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me to this day crystal, she has no idea which gases she was exposed to. she has difficulty walking the result of a nerve disease. she's had, she was young. he's a con guide had, i'm guess i'm. i was 15 when i 1st began getting ill and done it after the end of the war. after they finished loading the gasp on the gus on they would be telling us i was almost paralyzed and initially a doctor thought it might be polio. who does i l a d d i state had to come to, kimberly moves and it was, and it always went away again on and then 20 years ago i was diagnosed with neuropathies little but no one can say what caused when you wrote to see the crystal, she also found out the toxins can be
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a trigger when she showed us a social album of pictures from her childhood, she became sad to whole family, died of cancer. she played the chemical weapons and the politicians who they know the existence of these war time poisons for 75 years. i don't understand it. i just can't understand what the politicians are thinking like not sluggish, or they haven't. i know i'm only good, but i've been through it all but these days i get the feeling that they know about it, but they don't want to know. they don't want to spend money on it and the costs are horrendous, and for them money is more important than people. as mentioned me because obstacle, germany's most talks diddling
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a pond in noah's saxony could easily become the world's most costly one. the clean up comes with an estimated $50000000.00. you right price tag. in early 2020 work began on 3 exploratory shafts. the 1st chemical shells turned up just to meet her below the surface. ah, stefan vishal is part of the team recovering the deadly weapons. in this job, he's aware anything can happen. what do you want to pull up because there are things where you can't gauge the risk of uncovering munitions, that leak and so forth. yeah, that's good. medical was the my biggest concern is coming across and exposed chemical warfare agent down in the whole when that would mean getting out carefully evaluating the situation and taking further measures that stephan vishal has been confronted with such situations down in the shop, he risks his own life on the job to save others when you do call me emissions are
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a problem. especially when they're somewhere buried in the earth, disintegrating and hazardous gases are leaking into the water. and eventually that affects the whole population of heavy metals that get into the water like arsenic, for example, steep into the food chain and then into people. and that's why we have to do that with ac 4 minutes is the maximum time to find there. she can stay in the shaft with his has met, suit and mom. he goes down alone. next to him and beneath him a hundreds of poison gas shells to will was. today he'll recover. 400 kilograms of toxic, deadly munitions from the whole list of the food. as i get my, i have a mix of feelings. it's strange because you know, i can't really express what it feels like, but it's certainly not good of information to stay sharp. whether you're excavating
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things or moving them, they've been moving this closely, watched con boy has been moving around the lunatic feet to month once a day. it's poisonous hall is loaded onto a special truck and taken to the gay car moonstone. the company is the only one in the country allowed to dispose of chemical weapons. any chemical weapon or agent found on gym and soil is brought here. i'm doing that at bob will not on average, we have one to 200 shells being brought here for most of them come from the region north of munster also that you all that for example, 2 years ago we had some from button button back spartanburg, back on the bay were doing some building and brought a chemical shell that still contained the nerve agent turbo and who hi this other than the f comes off with just a drop of tub boon is enough to kill
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a person. philip hirschler is responsible for destroying the gas before he sets to work, he meticulously checks his gear than he and even if there's any dirt or contamination in this area or if any of these plastic parts are damaged, it could allow toxic agents or poison gases to get on, that's why it's really important that everything fits here, that everything is clean and that the membrane isn't compromised. and it's always a human on it. all of her she was present in november 2019 when the 1st shell from dent in upon was soon opened and emergency medic was also on stand by until we get dressed here and then we get into our pokemon being driven over done again behind and talk about next we enter the front chamber where we pick up the
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shells, which we take to be cart also and open, and in the good our any physical done. when we take the shell out of the barrel, i fasten it at the right height. don't we leave the room on it because then it's the turn of the machine operator rope and michelle, wendy cannot fix this because it's open. he'll give us the okay, and i up here we go in and monitor the room for concentrations of warfare agents. this done this and if everything is okay, we look to see what the contents are by the state is missing out of opening when we determined that we take a lab sample and then the agencies put into a barrel that can be secured and destroy safely and furnished advance when the shell from deadly pond was phone open, the chemical warfare agent inside was found to be full gene. just problem is just kosky in the problem is the damages, the lungs, which means bodily fluids can get in the lungs,
