the world can't go to school. we ask why. because education makes the world more just. make up your own body. double you make for mines. the world is in flux and china's rule is increasingly important but in our khurana world order getting reliable information from inside the country is difficult and. got a lot of lot that were wrong ask me. what exactly is happening in china and how should we deal with the country's growing influence and we put these questions to acclaimed artist and activist i way way once a prisoner in china and now living in exile. and all fear so many human rights

lawyers disappearing every months i read here where ozzy. that's west's really should ask. the battle for china's future role in the world that is currently being fought in hong kong my thousands of young people. joined his group as titan tears since the beginning of the pandemic and there's no sign of them changing so is china open to a dialogue. if there's anyone who knows how to deal with china and what's at stake in hong kong it's chinese artist ai wei wei. his critical artwork often got him in trouble with the chinese authorities and after a period of detainment he eventually left the country in 2015.

i think i. can go back but i don't know how one can come out. my way documents everything and shares his wife and work with more than half a 1000000 followers on instagram we arranged a corona safe meeting with him in cambridge england and asked him how we should interpret the information we are getting from china. the entire now where often information is not very clear. not only to the west but that to their own citizens to train these people the internet is censored and state propaganda machine is purely. tells the parties in. honor. of how do you think china has handled the outbreak.

after the beginning and there they have agreed has said taking. control of the information is in the very center. task for the party so they don't see the information objective but to read their users who are to benefit the party . i am way way has been making confrontational artwork and documentary films for almost 40 years that's up to it. connects to. highway studio in beijing was a free zone in the city for many years but in 2011 he was arrested and imprisoned for 81 days since the corona virus outbreak he has been analyzing the information from wolf on the city where the doctors who 1st reported the danger of the new virus were silenced the dea late last fall clear record because they stopped the

doctors for tom bodett the they questioned them. in the police station asking them to. make the agreement not to talk about this and you more soledad period of time. sees. a big advantage to spirit i'm sure it's not their intention i'm sure they miscalculate to the situation i'm sure they don't think of the rugrats. you know great deal what happened is heard in the whole world also argue that the plea. but you know communist party there will never and meet this kind of mistake you know never. there are people. he meets this kind of mistake. so the information we receive from

china's official channels is limited and often to be taken with a grain or 2 of song in who hunt however a small group of citizen journalists have gone in search of the troops. they share facts figures and images with the world via social media. which i told him that. you can you should. you go through what are the should. come from each has since it. was out in the drawer. have you followed this it's the same in journalism reporting from yes there are a few guys that did the reporting. a small group of citizen journalists became active in the early days of the pandemic in ruhani sense once again the government was releasing so little information they

took matters into their own hands and at their peril went looking for the facts. that the. idea. among them was the young lawyer.

now people start pointing fingers but almost no government in the world completely have the transparency. if you see what happened to.

snowden. you can see you as well these are the same. you know but different level. because in the west you have journalism you have for different parties you know for freedom of speech so it's march difficult and costly for western government to make a life but that doesn't mean they don't want to make up why all the power want to make. but the whole was a phone being in this. was you for. the whole. song to survive it's also the risk that you. know we're. human beings but that we have no rights and i'll never. never have a chance to speak out but our self sits there anyway. there was only he was. always

up so that he. knew she. wouldn't be far simpler he was a businessman. he those people are already in our e.p. poll so you're not on tech columnist they're not trying to supper are so full of state power. made concerned about the fact and they want to tell the truth. to just live you through the base of the. world in which you've all been on the phone with. them but also. to show you

the. full moon when she. says you can become your bridge. the. greatest living man some of my design. wins you know he was your mother the one. you saw. rule was a part of the most. good you were the what. those of you then you mean. i don't mean that you. know when i was on top. of.

being put in jail and disappear nobody know where they are i'm. it's a very very. strange one the west demand the information and now we see we are very transparent you know all the information but don't tell where were they put those individuals. you know there are so many human rights lawyers disappearing every month so every year where as if. that's where some really should not ask. the nobody asked the ticket person or no more situation. that is bad because that has send a clear signal to try. the understand of the west doesn't really care. so long as those those activists are still present.

there's no independent judicial system the can arrest anybody who can make anybody disappear make me disappear and disappear 81 days it's no lawyer my family doesn't know where i don't know where i was being put in of black holes and driving the wrong and you know very secret location a military base. what struck me is that you were trying to get even in detainment how do you see that i'm crazy guy in dialogue i love dialogue i love conversation as long as there is a response i i think. i'm dealing with a human being who military goes. lights up like this and sitting up to see like this and the report to them if i want to go to

a pastoral or wash man's you know ira step every more so it's good training for me. to say the word we're sorry to tell you where you gold your sound never recognizing you. that is at his home where hard to hear you know because she was. yes for. i i make me feel very sorry. when all. they don't believe a watch is they're saying they're doing their job. you know i feel pity oppose them you know why they have to do that. do you think of your father yes that's the woman does. she was in jail

for years and then he acts out for 20 years. i grew up with him and the whole thing you functioned that helps me a lot. in sr. yeah same exact same province now they put a we were a c. . and s. over dickless. he tried to commit suicide several times. 0 but he still has a tough man he has been gone through all those small stupid cause situation lot where you insult physical punishment and holy you saute but he's some part i around him very much. to go while i was in the air force and that was a double as i'm sure i. would offer somebody other look at what i'm there going to

