these places in your records. mm hm. 2 of the old big thing. sure is the treasure map for modern globetrotters. discover some of your record breaking on. and now also in book form me one in 6 couples in germany, find they're unable to have children. it was the worst thing i could have imagined . i thought that i might never have a child. i think we should judge people. options such as far as c o using donor eggs are illegal in germany. so when all else fails, many couple seek help abroad. it's a huge had to everything has been criminalized in germany. but elsewhere it's

become a multi $1000000000.00 industry. as nice as the people who do these things aren't criminal. these are just procedures that help people fulfilled our dream of having children. when we are and keep them safe when that many of the salary good and i jonas are acting out to financial need me. i meant that, but i mean, i mean $900.00 euro that's nearly twice in in a month. gotcha. we are going to do nation and sorry to see a lucrative business in europe. what caused the francisco favor? always wanted children, but it just never works. like so many she exhausted all the legal options, the reproductive medicine in germany. the whole 9 treatments caused her to blackouts and injure herself, but even that didn't, did. this is

a washed elem from i'm leaving the thought of not having children was so horrific to me that no matter what i suffered, i'd pick myself up, reactivate my hope and try the next thing. and so gradually we widened the limits that we were prepared to go to and said we'd try again. with donated eggs she could have probably got pregnant in germany. it's illegal. she could have got the treatment abroad and faced no legal consequences, but her conscience wouldn't let her do it. about the need. every one who doesn't get pregnant in the normal way, so to speak. suddenly faces ethical question. and in the end, you have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and live with your decision. that's me on the speaker in the sean con, much is possible medically, but remains ethically controversial. egg donation is legal in many western countries and a handful of countries and l. surrogacy 2 in germany,

only the standard fertility treatments or labs has anybody can finish heads up of fertility treatment center. one of more than $130.00 in germany. it's been more than 40 years since the birth of the 1st test tube baby, as the procedure was initially dubbed medicine has come a long way since then. in vitro fertilization is mill standard 110000 ivy f cycles that performed in germany alone. each year, germany also allows sperm donation and past additional legislation in 2018. the egg donation is not a noun that involves taking the egg of another woman during i v f treatment. the embryo has been transferred to the prospective mother. surrogacy is also banned here. another woman is artificially inseminated and carries the baby to turn on behalf of the parents. the embryo stems from and egg of the prospective parents

ordones 2 years ago, japanese strength, and it's a donation. those, the legal constraints placed on these procedures have been hotly contested for years. germany's national academy of sciences has long criticized the restrictions which are based on law dating back to 1991. there's most of ice cream and now all desire to bring us off and say, i have a 38 year old female patient who's no longer producing eggs. there's a medical side to the case and it's like a logical and emotional one of them. i have to tell her this even with only because she probably won't get pregnant using a donor, it would be an option for her, but i can't advise her on that. otherwise the state prosecutor will come knocking off on like on does, is racial. he says, every year, thousands of women seek help abroad for a handful of countries. it's become a lucrative industry. the vice president is all the worst cases of the all

inclusive packages. and it's like we're going on a nice holiday and we'll get pregnant in the process. or maybe not. it's mixed with commercial interest. comments and trade fans have even sprung up in germany like this one in cologne. now stand before the panoramic look down to, to illegal loophole. clinics from abroad. can advertise fertility services here. the to actually illegal in germany were not allowed to film during the opening hours in order to protect the privacy of members of the public attending the fact. there are also clinics here, advertising surrogacy. the number one choice for those that can afford it are the american clinic slab prices. surrogacy start at 830000 euros. those with a smaller budget can opt for a ukrainian clinic, where the baby package costs 64000 euros. some even guarantee a one clinic made headlines last year when around

a 100 newborns were stranded in kiev because look down measures prevented parents from connecting them. the images that were published by the clinic to increase the pressure on the government were beamed around the world. shortly afterwards, parents from abroad were able to collect the infinite. the case triggered an international debate on the essex of surrogacy the practices legal in some european countries to including the u. k, austria and denmark. but only if it's true is sick and not driven by money. greece goes a step further and announce clinics to offer surrogacy to international clients. selena and her husband decided to seek help in greece. we've changed her name. she wishes to remain anonymous because of the social stigma involved. she says even her friends have criticized. obviously you can't question the morality of it

something it's abusing another woman's body. but for me to thought that i might never have a child was the worst thing i could have imagined. i think we shouldn't judge people many struggle with the decision to use a surrogate because if ethical questions and the cost involved the us or canada would have been our 1st choice. they felt like the safest options, but we just couldn't afford it. then there was ukraine, which would have been the cheapest, but we didn't have a good feeling about it. so greece was the middle path. it was affordable and we felt that it was legally well regulated, and the surrogates were well cared for laner and her husband who actually home way through the procedure when lane us suddenly got pregnant. naturally. back to the trade fair. i've arranged to meet with a doctor from