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fill up the person effectively. drowns on their own bodily fluids. i mentioned quietly on your campus, actually thinking chemical munitions recovered from dating upon the school at the key car. if they really are $20000.00 shells to be recovered, it will take it to destroy them. all the gay car is already working to capacity. the head of the car is kruger, says politicians could be doing more close it out. of course that costs tax payers money under the home. in the end you have a safer environment, but that's not immediately visible. so maybe that's why it's an unloved child, but there is no other option. we should be doing something with getting to not least because so few people are aware of the many places in germany, contamination by war time, chemical weapons, berlin's hospital horse district, for example. the document
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that's only by the end of the 2nd world war, the trail of records on substances found. he gets lost in the by my during that month to his time, you had the allied takeover without any documentation. oh no document or 2, because some things here were also top secret one, so they were never supposed to be documented with all the records the still seal took them and you can go ahead and the 2 might not want a fresh listen. for decades, the authorities turned a blind di unwilling to stir up trouble on the river hassle. but things changed in 2018 when the real estate firm planning to build apartments had the areas searched for an exploded goal. the company got it back and forth. and i'm going to hearing the search a metal container was found in one of these bomb craters, whose origin could not be determined on the condo and the company,
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the berlin police bomb disposal team to check it out. and they determined that the container was filled with the chemical warfare agent clock one comes off before and after the unwelcome discovery, the real estate company turned to an expert alford crippen, north is an engineer and former captain with the east german army. he's qualified to work with chemical agents such as mustard gas and tablet, and he set his mobile laboratory up right next to the building site for on the spot . soil analysis is long come the deal. we're expecting a very strong contamination of soil here and also the recovery of large amounts of materials containing our, such as clark one and clark 2 must human being. given that the sign was one time to a world war 2 factories that made chemical warfare agents. this is hardly a surprise some of the old buildings are still there.
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for decades, no one paid much attention. parties were held at both house here and the former owner, the building housing authority did nothing. now the authorities say it's up to the new owners, typically any old ordinance, but the investor doesn't want to pay for it because that would mean passing on the cost of this toxic legacy to bias and tenants love all of a year old glass containers from the lab area and here is a piece of the barrel. the ground is full of things like the other one, the one comes of us. nick have already been covered so far. 1000 barrels have been filled to prevent dust from spreading through the air. water is constantly being sprayed over the area and the poison has
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been detected in the ground. water barrels have to be transported to move to, to be destroyed, to clean up aggression has cost and $8.00 figures. but what about the neighboring properties? large film studios are on the case of not, and on the other side, new apartment to being built. could they be chemical weapons in the ground? there was a hint on sullenness and we've got no idea what's behind that fence or in the neighboring lot. not too often, and you can assume that the soil is contaminated there as well. and it was a solid only hope that the new owners or whoever moves they are also plans to switch out the soil. because we know how heavily contaminated by arsenic the ground was here, it would be good if everyone did what we're doing soon. but all of all of it and other studies have shown that public areas are also contaminated with arsenic and
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uncomfortable truit for the city of berlin. after decades of turning a blind eye, authorities have to face pumped this toxic war time legacy. and it's likely to cost them a lot me got are true drilling it during a pond in low saxony ended after turning up $2552.00 cash shells. in spring 2020 the local district and regional state level officials agreed to excavate and completely clean up the area the lowest set and his environmental minister all at least says it was the option also says she was a month more the extent of the contamination is much greater than we initially thought that was i would say we will have to invest at least $50000000.00 euros to get rid of what is there for hundreds. fortunately, that can be done, and this is fairly compact area to make it safe again,
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breaking up. but the minister doesn't want low effects need to have to pay the costs on its own. he wants the federal government to share the burden as well because we didn't know there will be a little friction with the federal government over who pay for those in my eyes. the government is responsible clause or to put a differently high residency or should know this won't not happen because of money . it has to be done, but the government has to realize, i'm not ready to carry their share. it has to be fairly divided for the monster neighborhood of a rule is just a stone's throw away from getting a pond. if anything goes wrong at the excavation site, this will be the 1st place affected most demand. christina flick and john spoke with residence on an even a huge amount was dating a pond. no one thought about how dangerous it was for the environment and for the