. do you know wasn't a very good knowledge of them how are you going to sit here for years i don't know was there that was. bullshit i got a lot of you know none of that. the way you know your body you are. similar to. the citizen journalists in china have received little support from the west so far 'd. and. if you ask the american citizens probably 80 percent are very such as far there is a calmness a party. because they are the number no another condition the whole life is about watch it's very successful. and the so people doesn't really care as

much so the words truths never be mentioned they're watching the central television which is for god i read the. and very successfully. the mind set the whole nation so that is really dangerous because you have 41400000000 people which i mean informed. but what percentage just. follow this set center in history or you see interest 0 percent 0 percent yeah 0 because the. internet has been very well controlled strongest certainly in states. not only country from asian the big. countries. your

fish. image fingerprint your blood type your. habit what do your by and the who you talk to and. where you are asked and the whole see your health condition and all this completely stays hence and. that gives such advantage for the men 10 so called the stability. there if you can prove those technologies and information control. are we facing their future of complete survey it's all you know that's for sure not future where you preserve it compute. civilians.

chinese people don't seem to worry so much about privacy. they're not a worry to 1st. time never really had their. private property is a common society and once you have no private property you don't have privacy you know you used to believe. ever since belong to the nation even your body your mind. and the how for 18 milling communist about brits 80 meeting this biggest. dark society in the world. one the get into the party they have to receive their red heads and the to repeat

this 3 sentence to be loyal to the party willing to sacrifice our recent include life of the 2 protectors secret from the party. what a kind of party it's a secret. but that's china. can anyone become a member yes if you if you accept. this proves. the example you are that you know your trust to for us to be reliable you can't keep a secret. you will never read for your those troops there you can become one once you become a member you are privileged because your trust that you are part of this mafia family.

since the last virus outbreak sars in 2003 china has changed quite a bit thinks i way way the west still seemed very far away then where is now western economies are much more dependent on china. now. they are known and i've become saul. become so important in pass the time these 30 years. their. speed of development. almost. become number 2 or number one nation u.k. even imagine. and can see every developed nation such as europe or your us are deeply involved under depend on the economy of attack and. i think the west. for their own

advantage. from their all profit. they lead to their you know not to questioning the legitimacy of the so called a common values being practiced in their society so human rights commission and the many many are looked upon your friends as being neglected by the west this think as fine as long as we have a good deal you know there's a lot of profit. huge profit. the west dealing with because you never imagine such a big labor market and. deeply want to work in our body want to work here and they work very fission to be. good or crude there are you know. they don't have protections on snow you mean

no. no all no workers' rights no all no or hell seashores snobs here know you are a mental control so all the sense of the west cannot develop or doesn't want to develop because there's such little profit there were low turnout to do it and try and they didn't murder well state capitalism marsh her. in the market for capitalism so they can design 5 she can design something which still have no market yet. now i think the west facing huge problems. is in the. but the same time doesn't play the same or same value or same rules. they don't have 4 clear ideology other principles no ideology at all

it's a set of less reach that's not ideology. so what to do. i think. this continuously be a problem between the west and the china. i think it's not fair competition so if you are not clearly. the competition. the west or be in the. business of one type offered by a lot. but i think. western doesn't do that well there is no european union is just totally broke and.

interests and there you see how deeply germany are something to. cheer main industry have clearly announced their future depends on time. and as a nation so of course they follow us england france and other nations. are a nation in europe. for a. partial you could work for their principles destroy the. crowd. the the profit i i think confrontation also is kind of bad luck. and. sometimes you can have a peaceful dialogue but the sometimes you need. i

make you feel i'm bothered by the op arriving as being whole we're almost a year now. the situation is that spirit of the young people their naive innocent they believe nick the they will not loose the ground of our freedom and they fight really fight to defend those same time was on the other side does central government garment they don't give a damn you know they don't care there was some reason i need to make. me come calling become a stable. soul continues to be. brutal police forces. and they arrest those because.

you know it's very hard to fight face a state because they're professionally hired to do their job and those young people have to do it after. school after. working ours as their song united they have a clear mission and a very impressive very brief brief intelligent determined. but that and could be very sad.

but they seem somehow to believe that they can make it different. they are making some difference because. this whole generation become more clear about who they are the enemy is on the whole whole impossible and i think of those thought deeply rooted in another nigeria so much. on the on the battle it's now homework. load. that's a good if we all. are in to help a lot of us that's

a sense off freedom of speech. free type of voice. and it can be small noise but it has to be easier. being to us come from. you it was a cold in this house been good for years and bolted but you know this is the future . old school is trying to mold it is still good you try to be the till she's with the leader but bull shit up she allowed him to teach about you should it. be a. little. close .

up ali. what people have to say matters to us. that's why i listen to their stories. reporter every weekend on t w. and you hear me now oh yes we're going to do to you and how the last 2 years gentlemen sonnets now bring you what i'm going to mask off and you never have a surprise to sell but it was just a simple police matter called really what and moves back and want. to talk to people who followed her along the way maurice and critics might join us from echols last stocks.

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