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the islamic feminist, this cause operates at 2 levels. on one hand, it's a scholarship that critically revisit and pack dominance. will you just interpretations that are discriminatory against women? on the 2nd hand, it also aims to produce new knowledge that makes the case for gender equality. but within an islamic bang, the objective of them is movement in his priority is to challenge dispatcher reading and to bringing woman emphasis to bring in feminist fences in the way we understand. and we approach islamic fixed sources. ah, cyrus ro, atlas sava is knowledge building coordinators in 2009. they began working in kula loom poor, more than 250 activists islamic scholars. and louis from $47.00 countries took part in a coal for equality and justice. in muslim families and religious values with central
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to the appeal, those who believe that islamic feminism is an exam or, and, or that islam and feminism. i contradictory, in fact, they need to check their on assumptions when you believe in feminism, you can't exclude other women and other struggles from this collective struggle. weatherwise, you're not true to your feminist ethics, islamic feminist of miss our, especially one to empower, practicing muslim women to help them enforce their rights as mothers lives and citizens can. according to islamic tradition, men hold play over women. as guardians, they decide on education, independence, work, choice of husband and children. the
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can these and follow the sharpie has been in muslim feminist edison. she was young . she studied physics in paris in the 1950s. for a long time she taught at the university of tune is one of the few women to do so. she's concerned that women in tunisia and cities are increasingly wearing headscarf again. symbol cool. i like to think back to that time a bit, man, my father and mother fitted for jane back then the women were all dressed like europeans. a general came home f. i love to show my grandmother also. she didn't always wear hid scobee see too much when she was at home. she was just herself, is it just slightly gyptian women to niecy and women who've been struggling since the start of the 20th century defense in the,
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in 1956 to these again, it's independence. the 1st president, her beeper, gave himself as an advocate for women. he should in considerable improvements like the prohibition of polygamy, divorce laws, and the introduction of a minimum age for marriage. girls and women gained access to schools, universities, and the labor market. ah . in letting you stand with independence in 956 president will give a took on shows that one place you don't because it was convinced that women should be emancipated good from women list supported by the fathers, grandfathers. very early on the fact how it was with me, my father thought that academic success was very important to me more ways to make
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sure that my educational development was taken as seriously as my brothers or men to cause them off the bite. hickman academy of sciences is located on the gulf of tunis. 5 thick volumes of books originated here, titled the koranic text and its variance. up to the sheet sharpie, went for years on the contextualization of the koran. jewish and christian sources were analyzed, including arrow make and syrian literature. the latest edition sheds new life from the familiar text look are only on the koran. it sounds as revelation, it was an oral and taxed city and text. it was not a fixed, written taxi. don't so the document we have today was this revelation. so nick, you know, is many the work of people showing them. it isn't the revelation itself,
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not to do the work. we do help muslims, and also non muslims. you've got to do away with a literal reading, danced in the lift, you need to detect city in their mind. it's an approach that usually leads to great interest and spirits of what i would give rather than in the literal meaning. it took us, that's the, nearly all of the koran. 114 sir as contain a lot of ambiguity. ah, so we asked question, how do we know we know? how do we know if this interpretation is actually an interpretation of what god had in mind? how do we know if this is a source of authority? why this males colors through the centuries had more authority than
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a woman today living in one context. what understand this text for her on experience? from a woman's perspective, tenicia is the most liberal muslim country in the region. even so reforms are needed. islamic scholar also uses has written extensively on issues like inheritance, low polygamy and homosexuality as they relate to the koran. uses compares the interpretations of males scholars from the middle ages to those of today and critiques their positions. because of that, she's been threatened by islamists, men, raheem a low noticed a lot of methyl moody. he can see the elements georgia as to jason took her coat, couple re you and you didn't a ledger to whatever you're good to say to how you we will not new. not new. yeah. you love who already demon. yeah. for the love
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a lot. but sure. are 20 for the light? yes. verse 35. this 1st goes very much my heart because it addresses god as light. just evoke you. i see this light as the spark of consciousness that encompasses everything. people, animals, and things to do now, it confirms that god is everything that and that there is only one that he can make just to go knew no need. no one knows the interpretation of the problem isn't ambiguity, gentle. on the contrary, i think these ambiguous readings are an asset. they allow the tech to open up the problem cool more. the problem comes when someone think, okay, this is the meaning now says love, this is the true. and i'm going to impose it on the other that the issue of the lump was, it was called when you read the koran,
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you can't just settle for what other people say. you can listen to them, ask questions because we didn't. in fact, you should, sometime tomorrow, but above all, you have to take responsibility for your own interpretation you. it is in christianity and islam. all 3 religions refer to a common patriarch abraham. ah, me, i believe that there are women who are trying to reconcile their faith with their own human dignity however they can. but personally i believe's feminism is either secular or is not, especially for talking about the mental tastes, religions. they're very butree article, all 3 of them. i mean women is just to read that islamic feminist have found