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people here on the mention of kind, spic talk as slaves you know, point being scared generally wouldn't try to stop a clean up because that has to be done. what annoyed me is that they took so long to act my mystery type. this house in the, in the government agreed to help fund the clean up. the painstaking operation has begun to re open up the filled in pond. an engineering firm was brought in, one experienced clearing, chemical weapons, its boss applause flows, sex, and a government for showing integrity. on the whole, he says, german politicians are far too reluctant when it comes to dealing with almost $200.00 thoughts, contamination by chemical weapons. with me, once again on in the early 1990 s,
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the federal office for the environment pushed for research to get an overview of the situation on these sites in germany or system of the stand organ that led to some federal state setting up. so called ordinance decommissioning program, it doesn't which resulted in targeted investigations being carried out at several site and preferred bonds and but it was never completed to enter on in addition to the toxins present in the soil and groundwater. the engineer has other concerns to as another job is he does, there is the rich explosives and even warfare agent could end up in the wrong hand them to him middle. and couldn't. that would pose an even bigger risk to the population of physical for the perfect state. one of those warfare agents, the nerve gas found one of the most terrific chemical weapons ever made for music. and some pilot is the nerve agent, the probably the worst half, because even just very little concentrations can damage a person's nervous system and paralyzed the rest, the retreat center,
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leading to death for me. are there a tree failure? mentioned stand on an autumn facade, sanctioned thorsten strokes surveying a sinister place, the ruins of the sara plant in munster. ah. can you hear that this is where the saran plant was with him on the wards, the end of the war. they carried out trials here into the mass production of the warfare agents. aaron come here to the wi fi at that time. they only produced half a ton. when them pounds they would have eventually been able to produce 50 tons of fare in a month here in one of the history and couldn't during the war. the southern factory was disguised as a farm house from the air. there was no indication of the experiments being carried out on the ground here. when the british took over the plant after the war,
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they continued to research briefly and then blew the plant up. the buildings above ground were destroyed, but most of the underground, ah fond of kind of the system. this place hasn't been checked properly yet. nobody knows what could still be in here on level laboratory equipment, production site materials, or even munitions, even to as soon. no one knows to sit and there are no plans to search still set. the german army says it would cost too much awe. partials and fragments of other lab equipment lie strewn around the forest. none of it's being tested or cleared. ah, to many of the priorities means the army has little time to inspect the grounds. it isn't clear with the civilians of the trespassed. ah,
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it's kind of like no one has been caught so far, which if they were, you think there would be a penalty when these kind of because like i strongly advise against coming to this part of the property because it's very dangerous. there are ruins from when the buildings were detonated and there's a huge chance of falling into an old shaft and never being found to use him in schools. ah, frances, more fields or a wash with cash hills, those sites in the schools or they were incineration. but the median in french forest geologist daniel has been researching the almost industrial scale destruction daneen jobs. i've only seen him know other teeth in 2015. we were officially commissioned by the environment, ministry to sign post the forgotten places where chemical weapons were industrially
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destroyed. and also i haven't seen it so in inventory of at least 50 science was conducted on which is still ongoing cost on i probably won't get this far as neutral. and northern france is one fund we chemical weapons for incinerated. according to estimates several 100000 tons were destroyed here. there are many schools when nothing has grown for a century. the ground is full of toxic, said mister in class containers, and yet the forest is accessible to everyone. somebody feels and fully done yet. okay. we have to convict. this is a state owned forest, and so it's open to the public medical additional people often come here to pick mushroom response. and it's not inconceivable that they could come into contact with the toxic waste because he could stick their fingers in their mouths after they've been playing here. for example,
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the city share. if someone is off on that thought, just like in germany, no one here wants to take responsibility and bear the costs from the people shout on, set it up. and let me see if there are several reasons for the lack of willingness to deal with the problem. that just 1st the contamination took place 100 years ago . the responsible party has long since disappeared. men and the war ministry that gave the orders also no longer exist on the books. so now the question is, who can be held accountable? who is responsible to pay? 77, just to pay me. however, several incidents have forced the french government into action. the number is almost put a key to their accidents every year. the gulf, the french government does what i can for soon as something is found,