a clinic in greece. he's helped a number of german couples, have a baby through surrogacy. so what motivates the salary? got mother to go through a pregnancy for a couple. she's never met. mandavi's a movie. you shouldn't underestimate people's desire to help others as a doctor working in this area as a way, i always try to understand why a woman would decide to do the vendors over. and over the years, i've noticed that the desire to help other couples is a very powerful motivation. and in my than positive friends and say, ok, i bet systems ok. but another incentive for the salary gets, is the financial compensation that they get isn't. this is to be honest, i would disagree mine if mike during the, showing that money doesn't play a major role in these cases in these, i guess it's a kind of go. so let's base ok that you talked about compensation, 10000 euro, that's legally fixed. real money in greece. now beneath us i left town.

i don't think that all women would undergo this procedure. it's not about the money . okay. okay. but isn't it the case that a business model has developed in figure because there's money involved and i'm scared. you know, as a doctor who's been involved in reproductive medicine for more than 20 years, i can assure you that it is not a form of business feelings. hunger said again that it's a form of medical care and help that makes people happy has all the in the low tech lately. but is it really just about making others happy? i decide to head to greece to find myself every year. some 200 babies are born in greece to, sorry, goods. the law permits the practice as long as it's out truest stick. back during the national economic crisis started in 2009 greece began promoting medical tourism to generate income. in 2013 athens open surrogacy to international patients.

since then, childless couples have come from all over the world. but there appears to be no independent checks into the welfare of the salary, gets my contacts on the ground, can't even put me in touch with any experts in this area. but i can speak to someone who wants to be a surrogate. she asked, not to be filmed, clinic has told her she can sign up for salary to see what her youngest child is a little older. she's a single parent with 3 children, but emphasizes repeatedly that her motivation is merely to help. she dismisses all talk of possible health risks. some work on god sees us. and when you're doing something good, maybe the next day, those good things will return to you. she has no job. the family of 4 lives from child benefits, 280 years. a months in all surrogates are allowed to receive $10000.00 euros in

compensation. but she tells us the psalms involved a much higher. she's been told 30000 and that's a that's a good start in life. 30000 euros. $30000.00 heroes would be a loss of money. a powerful incentive. i joined forces with another journalist and fly to the greek tide and discreet, where we're going to poses a couple in their mid to late forty's, who are desperate to have children. greece offers parents that use surrogacy an advantage. a court process guarantees them the parental rights before the pregnancy begins. we inquire to fertility in congestion appointment right away. but obviously we can't take the camera and adult 2 inches assistant told us that couples from all over the world managed to have babies here, evidently for loss of money. the cost for us would be between 788-5000

heroes of which 222-5000. and would go to this very good that she says, we shouldn't try to develop any emotional bond with the surrogate. and she was mainly doing it for the money because it was incredible. he said right away, she was doing it for the money. and yeah, she gets up to a 1000 euros a month, which she and now to get done. but then another 121-5000 euros when the baby is delivered. otherwise. yes, both the doctor and the assistant said sarah good gets another 10 to 15000 years at 1st. i mean, it doesn't sound that tell truest stick this us i live mission. i report our experiences to someone from the body responsible for drawing up greek floor in this area. catch us enough, one to duckie is vice president of the national authority of assisted reproduction . i tell her that we've heard from multiple sources that, sorry, good. so motivated by the money and may receive 20 or even 30000 euros

is a totally middle because the amount of money she could receive is 10000. okay . it's 20000 isn't. plus thousands as a payment and the payment would be against morality would be against human dignity that could not be allowed to be on availability of the human body. i tell her that his perspective parents were supposed to pay up to 85000 heroes. 85. yes. 80. 858-5000. yes. i mean, i learn things from you. this is not possible. this is, this is i extra extraordinary mom and i've never heard so i'm. 7 really, i'm very sorry, they treat foreigners like that because we didn't mean that when we said that

liquid open, the grid clinics for we go back to tourism. we didn't mean that we should, they should explode. people care to the newfound to doc. he promises to have the case followed up some clinics, have plenty turn surrogacy and to a business. but what about the practice of a destination that's much cheaper than surrogacy? every year, several 1000 couples from germany go abroad to use donor eggs. the number one destination in europe for this service is spain. here too, it's supposed to be actually dig, connect across the country, use thousands of donor eggs in fertility treatments every year. and the trend is increasing. but what does it involve for the donors and who profits? i visits the fertility clinics. it's very popular on german forums. a doctor from australia is responsible for german speaking patient. right?