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arguments for the equality of men and women in the koran story of creation answer for verse one. god didn't create the woman from the riv of the man. he created an original soul, not saying why he'd attain, which is a feminine term in arabic doctor and took miss themes from the justices of the time to the justice of the time. it gave women many important tribes in the patio post culture of 7th century. but at that time, the notion of justice didn't include the idea of equality between men and women because gender equality is a modern concept. oh, do be learning in a shave on l y e rock. meg washy, had me, me or law id id me off is be will be that will be should be the oh,
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who are asian? mostly i don't shred of the give me because i love to give my god create. you could give it before you ask us to give them one of the possible dana. hi. it doesn't spend much time in france anymore. she left the country because of rising is lemma phobia. and now this in london, she to sees as long as a source of empowerment for women. it said that mohammed gave dignity back to disenfranchised women. let's see. do please let make society and women had the same status as animals or possession. they didn't have the right to inherit. they were the inherited girls were killed and then islam came on and said, no, women must also have the right to inherit that change in women's status facts. and
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was revolutionary women with no right? who could be killed or given away? became people with the right to inherit property, the dash put simply 34 versus 11 states that women should inherit about half of what a man gets. ah, the reason for the unequal treatment is that women didn't usually bear responsibility for providing for their family. ah. so it was taken for granted that men should be allocated the largest share of an inheritance ah, should be the 1st says that the share of inheritance is the guaranteed minimum for women. but there's nothing wrong with giving more than that. to do these days, women work,
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they participate in family life. i split expenses with my husband, both adding more money, i think and i pay my taxes like a man simple like any that is home to play on because it's so is it just viable through religion that i only get one as much as my parent's inheritance when the koran doesn't oppose the quality in that situation. so i think the getting the koran allows men to have up to 4 winds. critics of his lum claim. this is miss such any an instrument of male domination. there are 3 bases. talk about, believe me, the contains what it's in the say in this what a title, woman. and you look at the 1st verse,
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it's give you the 1st step solution. you can marry one to 4 wise. so you caught now mary 10 and 15. it is restricted, then you have the 2nd verse that comes and phase. you have to treat all of this wives equally. so you can just, it's not just a maximum. you also have to keep in mind justice and equality. but then you have the 3rd verse that comes and this 1st verse, what to say. it's that actually even if you want to be equal, god knows that you can't be male interpreters or patrick's will look at this verse and say the her and gave me the right to marry for wise. but they don't look at the 2 other verses. do you treat them equally if and if you claim that you do? god says that you can't. huh. 1 the head scout for women is one of his lambs, most controversial requirements, especially in the west. 6 that what does the koran actually say?
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and can synonym we're head scarves. when it takes to see here in a french context, in an environment, it is vehemently opposed to the head scarf. i am a rebels, a militant seminar. i don't want anyone to tell me whether i can wear a head scott or not. it's just not enough, not to be pressured by anyone in my family. my mother was against me wearing one incentive goal. but i told her that i hadn't asked for her opinion to you so much was a one to one day and not the next to me. i don't care what people think by and so in the name of the equality we are now denying muslim woman to control their own bodies to appear in the public space. we are punishing them by excluding them from the schools. and now there are people who talk about binding the, he double. so in the university, we are excluding them from workplaces where excluding them from nature activities in the minds of writing movements and french radical calories became an obsession.
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the most often used to prescribe the so called islamic, hence copy can be 2 separate mor good is a verse that simply says tooth covering can be used by the female lap. what's in there for me, but that has nothing to do with a requirement to cover the hand dispute or this to the left in the miss miller, my notion because the hello hello call inside them and i look what are the number will tell them i live in 10 am i let me on them. so the law allows him. this
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is sort line up from the put on. actually this is the 1st sort of that product and haven't received. and here god is ordering him to read. and this shows the importance of reading and help people should learn more every time to become better people in her boutique in the money capital musket. i'm a c designs. what she calls modest fashion. that is fashion, that embodies is, lemme values around the world. muslim women spend billions on clothing and accessories every year. already you see is a mother of 3, a successful fashioned designer and about muslim. most of the employees are men. lamb has always respected women and always treated the women the right way. so i think we're, i feel so lucky being a muslim because islam gave me all my rights. it's not about being a male or female. it's about if you can earn it. if you can work hard to get it,
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you can say that i'm a super woman and i can do everything on my own. i don't believe that this can happen. like for me to have things run properly for me to be a successful inter printer, i need the support of my husband because being a mom is very important, but there are some days where i'm so busy. like today i have a long day of appointments. and i woke up this morning, my daughter was sick, so my husband decided that he will take the day off just making sure that someone is taking care of my daughter and that i can get my important things done. this is going to be my aunt in winter collection next year. and basically it's inspired the patterns,
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traditional money address they can buy it is something that you see everyone wearing now, but it's actually not part of our tradition. it's something that came in later on. and became so trendy that everyone started wearing it. but when you go back to traditional addresses, then there's so colorful, so full of patterns and completely different than i buy it. ah, shoot the 1900 seventy's saudi arabia and other producing states have gained influence in these la mac world guest workers took their experiences back to other muslim nations. ah, meanwhile, rich ruling elite systematically invested in media as well as financing schools and mosque. all this lead to the exploitation of a highly conservative interpretation of islam.
