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the the news ah, this is dw lie from berlin. the european union seals off its aerospace to belive within flight traffic. it's one of several sanctions you leaders set in place at a summit in russell. the measures are meant to punish the government for diverting a passenger judge to arrest an opposition journalist. also coming up to us secretary of state antony blinking needs with israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu in jerusalem. it is the 1st off on his trip to the middle east aimed at bolstering the finer between israel and moss and rebuilding gossip
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a year after george floyd murder. minneapolis remembers his death at the hands of a police officer triggered a reckoning over race relations in the us. but active to say not enough is being done to keep history from repeating itself. and in sports, the cat is finally out of the bag, outgoing buyer and coach hunting. click on manage the german national t after a foreign boss stepped out. ah, i'm see me. so i'm going to, it's good to have you with european union leaders have agreed to sanction. bela ruth afterward forcibly diverted a ryan air flight and arrested a dissident journalist. now the measures were agreed upon at a summit in brussels and member states that i decided to take the following steps here. but lucy, an airline 1st and foremost, will be banned from you as and airports then economic sanctions. and also travel
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restrictions will be imposed on a number of individuals who are linked to this planes diversion. and then there is a 3000000000 euro investment package for bell roof that will remain on hold. now the european council is demanding the immediate release of the detained journalist from unprotected which his supporters fear for his safety. look in the should i will. this is the beginning of a highly contested video. dissident journalist among us here which appears in front of a camera after his detention by bela lucy and authorities. the video was posted monday evening to have pro governments social media channel. see if it's saying that he's in good health. at the end of the video, he's quote, confessing to organizing mass disturbances in minsk, but it's just supporters such as exiled opposition. nita said line onto another guy, i believe the video was made under duress. she said,
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you read the movie and there is no doubt that he late he was taken to you was firm and his response introducing punitive measures against the regime in men's top of the list. bending bella ruffian airlines from european skies. the us also slapping sanctions on those responsible for, for the see if shes abduction, west and powers have widely content. the incident including natal, forced landing over passenger flight by us was dangerous and unacceptable. this is a state hijacking and demonstrates how the regime in means of tax, basic democratic rights. on sunday, i'm going to see if it was traveling from greece to lithuania on or by an airplane . the commercial flight was on was reevaluated on its way to vilnius and then escorted to men's by a bela in war plain, allegedly because of
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a bomb threat. but no explosives were found on the aircraft. as a co founder and former editor of the nest of channel and telegram privacy, which used his influential voice to royal alexander lucas shankar regime. he now faces after 15 years in prison. and for more on the story, we can speak now to hannah lou cova about lucy and journalist. and i thank you for joining us. first of all, as we saw there, bella was seen, authorities have released the video from and to see if that that was likely filmed under duress. and that is why we are not showing that video in its entirety, but you know, room and to see if it's so what did you make of this video? or a man definitely looks horrified and he looks very and distressed. his voice is trembling as one can listen to one, somebody who knows him especially would notice what we also see is that his nose
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might be broken and he was definitely better because he has marks over his face. they have be in college, but you can still see them. so he is confessing on the video that he took pied keep plotted riots and bowers, which is punishing up to 15 years in prison. but then, how were this confession? kind of taken out of him was he? well, he was beaten right with lucky portraits so. so these are questions that we've been asking ourselves and we are really scared. we are really worried about us health and his status condition and lawyer was not allowed to the sent me to see him yet. we know that the european union is demanding his immediate release. european union member states have also agreed on a sanctions for bella. risk, can you tell us more about the individuals who might be targeted by the sanctions? the conversation starts?