yes, i have 3 initial contact meetings a day on the face of those around 80 percent up to receive the donor eggs. so over the entire year, it adds up under spanish law, the actors have to remain anonymous. so i can't meet any of the women who come here . a member of staff explains the medical procedure. when it says this is the operating room or both the patients and the donors have the treatment and the donor is injected with hormones, said that she produces multiple eggs instead of just one. these are then harvested in an operation the relatively safe. it's not completely risk free, and in rare cases that can be serious complications resulting in injury to in our organs or subsequent in fertility. the group that the clinic is part of the claims to have one of the largest banks in the world. they began storing dona eggs and patient embryos. 30 years ago, i ask how many they have she said,

oh lot. i can't tell you exactly how many we have right now. but we can store more than 60000 embryos at any one time. and we can keep them for many years. yeah. so where do the eggs come from? ya. of doubling us says egg donation is a part of the coach here in spain. as you see the outcome, by the way, when i arrived here, that was one of the 1st things that surprised me really is this idea of altruism the egg donation in the same way, people in germany, austria donate blood. the financial aspect is there to, of course, the donor receives between 100-1500 euros. depending on how many eggs we get. so it's not that much. and but if a student from the university of valencia does it to treat herself to a weekend in a beater, i personally don't have any problem with that. and i'm still

a 1000 heroes. is a lot of money for many people and presumably it's randy used to finance a short break. the average young woman in spain lives on a lot less than 1000 years a month. in fact, nearly 40 percent of young people are unemployed. surely many women feel compelled to give eggs for the money. naturally, the clinics won't pass on the details of any donors. and it's not a subject that women in spain talk about openly. but eventually, i managed to find someone prepared to talk publicly for the 1st time and on camera about her experience, the donating eggs. 5 years ago, 30 year old alia, was the student and didn't have enough to live on. like so many her age, she couldn't find a decent job. she donated egg 6 times in all $900.00 heroes each time you and it's all in ms. back then i had a job with very few hours. so my only secure income was $200.00 euros among the

from that i needed to pay both my rent and my fee. i gave them the 1st time i donated everything, i can remember getting paid. and the 1st thing i did when i got home was to pay my rent for the next 3 months. by all of my, somebody, cc, elia knew what to say to be accepted as a donut. it, oh my god, i'm and they went to the man. they looked at me and asked, so what's your motivation for doing this by you by and i said, oh, my motivation is altruistic. so i just want to help people and that was in just a moment. and i honestly thought of either him a very good actress or sociopath or i didn't know what he's or he's a very bad psychologist. i mean, just look at me and all the people who go, they lie to him and he just accepts it. let me fill out everything for years now, egg donation in spain has been on the rise. one of the few critical voices is scientist consuela. as plaza. she studied the practice,

both in spain and internationally. i believe the reason for the increase here is purely financial. she says the clinics have become very skilled in advertising. yes . can you guys, can you see that on the one hand, the clinics director advertising at women who need financial help, who lack of money, then on the other, they highlight the altruistic side. the idea that those who respond are helping others. they also offer a comprehensive gynecological checkup so that in the end they can say the donation wasn't purely for a financial reason. even though those reasons are obviously there. without that, no one would undergo hormone treatment and take the risk that is clearly involvement or race. or on the one hand, there are women in financial need on the other couples desperately wanting children . so that night for a couple of visiting the clinics. once again, we poses

a couple wanting children and immediately guess appointments into clinics. once again, we are unable to film those clinics. assurance that with this method will be able to have children, the health risks of the donors. and for me, as the mother of play down, we're also encouraged to have a d, n, a test done to rule out any hereditary illnesses. one of the clinics is even running a special offer yet. and she said this is how much it's supposed to cost. then crossed it hourly, but we'll offer you yeah. hilarious. a special deal for you is 7 and a half 1000. but only if you do it this month, then the dna test is free, but come one day later and it will be $3000.00 euros my. what would gen, doctors say about the price of louis hill and is passive to working group some reproductive medicine that are linked to the german medical association