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ah, the rainy and people as a to the shop in 1979, partly due to an anti capitalist movement that wanted to end the political and economic influence of the united states, ah, nest doing liberals and communists, including many women played a major role they couldn't foresee how they situation would deteriorate under the islamic regime, with its rigid legal system controlled by religious scholars. i seek were national here. said the sri. really. it's not the koran. shari'a is muslim law is the collection of regulations that were written. let's say 2 centuries after the revelation of the less you'll defensible thing about it is the
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position of women. so like the stoning of women who commit adultery risk that you, there's no such thing in the koran. there's only from just a 2nd or sentencing someone to death the turning away from the religion who see le post says he's that doesn't exist in those terms in the text of the koran man said to press keeps joking. so today it's very important to explain to people who want to practice is that there are differences between koranic text and shari'a and also to take school nick a lash up here. perhaps the most controversial passage in the koran is sura for the 30. for does it really call for men to physically abuse their wives if they rebel? well, let's see the her phone and i will not quite sure who this
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is, phil. i believe i chose the verse from the soda on nissan the women home because it symbolizes the superiority of the allah, the god of islam grants and men over women cities in europe and the united states. islamic feminists in particular have questioned this interpretation. i don't want to hear about interpretation. no, i think i copied her was the see her. i can read era is like most era, right? this is the word mean. be what islamic scholars to talk about the one to explain the versus you page by page. around your mom's and move, you can say that you should be women on the say, gently small, but they're still saying what is the piano?
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5 teams and tradition. and we found out that all this community re interpretations could be traced to one verse, which is a verse for $34.00 from sort of me. so you have the word editable when know which was the word that actually raised most of the controversies and i encourage you to look at the studies and the books that have been books with and just about the small words in order to end back its meaning and again, if you look at this, what tradition of the it has been interpreted and translated as being as meaning beating, and also used to justify the family. this man could be wise when you look at the technology and what this was, how this work was used in order instances in the court. and it is used for complete or the definition. and purpose is, for example, it's used when moiz is putting his a stick in order to separate the c into the way this is used is under him. it's not, it doesn't mean be think this interpretation is for example highlighted the fact
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that this is actually a solution even by god. whenever you have a conflict, don't act aggressively, but instead just separate the bits but they provide you daily seating. the secretary really is so you don't girls so seriously for the result, aren't you going over? so a t latrice old a low will connect you to cough i need to know do not very t daughter me sure. could that if you could, you be sure to chose their seduce. so what else to say? explain the fit, the sense that the profit will deliver the divine revelations you may said it was not a political leader in your god alone is the guardian of all things. not the prophets make better proof that includes religion shows the copy that shows that the jews
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don't want to show some trees. i think it's a great shame going in today's world and a group of muslims, although not all of them belong to a so called political islam say, there is spreading simply this an attempt is the my society on the left, islam and everything. justice to education to the status of women is all don't to don't, don't recall, failed to really can, shouldn't dominate public life. defense, especially bleak that's for on fighting against on duel jewel issue. it's a similar corner. i think the public spaces for social interaction to say we can't allow women to be excluded from certain spaces in this day and age exclude does this, but i'm
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a pro secondary activist fiercely because if we don't separate states and religion and our countries were never going to be a modern civilized were the states never. i'm not that just talking about living on i'm talking about everywhere. you cannot mix religion with, with, with, with the politics also. but my hope is that many people, unafraid of emancipation, you must emancipation. it doesn't take anything from the opposite list. it gives much like joy and like new discoveries. and the only thing we have to do because now and then because we've never taken before, gave him one of these tense. the tenacious revolution had a lot to do with emancipation after the overthrow of the dictator,
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tunisians adopted the constitution that put women and men on equal footing. women are now allowed to marry, non muslims and violence against women is an offense virus . and i mean that positively is here today to agents talk about almost sexuality and they talk about equality and inheritance law. and in islam they discussed the relationship between being muslim, look and being a citizen in a democratic contract and tried to overcome the division. and the problem was still some say it's impossible to be a muslim down, especially a muslim woman and modern looks like you could or that it's impossible to be muslim . and to stand more absolutely. equality between men and women in the struggle for and islamic feminism. muslim women are rising up and fighting their
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way towards emancipation with bravery and wisdom for middle school. if you look even at them, one of the most advance european european countries, very few has 5050 percent representation between men and women. and it's appalling. i mean, like, for example, when i look at sometimes of the leaders of the prime ministers of europe when they're gathered all together. and i see just angela merkel and maybe one other woman. and then all men say, this is europe. what's happening? this is 2019 in europe. we, then are we supposed to do here? if that is europe, you know what i mean? so you have a lot to do as well. don't think that it is over me
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