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the weapons are accompanied so on and on that you, the chemical ones are put in storage until the plant to incinerator them is complete. the show and the explosives up low. now, we're back, suppose you picked up in france ordinance, disposal is financed and run centrally by the national government in germany. accountability lies with each regional state and their budgets very greatly. that's why german experts would like the federal government to take more control and responsibility in ah, it will be that the regional states keep putting forward proposals for the federal government to take over the costs of ordinance removal, name and bill. now they've been consistently reject it from upgraded. it's a hot potato that keeps getting passed back and forth. we received this quote from the finance ministry who are responsible for this matter. please direct your
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questions to the ministry responsible the federal ministry for the environment, nature conservation, a nuclear safety environment. ministry was quit to respond. the federal government contributes to the disposal of chemical weapons through the federal ministry of finance as to the clearance of contaminated ground. here the regional government and not the federal government are responsible. this is currently not on the federal agenda. many contaminated sites belong to the german government. like to form a looking, it's musicians plant in ne germany where chemical weapons were manufactured, up until 945 geologist, you'll probably see for the 1st time he's interested in fine because it was laid out in a similar way to form a war, munitions factory and very he studied properties such as this one managed by the institute for federal real estate b,
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r to highs and lisa men are in charge of administration and safety here. this is the only bunker not to be blow, not but the soviet army after the war. player he lost does come was this was used for master gather, which was transported here from the amend or factory near holler and stored in one of 7 bunkers, last logo on isaacs bung because we used to store muster guests to one bunker or rather assistant with use to store clothes on. the main part of this plant was dedicated to producing munitions on leave, empty cartridges, mines and shells with here are not the vote and food. red means out of bounds. weiss all clear designs show which parts of the 100 hectic property can be accessed and which card no maps. so plans are the form of munitions. thanks. will remain. so your hand is. troy's uses the bavarian plants, lam, orientation,
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me guess shells are transported around the factory by conveyor belts, through a network of subterranean tunnels. ruins of those tunnels still survive after the collapse of east germany, the grounds, footprint staff. these get checked once a month and 90, sir. they determined the contaminated areas which were sealed off the ground water was found to be severely loosen by residues of arsenic and mustard gas industry. i'm thinking the very high concentrations are pollutants in the ground water, which are confined to certain areas. so the toxins reach is also limited, have been decreasing. does it clear decline? that's why we asked whether we need to take further action to clean the soil here. the ground water here also is used for drinking 3 houses here, have water wells, but they're checked regularly twice a year. and thankfully, they haven't shown any sign of contamination of chance. i'm,
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i'm yeah. and if you haven't got some kind of stuff, but is the problem really solve just by putting a fence around your hand? it's troy says no. he's consumed by the many off limit areas and the blind spot when it comes to war time poison. he says it could still be chemical agents in the systems here. and toxic gas shells buried in the ground. for him, the fence isn't a solution. it's part of the problem. when comes forget we can do what they did here and say no, we don't see any immediate trends and in case there are any, we'll put a fence around it. but let's consider the long term picture, and i don't see that fence still standing in 75 years or 150 years on order and 100 proof and the problem won't go away on its own. we clearly have to do something to . it's a further issue, the next generation will be saddled with the needs to get us to the getting
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a pond. new monster will hopefully be clean when it's passed on to the next generation. even if it does cost $50000000.00 euros. but that will only happen if local, regional and national politicians stay in agreement. and as long as tax payer money flows reality. for all of us who bear responsibility today are not to blame for what happened years ago. and we don't know how we would have acted if we were alive done. but now it is our responsibility to make sure that this problem is resolved. in world war one ended more than a 100 years ago. world war 2 more than 75, germany is really associated with chemical weapons today that they remain in the country, undetected and in unknown quantities. even when i retire there will be plenty of munitions less to clear in germany unless no job with them. and
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i think that if you don't have 1st experience of something, somehow some where you can, you don't know how to deal with it. and if on top of that cost money, a benefit, not us, it is so we don't own interest on the national. so we have to acknowledge that over the coming years, many, many billions more must be spent on eliminating and cleaning up the weapons of the past difficult. a dixon, i began researching contaminated science 34 years ago in 1986 the vitamin d. and in my view, it's an issue that's far from over. does that lead me to by i thought it would happen a lot quicker than the i thought once we tackled it and the resources were made available from the clean up was made a priority that we could do it on there is that phrase we can do it, does it say,
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