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well firstly, the perpetrators are responsible for human rights violations and violence would be added to the sanctions. less than these conversations where, how like in the past month, this is regarding the police brutality. now, there are talks about those who kind of responsible for the plane being forced down that those individuals for targeted. in the you also mentioned economic target economic sanctions, which means that those are responsible for financing the regime luca, shank, of financing for finances and his oligarchs, his wallet might be added to this list. okay, so we're talking about a relatively broad spectrum of sanctions there. but our opposition leaders and activists in bella, ruth satisfied with these measures or firstly, what we have to remember is that this is not about of the ation. this is not about targeting traffic control over and over with this is about targeting look shanker who me,
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who makes decisions personally and kind of cutting all the fine lantus cutting all these funds that are coming from, from his all dogs, basically to support the regime to support their oppression. so that's something that people expect ochs of is politicians but also people in boulder. they want the unit to be thought. and also we have to remember the goal of this sanction. this is just the violence, this is to stop the regimes behavior, and this is the 4th location cut to and the representatives of the regime to agree to hold negotiation leading to new and free and fair elections. that's something that's the you should not forget. elevation, journalist hannah luba cover speaking to us. thank you very much. now after last night's meeting in brussels, german chancellor, uncle michael dismissed beller with his explanations of the incident and have this message for the leadership in minsk. mom to see if it's for him and prep us here,
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which must be released immediately. all the explanations for the 1st landing of ryan their flight are implausible. the same plies to his partner, sophia pig. we are demanding their release. so let's bring in our political correspondence. nina has a hi, nina, it's good to see you. what does cancel michael statement there? tell us about where germany stands on this incident. well it was a very swift responds, not just by germany, but also by the u as a whole it happened very early on and the reactions were explicit. and so domini is still calling for the immediate release of them to and uncle michael, i see mentioned potentially phrasing. mr. look, i think us bank accounts in the you very early on. and now germany is calling for an edge and international investigation by the international civil aviation organization into just what happened and just like in other countries here in germany to on monday, the bill of rosie and bassett was summoned because the german government officially
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protested against what they call the full diversion of the plain and what they call the kidnapping of mr. protest. david and his partner straight after the events became young leader. some people did want to see even tougher measures. you mentioned that the ambassador was summoned, but we haven't seen any ambassadors recalled, for example. so do you think there is appetite in germany for sending and even strong or message developers? well, by e year's standards, it was pretty strong if you compare it to what's happened in the past. in the similar situations we've heard, you officials condemn very seriously or strongly monitor situation, etc. so this was a very clear response and from the u. 27. having said that, of course they also hear what, for example, the journalist said in this interview that you just did. and germany did make it very clear that they want you to speak with one voice, say, because the response can be much stronger if all 27 act together. but we are,
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of course, also all aware of the strong links between delivery and russia. so really we're talking about the relationship between the you and rasa. here between germany and russia, president putin supports the regime and below routes. and so ultimately comes down to the question, how much of a fallout is germany prepared to risk with russia at this point in time? there is no big appetite for that. here in germany, there is strong economic ties. germany is holding onto the controversial no stream to gas pipeline. and germans are going to the polls in september. and so the greens are leading the polls current then could well end up forming the next government have announced that they would adopt a much firmer approach towards russia. but with the current government, i don't see a massive strategic change happening in terms of foreign policy. in the months leading up to the election, unless the u. s. for example, applied presser and 70 to do so. our political correspondent, nina. so thank you so much. us secretary of state antony blinking isn't
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televi at the start of a middle tor. the visit is designed to consolidate the cease fire between israel and hamas militants in the gaza strip. blinking is holding talks with israeli leaders before traveling to meet with heads of the palestinian authority. jordan and egypt in a bit to open the flow of humanitarian aid into garza. the territory was devastated by israeli airstrikes launched in retribution for hamas rocket attacks on israeli cities. the press conference with israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. lincoln appealed for humanity and empathy. especially in times of conflict losses on both sides were profound. casualties are often reduced to numbers. but behind every number is an individual human being a daughter, a son, a father, a mother, a grandparent, of best friend. and as the town the teaches to lose a life is to lose the whole world, whether that life is palestinian or israeli. now speaking at that same press