. he says the price isn't not high, but he feels special offers and unnecessary extras like the dna test suggest the money making outfit with his view is can either be either on medicine. it's not just a product that you sell the label. of course we live from our income and it's not unusual to have bad practices here and there for the ones, but the focus for me, it's always the patient and, and not my wallet on the didn't. but that's not the impression i get from what you're saying. the other aspect is the risks to the donor and to myself, we're playing down. doug was all clear when this was class i'm. it needs to be an informed decision. it's both sides need to be clear about it. it's a low risk procedure, but not risk free control. and that needs to be clear in the near design. and the donor is not even having the eggs harvested to fulfill her own dream of a family. but for others that gives you more of the stone. so there's a certain moral obligation to think about the welfare of the woman who donated her

eggs and spend the times physical risks of the one aspect. but what about the emotional side? do? don't as experience long term off to affect. the news is another form i don't know willing to go public 10 years ago, she donated eggs repeatedly and now feels cheated by the clinic. she says no one explain to her the risks involved. she tells me her body reacted so badly to all the hormones that her life was in danger. with the progress in medicine since then, that wouldn't happen today, but she'll never donate again. and you know, you all on that. but i honestly donated because i thought it couldn't be a bad thing, but i thought i was doing something good for another woman. yes. someone who couldn't get pregnant would receive me and then me how will your portfolio and visit him and i would benefit financially and i needed the money back that and then

but afterwards i thought about it and a lot more and i don't see it that way. anymore so you know, may not be until 10 years old near struggling. she tried hard to suppress her biological children or not. but about me, i guess part of me tries to believe that nothing happened out. i just can't imagine it normally my have i prefer to think that might work and weren't personalized. i mean, more of the. yeah. but now when i start to talk about all these bad feelings, come on my mom and just not ready for it. but if it opens, it's easier to think that nothing has to be ok that my eggs didn't develop fully and there are no children out there with my d. n a k. i'm not seeing him and i'll sing on. part of your own identity is clearly

more than a quick operation. spanish socio logistics la fuente fullness has studied the practice of ag donation in europe. she's critical of the spanish system saying, well, sharp las couples benefit and the clinic so well to the loses of the donors. these in between situation is just not really working for the women that actually her in their reproductive capacity. because neither they're part of altruism very clear because they are, they are forbidden to have any relation with the family. and at the same time, they are not paid what it costs and they are not having to write. so it's a very high pocket situation. she believes society needs to decide either a donation is altruistic or paid properly. if the society, either jeremy societies banish the type of european society, we decide that we don't mind commercialize in reproductive capacity. then

we need to find proper framework in which to do that with the right of the people who are actually willing to contribute with their ex or with their reproductive capacity. and to have a good income to do that. so she's calling for a clear decision on whether it's an act of kindness or a but opinions differ based on donation and surrogacy. the debate in germany has been going on for years. the national academy of sciences, which that can finish the part of once a donation to be legalized, not following on donations, have been carried out for more than 30 years now. these days, the band is hard to justify legally ethically, all medically i regret that it can't be carried out in germany in an orderly way.

it could be well regulated, so that couples are advised properly the don't is there advised properly, and that only a limited amount of money is given to the donor. truly, i spend, but others disagree. political scientists belongs to a network of scientists. that activity opposes any legalization of ag donation, or sorry to see, she says the altruism argument is unrealistic and there aren't enough women who would donate voluntarily does i'm $5.00 to $1.00. that means a certain level of compensation will be needed, don't have to be. and then we still won't have enough, so the compensation will be increased. and before you know, you have a line of business where women are risking their health before the benefits of others. i gain some of my own egg donation. and so i guess the unethical or perfectly acceptable is legalize ation. low neva gene. what a government's doing to clarify these questions. the german justice ministry

referred me to the health ministry, which in turn points to a memorandum written by the german medical association. it says there are complex legal, ethical, and societal aspects to consider. the current governing coalition agreement foresees neither the drafting of a new law on reproductive medicine, nor any modification to the existing embryo protection act. so the german government doesn't have the issue on its agenda, and neither is it triggering any new debate on those complex legal, ethical, and societal aspects. those affected will have to wait francisco fab, i never had a child. instead, she's devoted her life to advising other couples, wanting children, and calling for germany to finally make a decision on the donation. and sorry, jesse, she says this silence surrounding these issues and the ignorance of many politicians is a disaster with harness and his team, monica were too afraid to broach the subject. we get rounded by saying it's banned

in germany. please go abroad and we abandon tens of thousands to a situation where there's no proper legal framework support and no advice on it because that's not love. we just abandon people and then wonder why there's a problem. also based on, sorry, kasey and egg donation, medical experts in the you took a lot about altruism, but often the sour goodson don't, is just have financial needs, potential problems, both physical and emotional, frequently go unmentioned. meanwhile, those wanting children face a dilemma with no where to turn to objective advice. clarity is needed. and rules which are fair for all the the kickoff

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