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tv   Frag den Lesch  Deutsche Welle  May 21, 2021 1:45pm-2:01pm CEST

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we know there have been deep, deep divisions between mass and fatah. would you say that's true that there is a much more united palestinian a sense right now than before, far from it far from. and i disagree with a common disrespect very strongly what we see now, our shows of unity, but these shows actually just try to hide away a division that becomes ever deeper. and that has become deeper for internal reasons. the division has become deeper mainly because the current elected palestinian leadership and the palestinian national authority, which has been elected 15 years ago and hadn't had a didn't have a reelection since then. again, pull re post toned the elections in the palestinian territory. it's really our response, please. you know, daniel, unfortunately that shows your lack of understanding of the palestinian people. because the divisions have been externally and artificially implemented on the
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policy people due to all of the horrible circumstances that they have lived under. the truth is that palestinians themselves, they were, they have been divided between palestinians and israel, westbank, jerusalem, gaza refugees and all the time. and now you see the true palestinians that they are one. the fact is that the palestinian authority is an illegitimate, corrupt thing. you keep saying the region with representatives, they are not, neither is her mouth. actually the, the policy authority was supposed there is only one legitimate representative, which i see. and that's the only way forward and that as a reform and reconstituted p hello. hello. the philistines are only able to show unity or make believe their united when they are being attacked. they are not
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unified enough to act independently towards a solution of the problem when it comes to that they're deeply divided. and then that at the core of the problem, you're put caps in a cage and you keep reducing the amount of food that they have. they're going to fight. but when someone comes another tax them, all of a sudden they were able to defend themselves, are not only helpless victims, they can sign up on their destiny. so i don't, i don't even bring it on here. she's been trying to get there several things we need to keep in mind. first of all, even within hamas, we have great division. we have how much of leadership is not sitting in gaza. they are not the one getting you know, to live under what is considered by many as the world's biggest open open air prison. you know, a 14 year lockdown. exactly. it's hard conditions and leadership is not there for all sorts of maybe legitimate reasons. but that is the fact, and we, what we've seeing is the corruption. we've seen what's happening on both levels in homage. and in fact, you have those were leading and then you have those on the ground and the,
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the greatest pair in conditions that, that between those 2 groups here is an imagined ball. and i think this is what i'm trying to say is maybe the voice of the people start to, they're fed up with, with leadership and they're so, and you see the mistress and leadership, you know, and it quickly, but i wasn't want to come back to the question of the jews of them embassy. what we've seen doing is mostly sending signal that it weakens the, the west west bank at the pillow top leadership. so basically, instead of giving any rope or any suggestions of support to the more moderate side of the palestinians, it's been a slap in their face. and what we're seeing as a result of that at the extreme voice as those who do bother to defend jerusalem as if he sees himself now a month are gaining leverage and actually winning. because julian was left with no one to defend it. once. once the palestinian leadership in the west bank
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had become so weakened, partially, also due to american, actually let me make a brief cut there if i may, because our clock has not a lot of time left on it. and i would also like to talk about the other side because your opening statement talked about weak leadership on both sides. and i'm hearing from all of you a concession that there is some weak leadership on the palestinian side. so let's talk about the israeli one. as you mentioned, the government was struggling already to preserve its power when this crisis broke . your opening statement talked about weak leadership there as well. how does that play a role here? well, you know, 1st of all, let's again talk about the level of the people. there's a lot of mistrust. you see it online, you see it amongst people they don't know within it's within as well within israelis even those were not necessarily too far to the left is really not done. they remember we've been in these rounds of escalation time and again, and we're talking now about cease fire. and nobody is even discussing what the
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conditions are, because there are no real demands. you know, this was sort of a sure way, this was a show of both sides both, you know, leaderships on both side who had a lot to gain by showing dominance, by playing the card returns and so on. but the for them to stand that the game at the bottom line is for it, for them personally, is very small. natalia has been struggling in the last 2 years to hold to power. and he was an imminent threat for his leadership right before this broke out. i mean, for the 1st time we saw a real chance of another government, not only just different government with definite teneo, but a government who would also breach you know, into, over the aisle to the arab israeli community in bring it in, which is a fundamental change and also a threat in a way to those on the right to do not want to see this alliance, who do not want to see this coming together. they benefit from what we're seeing now, these crashes that just just make the rif deeper, you know, and put the,