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conference, israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu emphasize the need for international cooperation to ensure stability in the region. we need to work together to expand normalization between israel and arab and muslim world, and deep in the peace treaties that we already have. we discussed also how to improve the lives in the conditions of the palestinians, the monitoring conditions in gather as well as building economic growth. for julia scenario, the west bank with the international cooperation and participation, our correspondent, tonya kramer, is following the story for us. and she joins us from jerusalem. hi tonya, what more can you tell us about what entity, lincoln and benjamin netanyahu have been saying? well, these are the prime minister benjamin netanyahu. first of all, thing to the american administration years president joe biden,
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for the support. it was right to defend itself, that was very important to him as a 2nd point already been, you talked about the wrong nuclear deal. he said he hopes that the us would not go back to the old a nuclear deal that is currently a disgusted, international community. and what we just heard, also from prime minister netanyahu talked about peace that made me peace with the nations, the hon. the courts he was referring to. but also he talked about the humanitarian situation in gaza and she condition that it needs to get better there. but condition that also on the return of the missing soldiers and also the tooth radio to the house that are being held in garza no. anthony blinking us secretary of state address more the humanitarian situation. you said it's
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a very difficult situation in gaza and that she would make a major announcement on rehabilitation and b building gaza. but also the need to make sure that this doesn't benefit from us. and the only brushed the issue of the new kid very, very briefly. we know that he wants to stabilize the cease fire that's in place, but tanya, looking ahead, is it realistic to expect any steps towards israeli palestinian peace talks? well, that's actually the question here because at the moment the focus seems to be securing the sci fi that was broken by each of between us and israel and to focus on rehabilitation or reconstruction of gaza. that is very of that is needed of that needs to be also, you know, discussion about a mechanism to bring in for example, building materials. so we are there at the very, very beginning office. although the secretary of state anthony blinking address
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that he said that, you know, the needs to be an address of the underlying causes for this conflict. but we didn't get a sense that anything is being done in this regard to, to find also a political solution to all of this. we are here at the very beginning. it seems. and at the same time, we understand also it's important for the american administration at least know, 2 restraints and tie for the policy and authority in the occupied was thank. he's going to meet the policy president bus now in the afternoon because these ties have been trained under the trump administration. our correspond, tiny kramer reporting from jerusalem. thank you. not some other headlines from around the world. tens of thousands of people are evacuating low lying areas in eastern india to escape a cycle barreling toward the coast. it is expected to make land call on wednesday in the states of west bengal and additions last week. another major storm killed at
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least 155 people on the west coast. italy's mouth aetna has a rocket against viewing lava and hot rock up into the night sky. the overnight erupt was the 4th this month alone. is the world's most active law quino. more than 200 people have been injured in a trained collision and the malaysian capital qualified for one of the trains was empty and on a test run after repair work. the cause of the accident is still unknown, but the regular rail service has received. it has been a year since george floyd, a black man was murdered by a white police officer in the u. s. city of minneapolis. the killing was captured on video and it shocked the world, sparking global anti racism protests and calls for political action. d. w is oliver sal. it is in minneapolis, he got a chance to meet the civil rights campaigners who have been pressing for sweeping police reform. they say not nearly enough as being done. ah,
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the sight of a murder, not even a dog can comprehend. george floyd died on this spot in front of a minneapolis grocery store one year ago. and the video footage of his death is impossible to forget it. spark furious protests around the world, bringing you one year on every in she reminds of that day in may, 2020. the community is still reeling. i feel like this is a step down because the police involve was arrested but it's still happening. so like this is the magic racism is still here. we're still dealing with it. the police need less freedom. that's basically what we're saying. they need less freedom and then they need to be accountable, held accountable for what they do in downtown minneapolis, supporters of the floyd family and other activists are showing their anger. hardly
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any one here is satisfied with the progress made in the past 12 months. one year after the death of george floyd, people marching police reform here in minneapolis and in some cities across the united states. they say murder a man. but at least $100.00 african americans have until the police last year. so sure, get away lost her fiance during a police operation. she says the state of minnesota is up the forefront. the police brutality against black people today is very important because this is the day that revealed us about everything that they didn't do. it was people here in atlanta, minnesota 1 may see at a rally in front of the minneapolis courthouse where george lloyd's murderer was convicted. family members and civil rights activists are commemorating the life of
