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tv   Close up  Deutsche Welle  May 11, 2021 8:30am-9:00am CEST

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instead as 1st girl who could ever know for sure that it was as. a model in support. of all. the debris of what. the world is in flux and china's rule is increasingly important but in our corona world order getting reliable information from inside the country is difficult and. god it was that we thought that. what exactly is happening in china and how should we deal with the country's growing influence we put these questions to acclaimed artist and activist i went away once a prisoner in china and now living in exile. and all fear so many human rights
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lawyers disappearing every months every year where ozzy. that's wes really should ask. the battle for china's future role in a world that is currently being fought in hong kong by thousands of young people. join his grip as titan tears into the beginning of the pandemic and there's no sign of that changing so is china open to a dialogue. if there's anyone who knows how to deal with china and what's at stake in hong kong its chinese artist ai wei wei. his critical artwork often got him in trouble with the chinese authorities and after a period of detainment when he eventually left the country in 2015 ok well work.
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i think i. can go back but i don't know i want america to come out. my way documents everything and shares his life and work with more than half a 1000000 followers on instagram we arranged a corona safe meeting with him in cambridge england and asked him how we should interpret the information we are getting from china. the entire now where often information is not america clear. and not only west but that to their own citizens to trans people internet is censored and state propaganda machine is is purely. tells part he is lying. am i how do you think thailand has handled the outbreak.
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after the beginning there they have agreed has said. kontrol information is in the very essential task for the party so they don't see the information objective but the right there is or you are or benefit the party. i am way way has been making confrontational artwork and documentary films for almost 40 years as a place. in mexico. highway studio in beijing was a free zone in the city for many years but in 2011 he was arrested and imprisoned for 81 days since the corona virus outbreak he has been analyzing the information from move on the city where the doctors who 1st reported the danger of the new virus were silenced they delayed us for clear record because they stopped the
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doctors to tom bodett the they questioned them. in the police station asked them to confound and made of criminals not to talk about this and you're more sol dot period of time. sees. a big advantage to spirit. i'm sure it's not their intention i'm sure they miscalculate of the situation i'm sure they don't think of the rugrats. you know great deal what happened is the whole world also heard was that the peak but you know communist party they were number and meet this guy and. mystic you know never. there are people. he meets this kind of mistake. so the information we receive from
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china's official channels is limited and often to be taken with a grain or 2 of song in who hung however a small group of citizen journalists have gone in search of the truth. they share facts figures and images with the world via social media. was at its origins a continually mejor how you should. be looked through to what are the. sure that would. have you followed this if the saying security analysts are reporting from while yes there are a few. they did the reporting. a small group of citizen journalists became active in the early days of the pandemic and were hung since once again the government was releasing so little information
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they took matters into their own hands and at their peril went looking for the facts. that the. among them was the young lawyer chance you. will need to. push it.
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on the air. for. you. to do. now people start at point fingers but almost no government in the world completely have the transparency. if you see what happened to.
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snowden chelsea man you can see us will be the same. but different level. because in the west journalism you have for different parties for freedom of speech so it's march difficult and costly for western government to make a life but that doesn't mean they don't want to make. all the power want to make. the whole was a falling. further and was as you've. said of all. those who goes on the song who survives also that it is that you. know we're. human beings but that we have no rice you know never. never have a chance to speak out but our self sits there anyway. with anyone.
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you know with all of. the ways of so that. she. being for example he was a businessman. those people are already married people they are not and take columnist they're not trying to. stay power or the will make. the fact and they want to tell the truth. to reach. to your solution to the. world i wish you all be the reform. to show that you're good. she. says
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of the bridge. with. you was your mother don't want to. use. your while you go to heaven when you go those why do you want to. rule all of the most of. those if you don't you mean. it doesn't mean that. you will. no one is on top. of you.
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being put in jail and disappear nobody knows where they are i'm. it's a very very. strange. demand the information they've had now we'll see we have very transparent you know all the information but don't tell where were they put. individuals. you know there are so many human rights lawyers disappear in every months every year where as if. that's where some really should not ask. the nobody asked the ticket person letter no more situation. that is bad because that has send a clear signal to try. to understand that the west doesn't really care. so long as those those activists are still missing.