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a mark on what divide israel as a very complex mix society instead of what unites that society. and within these conditions, that operation is definitely making everything far more complicated, intense. and another thing that makes the situation quite a bit more complicated is the prime minister. netanyahu is now facing an unprecedented problem within israel, namely clashes between jewish and arab residents in israel. in the past week, cities all over the country has been in gulf in unrest with reports of attacks on arab p. and i'm synagogues, israeli politicians have voice concerns, but the situation could in fact fry roll into the civil war. daniel, should that actually add impetus to israel's willingness to agree to a ceasefire? and how would you describe the 2 sides objectives? what goals would have to be met for them to both climbed down? well,
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to your 1st question. how that influences the politics and as well. i think that depends on the political perspective you take because part of the as really political landscape, the conservative part, the right wing part has actually at least taken steps. and the last years that a we're sure to give to deepen the divide between jewish israelis and arab, is released namely the statehood law. which the nathan yell government put in place . not too long ago took the status of official language from arabic. and that helped even better than to deepen the divide between jewish and rebels release. so it seems that part of the political elite and israel actually uses this polarization, least for the electoral tactics. notwithstanding the fact that the very same campus
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trying to form coalitions with our parties at the moment. but of course, finding a solution for israelis and palestinians would help to mitigate these tensions. because obviously they're also connected to shared sufferings between arab is release and their palestinian brethren. can i just i disagree. i really find the problem of calling the arab israeli. this is the term that the state of israel, because of these are palestinian sort of and they are 2nd class citizens of that. because by can they thought i was calling most in a different way. some of them they like to call themselves palestinians that very a lot, and i don't think you closer to them than you are daniel. but the point is that they are 2nd class citizens have always been that that has been the core of the problem. and when you see that this is why i'm saying is that this is not a group of 100000000 arabs. we're talking about,
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we're talking about palestinians who live in the land between the mediterranean sea and the jordan river graham. i'm going to stop you there. we have literally just left on the clock, but i do want to talk about one central element, namely 2 state solution solution. an independent palestinian state within the student state model remains the formal vision for a negotiated compromise. and you yourself say there has to be adjusting equitable solution to stop the violence sung. commentators have called the current violence the death of the 2 state solution very quickly. would you agree that it is no longer feasible? i believe that the 2 state solution was killed off by israel 15 years ago. and i've been thankful publicly ever since. the one thing that the one solution is to have one state which is for all of its citizens, regardless of race or religion, where you have duties and responsibilities. that's what i believe in. and i believe that's the only way shiny. react to that, please. yeah,
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i don't usually go for it after after we've seen the class is also within israeli, within israeli mic, city of arabs and jews living together. we've seen them going in flames. i see, i think the, the, any solution that brings them altogether into one state that's not going to happen . it's not feasible. well, i want to bring you a little bit of taking on this. we're not going to solve the problem for sure in the last minute in our show. but daniel, who amongst the outside mediators really would have any chance to push us towards some form association. so you say not europe. what about the u. s. and those arab states, you mentioned in europe, it will never work without the us. but i think a chance for reunited commerce finance and give them incentives for making an agreement with israel lies really with the new arab allies, as well as has been finding an arab world and is still searching. what would you
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want to see? the u. s. do within his own party, joe biden fence facing a lot of criticism. the united states will have to find for a way to exert pressure on israel to give israel and incentive for a new solution without l in a thing. their power bases in the united states with which is partially jewish, but we have to keep in mind, is it come off and the countries the moderate outcome because he's, they're not going to come together on this. come us not integrated into leadership . that's all right. thanks for being with us. thanks to all of you. for the me the the news,
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10 years after the arab spring, rebellion starts june 7th on d, w. the news . this is b, w. news lies from berlin. israel and thomas agreed to receive fire after days of devastating airstrikes and rockets, garages, palestinian set up right on the streets of garza. as the unconditional deal goes into force. all sides. hope to cease fire brokerage by egypt will bring an end to the fiercest viking. they've seen in years on the 1st day of the seas,
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