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the man who through his death became an icon. it has been a pain it has been very frustrating for me, my family for your lives can change with a link. and i go from floyd family attorney ben crump says they are now looking to congress, setting their hopes on a sweeping police reform bill named for floyd. we know that it's a tipping point and it has to be a meaningful legislation. because if not, joyce law name can be own in the, at the site where george floyd was killed. an open air gospel service reminds worshippers that the world has changed. and that there is hope that reform could follow suit the
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in german football, outgoing buyer, nick coach hands. the flick has signed a 3 year contract. the coach, the german national team. slick, who's byron team but lifted the bonus like a trophy on saturday. we'll take over from yogi live, who was leaving the post after europe and championships. the rivers have been flying ever since, hans. the flick confirmed in april that he wanted to leave by on munich at the end of the season. know that the f b, germany's football federation has confirmed that link will take over from the coach . he assisted as germany won the world cup in 2014. after the summers postponed european championship, you will love is to step down up to 15 years in charge. and the flick era can begin flick left by an under a close relationship with sporting director, sun fellow homage, apparently beyond repair. but d s. b director oliver beer hoff says his old colleague is a man who brings people together. the flick certainly did that. the buyer and the
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recent bend is league, a triumph expanded, an incredible trophy hole in minnie 7, including last year's champions league, and all in little over 18 months and charge that record should give him the quote to command respect in the german dressing room. philip superstars who and players like thomas miller on monday with noah. there will be a few familiar faces to put in a good word for the new man. and oliver moody from d. w. sports is with us here in studio. hi only. so this house been expected for a while, but why do you think that it's like it's been chosen for this job? for quite simply say me, he was the obvious candidate to take over farm yogi live. you have to consider the phenomenal success that he's had at by and in recent times to come in as pretty much, you know, this head coach into that dressing room will be big reputations and names. and so when the treble in his 1st season and not even a full season or not is an unprecedented level of success. and then continuing that
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this seasons when the league again. and i think what he's shown in that time more than anything is that he really knows how to bring players together. he really knows how to give them a sense of stability and unity and confidence. and these are things that are very important in international football where you're bringing players together from different teams and trying to make them g, l. and when you think about the timing, as well as flick, supposedly having some personal problems with the bi and bosses at the same time as yogi love is looking to quit as the germany coach off of the european championship, it was just to get an opportunity for the german football association to pass up. ok, but does that success that he's had with fire and actually translate to the international stage? what we flick already does have some experience in international football and some success as well. it was a part of your love coaching sets up for a number of years, including the 2014 world cup, which was obviously the high point of german football in recent times with germany winning the welcome. so you can point to that and say, look, i know how to win trophies in international football. i've been there and done it.
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i think it was. i have to think about lives, relationships with some of the by and players. there are 8 by and plays in the current germany squad, including the big names like manuel noise and thomas miller, unusual chemist, influential plays in germany, sets up and he has this great relationship with and already look international football is an unpredictable piece by football standards. but flick and germany real have all of the ingredients to be successful in the coming years before hands . if i take several, we do still have the european championships the summer. so can you go out on a high high you put me on the spot. look at the big question for all germany funds out there this summer. there's no doubt that standards have dropped since the 2014 heyday, the 2018 woke up with a shambles. the reputation of the germany team has a plumber, says you'll get love reputation to i think it's fair to say that's one of the reasons that he's throwing in the towel off the european championship for look, this is philip seen with a lot of talent, the buying guys that i mentioned already,
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plus the likes of car. i have a few more van, a new one who will all be playing in the champions league final. it's clear that there's still a lot of talent in this. germany say, i wouldn't make them the favorites, but i wouldn't roll out a glorious love once on either. alright, well everybody from d. w sports. thank you so much. now the u. s. has warned its citizens against travelling to japan, where corona, virus cases were made high. but japanese government says the travel advisory will not effect the olympics due to begin in tokyo, in less than 2 months time. the international olympic committee says the event will go ahead, despite low approval ratings and vaccination rates in japan, in order to boost its an occupation campaign. japan has just opened mass vaccination centers, its aims to immunize 36000000 elderly citizens before the start of the game. the offices of a former tax office in tokyo, now one of japan's 1st mass vaccination centers. everyone over the age of 60