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there's no independent judicial system the can a rest anybody can make anybody disappear make me disappear and disappear 81 days snow lawyer my family doesn't know where i don't know where i was being put he knew of black holes and driving the wrong and you know very secret location a military base. what struck me is that you were trying to dialogue even in detainment how do you see that i'm crazy guy in dialogue i love the. conversation. was serious the response i i think. i'm dealing with human beings who military guys. lights up like this and they're sitting up to see like this and the report to them
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if i want to go to pastoral or wash my hands you know ira step every more so it's good training for me. to say the word we're. sorry to tell you why you gold he was sound and never recognized you. and that is at his home where hard to hear you know because she was. yes for. i i make me feel very sorry. i know. they don't believe a watch and they're saying they're doing their job. you know i feel pretty positive you know why they have to do that. do you think of your father yes laughs no mormon does some cop out when he was in jail
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for years and then he acts out for 20 years. i grew up with him and the whole he lived function and that helps me a lot. in sr. yeah same exact same province now and they put that we were seeing these kinds of ridiculous. he tried to commit suicide several times. but he still has the tough man he has been going through all of those small stiff recall situation lot where you insult physical punishment and holy you insult him but he's some 5 ft i around him very much. to go while he was in the air force and that was a little. ego would also be somebody other look at what i'm going to be going
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through the back side of. you know wasn't a very good knowledge about how you're going to show you what's yours i don't know where the wind. blows or got a lot of you know none of that. you know as your body was. similar to. the citizen journalists in china have received little support from the west so far . 'd if you ask the american citizens. 80 percent are very satisfied there was the communist party. because they are the number no one has a condition the whole life is about watch it's very successful. and there's so people doesn't really care as much so the words truths never be
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mentioned they're watching the. central television which is for god and i read day. and then very successfully. when you could. mine the set the whole nation so that is really dangerous because you have 41400000000 people which i mean informed. but what percentage of them follows this said center in history or its interests in europe percent 0 percent or below 0 because the. internet has been very well controlled strongest so early and states created. not only countries the formation the big. country. your
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fish. image fingerprint your blood type your your. what do you buy and the who you talk to and where you are asked and how see your health condition and all of this are completely in states hands and. that gives such advantage for them to man 10 so called their stability. each day they're improving those technologies. information control and our lives they. are we facing a future of complete surveillance oh yeah that's for sure not future where even the prison computer surveillance.
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the chinese people don't seem to worry so much about privacy no on there not a worry to 1st. china never really had their. private property is a communist society and so all at once you have no private property you don't have privacy. you know you you used to believe. ever seem to belong to the nation even your your body your mind. and now how for a team meeting communist about bruce 80 meeting this biggest. dark side here in the world. some couples are. wondering get into the party they have to receive a red head and the to repeat this series sentence to be loyal to the
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party willing to sacrifice our recent include life of the 2 protectors secret from the parking. lot of the party it's a secret. but that's china. can anyone become a member yes if you if you accept. this through. the air. example you'll never get your trust or for a reliable you can't keep a secret you will never if you are those troops there you can become one once you become a member you are privileged because your people trust that you're part of this mafia family. since the last virus outbreak sars in 2003 china has changed quite
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a bit thinks i way way the west still seemed very far away then where is now western economies are much more dependent on china. and not become less all. become so important in past the time these 30 years. their speed of development. almost become the number 2 or number one nation u.k. even imagine. and can see every developed nation such as europe or us are deeply involved under the pen on the economy over to and. i think the west. for their own
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advantage. for the all profit they lead to happen to questioning the legitimacy of the so called a common values being practiced in their society saw human rights commission and the many many are looked. as being neglected by the west. as fine as long as we have a good deal you know there's a lot of profit huge profit. in the west dealing with china because you never imagine such a big labor market. or do people want to work in our body want to work and they work very fish and they're good work there are you know . they don't have protections snow you mean.
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the whole no workers' rights no all no or hell seashores snobs here know you are a mental control so all of that says the west cannot develop or doesn't want to develop because there's such little profit there were low turnout to do it and try and they did of murder while state capitalism marsh part of the. market for capitalism so they can design 5 she did and design something which still have no market yet. now i think the west facing huge problems. in the. but does seem time doesn't play the same or same value or same groups. they don't have 4 clear ideology or the principles no ideology at all it's
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a set of less reach that's not ideology. so what to do. i think. this continuously be a problem between the west and the trainer. i think it's not fair competition so you feel you are not clearly. the competition. in the. business to some one type offered by a mom. but i think. weston doesn't do that well there is no all european union is just totally broke and active.
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interests and there you see how deeply germany here are some came to try. to remain does tree have clearly announced their future depends on time. and as a nation so of course they follow us in lead france and other nations. are a nation in europe. of part of what for their principles just tried to. grab. the that the profit i i think come from also its kind of dialogue. and. sometimes you can have a piece for dialogue but the sometimes you need. make
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you feel about the holocaust by the op arriving as being whole were almost a year now. the situation is that spirit of the young people their naive innocent they believe the they will not loose the ground for freedom they fight really fight to defend those when it was the same time was on the other side as central government and hong kong garment they don't give a damn you know. they don't care they would suck. and he said to make. me come calling become stable. sold the continuous city. police forces. and they arrest
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those get this. you know it's very hard to fight face a state because they are professionally hired to do their job and those young people have to do it after. school or after. working hours by thier song united on those they have pretty clear mission and a very impressive very brief brief intelligent determined. but that and could be very sad.
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but they seem somehow to relieve can make a difference. they are making some difference because. this whole generation become more clear about who they are the enemy is on the whole all can possible and i think of those so deeply rooted in another name so much. in the battle is now over. that's a good if we all pull couple that are to help a lot of us that's
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a sense offering them a speech. prefab type of the war office. and it can be small noise but has to be insecure. beamed to us humph. period it was a cold in this house been good to us and bolted nothing in the oh is he too. old school is just trying to hold it tight it's still good you try to be cool but feel she's with the beer bottle form bull shit up she allowed him to touch it i'm not sure if it. will. close.
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by and has class to sell. his nose. was decisive minutes secures their night going to sleep it'll love life. on the spot. go. through.
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