make that expectation clearer to the german public and to make that expectation clearer to german politicians. it's time to engage more deeply in this cultural dialogue. several years have now passed since our visit to form bonn what should this dialogue look like. have been to it in the current grew up 100 kilometers from form bonn and has heard about the throne since he was a child. the cultural ambassador of gen ne to the us doesn't belong to the us it belongs to germany right then we should apply if we want to use the analogy of the cultural ambassador in the throne should belong to the people of right so. i'm all for cultural ambassadors so let me say also

a very important work from it's you know. you put it in the resume it is fine but you do that it is a one way street so if you want to look at shared heritage let shit everybody and not just some peoples and others not what should happen to the phone in the future for me is very much an open question because like many of the things in the. we now have this past we've looked into where we are looking into it and as we know more about it we may want to make different decisions about what should happen to the objects for the future should they go back they stand germany and that's a decision that i think can only be taken. in consultation and dialogue with our colleagues and camera perhaps they should go back but even if they do i feel like the story you're telling us to still be told here giving an object doesn't

mean that history goes away. the history of a collection is intrinsically linked with the exhibits themselves and that history does need to be told in the humbled forum while preparing the move to the forum jonathan fine joined conservators from the museum to inspect some of the collections most controversial exhibits that the name brands of. these masterpieces from the former kingdom of the nina in what is now nigeria were looted by british forces in 1907 the artifacts were later sold on the art market. these brands and ivory sculptures have become an acid test of whether the humbled forum is genuinely prepared to take a new approach and enter a dialogue with former colonies as equals for decades nigeria has called for the return of these treasures only now in 2021 are things beginning to happen how does

the process of restitution work and why are museums so reluctant to proceed with it . just for fun better competition as a rule the 1st and most important step in returning artworks is making recommendations as to what we want to give back that has to be decided by the board of the prussian cultural heritage foundation is used to that's not something that the president or the museum director can design and another important question that needs to be clarified is who the rightful recipient it is at the stade or a national museum system is it a local community and that's quite complicated for but just to be clear we will be returning benny and bronzes consequently all sorted b.p. out and begin production sort of. part of the bin in works will be returned but part is to remain on display at the humboldt forum so how can these tainted exhibits be displayed appropriately. this is where this multimedia program which is

really a multi screen film right will be presented and all the voices from europe and africa including the oberoi. and scholars from africa will talk about the provenance of the burning bronzes the idea is. using very simple questions to get people to open up and talk openly what are the benny and bronzes. what do they mean to you. what should happen to them in the future and then to really hear what people have to say about that topic this concept of really exhibiting the discussion of provenance and the work of the bringing dialogue group was already there when i started 10 years ago and that's been really the central theme of this entire room of the exhibit what is the future what should happen to these objects that's an openness that that i really treasure about this process.

cultural institutions find themselves battling to remain relevant in their societies. confronting a difficult colonial past poses not only a challenge but also a huge opportunity for museums to take the lead in shaping an important public debate. will the humboldt forum successfully rise to the challenge. i think it would be a success if we take the idea of a forum at its word and think of the humble form not as a place that will give us answers to the questions but will enable us to pose questions only. in that way i think can we come to an understanding and find answers for ourselves about what 500 years of european colonization has meant for the world we live in.

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