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families is eligible for a chart. now, as i'm feeling very believed and grateful for a long time, a year and a half, i was feeling rather anxious, intense if you didn't know who might get the silliness. i don't care if i get it or not, but i didn't want to pass it onto my parents. so my children that you know, when i think the staff are still getting used to it a bit, but they still got things done pretty quickly. i made my reservation at 8 am and by $826.00, it was over including the waiting time japan's vaccination drive got off to a slow start. vaccinations only began in mid february months. behind many other countries stay far less than 5 percent of the population have had a job with the limpid games being held here in tokyo. in just 2 months time. the new vaccination centers i meant to speed up the vaccine rollout,
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but many feel it's too little too late. when working this weekend, done it earlier and got 8090 percent of people vaccinated by the time of the olympics. and then for sure the games can be held without a problem. but you already have 2 people most here worried about the games post show that up to 80 percent of japanese. people don't want the olympics to go ahead and with good reason. tokyo and 9 other areas remain under a state of emergency. infection rates are on the rise and in cities like soccer hospitals are running out of beds and ventilators, as japan battles of 4th wave of the pandemic. a reminder now of our top story, the european union says is feeling off all of its airspace. developers can fly to traffic. it's one of several new sanctions targeting fellow roofs that you leaders agreed upon at brussels. the sanctions are in response to the grounding of
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whatever i policemen, the we are here is actually on fire. for mines in the one in 6 couples in germany find they're unable to have children. it was the worst thing i could have imagined. i thought that i might never have a child. i think we shouldn't judge people options such as summer, gassy or using donor eggs or illegal in germany. so when all else fails, many come who seek help abroad. it's a huge had to everything has been criminalized in germany. but elsewhere it's
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become a multi 1000000000 dollar industry as you need that owned us the, the people who do these things aren't criminal. these are just procedures that help people fulfill their dream of having children. only, and that was when the many of the sour gets and jonas are acting out of financial need me. i meant that, but i mean, or, i mean $900.00 euro that's nearly twice and a month. gotcha. we don't donation and sorry to see our lucrative business in europe at what cost. the francisco fab. i always wanted children, but it just never works. like so many she exhausted all the legal options, the reproductive medicine in germany. the whole 9 treatments caused her to blackouts and injure herself. but even that didn't deter her. this is and if washed
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elam from my leaving the the thought of not having children was so horrific to me that no matter what back i suffered, i pick myself up, reactivate my hope and try the next thing. and so gradually we widen the limits that we were prepared to go to and said we'd try again. with a donated egg, she could have probably got pregnant in germany. it's illegal. she could have got the treatment abroad and faced no legal consequences, but her conscience wouldn't let her do it. about every one who doesn't get pregnant in the normal way, so to speak. suddenly faces ethical question most and in the end you have to be able to get yourself in the mirror and live with your decision. thus mon speaking in the town can much is possible medically, but remains ethically controversial. egg donation is legal in many western countries and a handful of countries and surrogacy 2 in germany,
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only the standard fertility treatments are allowed heavy but can finish heads up of fertility treatment center. one of more than $130.00 in germany. it's been more than 40 years since the birth of the 1st test tube baby, as the procedure was initially dubbed medicine has come a long way since then. in vitro fertilization is now standard $110000.00 ivy. f cycles are performed in germany alone. each year, germany also allow sperm donation and past additional legislation in 2018. but egg donation is not allowed. that involves taking the egg of another woman during ivy f treatment. the embryo was then transferred to the prospective mother. surrogacy is also banned here. another woman is artificially inseminated and carries the baby to turn on behalf of the parents. the embryos stems from the sperm and egg of the
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prospective parents ordonez. 2 years ago, germany strengths, and it's a donation. those, the legal constraints placed on these procedures have been hotly contested for years. germany's national academy of sciences has long criticized the restrictions which are based on a law dating back to 1991. there was somebody in the fall desire to pick this up and say, i have a 38 year old female patient who is no longer producing eggs. there's a medical side to the case and a psychological and emotional one. i have to tell her that even with only she probably won't get pregnant using a donor egg would be an option for her. but i can't advise her on that. otherwise the state prosecutor will come knocking off and like on does it. he says, every year, thousands of women seek help abroad for a handful of countries. it's become a lucrative industry. the vice president is all in the worst cases of the all inclusive packages. and it's like we're going on
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a nice holiday and we'll get pregnant in the process, or maybe not. its mixed with commercial interest comments and personal trade fans have even sprung up in germany like this one. and now stand before the panoramic lockdown. due to a legal loophole, clinics from abroad can advertise fertility services here. the to actually illegal in germany were not allowed to film during the opening hours in order to protect the privacy of members of the public attending the fat. there are also clinics here, advertising surrogacy, the number one choice for those that can afford it of the american clinic slab prices, the star, i guess the start at 830000 euros. those with a smaller budget can opt for a ukrainian clinic where the baby package costs 64000 euros some even guarantee a baby. one clinic made headlines last year went around
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a 100 newborns were stranded in kiev because lockdown measures prevented parents from connecting them. the images that were published by the clinic to increase pressure on the government were beamed around the world. shortly afterwards, parents from abroad were able to collect the infants. the case triggered an international debate on the ethics of, sorry to see the practices legal in some european countries to including the u. k, austria and denmark. but only if it's true istic and not driven by money, greece goes a step further and announce clinics to offer surrogacy to international clients. so nina and her husband decided to seek help in greece. we've changed her name. she wishes to remain anonymous because of the social stigma involved. she says even her friends have criticized her. obviously,
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you can't question the morality of it. something it's abusing another woman's body . but for me that i might never have a child was the worst thing i could have imagined. i think we shouldn't judge people many struggle with the decision to use the sarah good. because if ethical questions and the cost involved the us or canada would have been our 1st choice. they felt like the safest options, but we just couldn't afford it. then there was ukraine, which would have been the cheapest. but we didn't have a good feeling about it. so greece was the middle path. it was affordable, and we felt that it was legally well regulated, and the circus we're well cared for. laner and her husband were actually half way through the procedure, when lena suddenly got pregnant. naturally,
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back to the trade fair. i've arranged to meet with a doctor from a clinic in greece. he's helped a number of german couples, have a baby through summer gassy. so what motivates the salary? got mother, she goes through a pregnancy for a couple. she's never met. mandavi's a movie. you shouldn't underestimate people's desire to help others. as a doctor working in this area, i always tried to understand why a woman would decide to do the dentist. and over the years, i've noticed that the desire to help other couples is a very powerful motivation and in my positive friends from their host. okay, i bet, assistance. okay, but another incentive for the salary gets is the financial compensation that they get isn't. this is looking to be honest, i would disagree mine if mike during the, showing that money doesn't play a major role in these cases in these, i guess he's a kind of go. so let's base. okay. that you talked about compensation, 10000 euro. that's all that's legally fixed for real money in greece.
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i left town. i don't think that all women would undergo this procedure. it's not about the money. okay. okay, but isn't it the case that a business model has developed in figure because there's money involved you know, as a doctor who's been involved in reproductive medicine for more than 20 years. and i can assure you that it is not a form of business feelings homeless. and again, it's a form of medical care and help him. so that makes people happy as the and then the low tech lately. but is it really just about making others happy? i decide to head to greece to find out for myself every year, some 200 babies are born in greece, to surrogates. the law permits the practice as long as it's actually stick. back during the national economic crisis started in 2009 greece began promoting medical tourism to generate income. in 2013 athens open surrogacy to international
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patients. since then, childless couples have come from all over the world. but there appears to be no independent checks into the welfare of the salary, gets my contacts on the ground, can't even put me in touch with any experts in this area. but i can speak to someone who wants to be a sorry good. she asked not to be filmed. a clinic has told her she can sign up for sorry to see what a youngest child is a little older. she's a single parent with 3 children, but emphasize it repeatedly, that her motivation is merely to help. she dismisses all talk of possible health risks. oh my god sees us. and when you're doing something good, maybe the next day, those good things will return to you. she has no job. the family of 4 lives from child benefits, 280 years a month and all surrogates are allowed to receive 10000 euros in compensation. but
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she tells us the sums involved much higher. she's been told 30000 and that's a good started life. 30000 euros. so she 1000 heroes would be a loss of money. a powerful incentive i joined forces with another journalist and fly to degree type and decrease where we're going to poses a couple in then mid to late forty's, who are desperate to have children. greece offers parents that use surrogacy an advantage, a court process guarantees them the parental rights for the pregnancy begins. we inquire to fertility clinic and get an appointment right away. but obviously we can't take a camera and adult to, and his assistant told us that couples from all over the world managed to have babies here, evidently for loss of money. the cost for us would be between 788-5000
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euros of which 222-5002 go to the salary good. and he says we shouldn't try to develop any emotional bond with the salary good. and she was mainly doing it for the money because it was incredible. he said right away, she was doing it the money. and yeah, she gets up to a 1000 euros a month, which she allowed to get done. but then another 10 to 15000 euros. when the baby is delivered. yes, both the doctor and the assistant said, sorry, get, gets another 10 to 15000 years at 1st. it doesn't sound that l. touristic. of michigan. i repose our experiences to someone from the body responsible for drawing up greek floor in this area. catch us enough on to ducky is the vice president of the national authority of assisted reproduction. i tell her that we've heard from multiple sources that, sorry, gets the motivated by the money and may receive 20 or even 30000 euros.
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it's totally legal because the total amount of money she could receive is $10000.00 . okay. $20000.00 is plus thousands as a payment and the payment would be against morality would be against human dignity that could not be allowed to availability of the human body. i tell her that his prospective parents, we were supposed to pay up 285000 heroes. 80. yes, 80. 858-5000. yes. i mean, i learn things from you. this is not possible. this is, this is an extra extraordinary amount. i've never heard so i'm. 7 shocked when i'm very sorry, they treat foreigners like that because we didn't mean that when we said that was
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open the grid clinics for we go back to tourism, we didn't mean that we should, they should exploit people getting the newfound to jackie promises to have the case followed up, some clinics have plenty turned surrogacy into a business. but what about the practice of a nation that's much cheaper than surrogacy? every year, several 1000 couples from germany go abroad to use donor eggs. the number one destination in europe for this service is spain here to it's supposed to be out to istic clinics across the country, use thousands of dona eggs in fertility treatments every year. and the trend is increasing. but what does it involve for the donors to profits? i visit to fertility clinics. it's very popular. and german forums a doctor from australia is responsible for german speaking patients. yes,
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i have 3 initial contact me times a day on the face of those around 80 percent up to receive the donor eggs. so over the entire year, it adds up under spanish law, the have to remain anonymous. so i can't meet any of the women who come here. a member of staff explains the medical procedure. when it says this is the operating room where both the patients and the donors have the treatment and the donor is injected with hormones, said that she produces multiple eggs instead of just one. these the then harvested in an operation the relatively safe. it's not completely risk free, and in rare cases that can be serious complications resulting an injury to in our organs or subsequent infertility. the groups at the clinic is part of claims to have one of the largest banks in the world. they began storing dona eggs and patient embryos. percy years ago, i ask how many they have when she said,
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oh, lots of people. i can't tell you exactly how many we have right now. but we can store more than 60000 embryos at any one time. and we can keep them for many years. yeah. so where do all the eggs come from? ya called doubling us says egg donation is a part of the culture in spain. to here come by the shore when i arrived here, that was one of the 1st things that surprised me. there really is this idea of altruism egg donation. in the same way, people in germany, austria donate blood. the financial aspect is there to, of course, the donor receives between 100-1500 euros. depending on how many eggs we get. so it's not that much. and but if a student from the university of valencia does it to treat herself to a weekend in a beater, i personally don't have any problem with that problem. it's still
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a 1000 euros. is a lot of money for many people. and presumably, it's rarely used to finance a short break. the average young woman in spain lives on a lot less than 1000 years a month. in fact, nearly 40 percent of young people are unemployed. surely many women feel compelled to give eggs for the money. naturally, the clinics were passed on the details of any donors, and it's not a subject that women in spain talk about openly. but eventually i managed to find someone prepared to talk publicly for the 1st time and on camera about her experience that donating eggs 5 years ago, 30 year old aliya was a student and didn't have enough to live on. like so many her age, she couldn't find a decent job. she donated eggs 6 times in all 900 heroes each time you and call me back. then i had a job with very few hours. so my only secure income was $200.00 euros money on the
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bought from that i needed to pay both my rent and my fee. if we are the 1st time i donated, i can remember getting paid. and the 1st thing i did when i got home was to pay my rent for the next 3 months in a vial of yours. if you ellia knew what to say to be accepted as a donut, it also got me on me. they went to the man, they looked at me and asked, so what's your motivation for doing this? and my and i said, oh my motivation is altruistic. so i just want to help people answer. and that was in just a moment. and i honestly thought of either him a very good actress or a sociopath or i didn't know what he's or he's a very bad psychologist. i mean, just look at me and all the people who go, they lie to him and he just accepts it. let me and then i'm gonna have stuff for years now. egg donation in spain has been on the rise. one of the few critical voices is scientist consuela. as plaza. she studied the practice,
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both in spain and internationally. i believe the reason for the increase here is purely financial. she says the clinics have become very skilled in advertising. yes . can you guys be sure for d. c that are on the one hand, the clinics direct their advertising at women who need financial help. lack of money, but then on the other day highlight the altruistic side, the idea that those who respond are helping others. they also offer a comprehensive gynecological checkup so that in the end they can say the donation wasn't purely for financial reasons. even though those reasons are obviously there, without that, no one would undergo hormone treatment and take the risk that is clearly environment for race and work. on the one hand, there are women in financial need on the other couples desperately wanting children . so looked at night for couples visiting the clinics. once again, we poses
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a couple wanting children and immediately gets appointments into clinics. once again, we are unable to film those clinics. assurance that with this method will be able to have children, the health risks for the donors and for me as the mother of play down. we're also encouraged to have a d n. a test done to rule out any hereditary illnesses. one is the next is even running a special offer yet and she said says how much it's supposed to cost and then crossed it. hourly. but we'll offer you yeah. hilarious. a special deal for you is just 7 and a half 1000. but only if you do it this month, then the dna test is free, but come one day later and it will be $3000.00 euros my what would german doctors say about the price of only sheila and is positive to working group some reproductive medicine linked to the german medical association,
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he says the price isn't not high, but he feels special offers and unnecessary extras, like the dna test, suggest them money making outfit. that his view is can bother you. the medicine is not just a product that you seldom. of course we live from our income and it's not unusual to have bad practices here and there for the ones, but the focus for me, it's always the patient and not my wallet on the didn't. but that's not the impression i get from what you're saying. the other aspect is the risks to the donor. unto myself were playing down the hall was all clear. when this was closed time it needs to be an informed decision. it's both sides need to be clear about it . it's a low risk procedure, but not risk free control, and that needs to be clear in the near design. and the donor is not even having the eggs harvested to fulfill her own dream of a family. but for others that gives you more of the stone. so there's a certain moral obligation to think about the welfare of the woman who donated her
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eggs and spend the time physical risks other one aspect. but what about the emotional side? do don't, is experience long term after effects. the news is another form. i don't know, willing to go public 10 years ago. she donated eggs repeatedly and now feels cheated by the clinic. she says no one explained to her, the risks involved. she tells me her body reacted so badly to all the hormones that her life was in danger. with the progress in medicine since then that wouldn't happen today, but she'll never donate again in value on that, but i honestly donated because i thought it couldn't be a bad thing. but i thought i was doing something good for another woman. yes, that was someone who couldn't get pregnant, would receive me and it's another me, how am i gonna move on and i would benefit financially and i needed the money back
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that and then but afterwards i thought about it and a lot more and i didn't see it that way anymore, so you know, may not be 10 years old news is still struggling. she tries hard to suppress of her biological children. oh, not bad about me. i guess a part of me tries to believe that nothing happened or not how i just can't imagine it normally my hand. i prefer to think that my eggs work and weren't fertilized, the more a ivy and the yes, but now when i start to talk about all these bad feelings, come on my mom and just not ready for it. but if it's easier to think that nothing has to re okay, that my eggs didn't develop fully and there were no children out there with my dna . kelly i haven't seen on part of your own identity is clearly more than
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a quick operation. spanish socio logistics, la fuente fullness has studied the practice of egg donation in europe. she's critical of the spanish system saying, well, sharp las couples benefit and the clinics well to the loses. the jonas, these in between situation is, does not really work in for the women that are actually carrying their reproductive capacity. because neither their part of altruism very clear because they are, they are forbidden to have any relation with the family. and at the same time, they are not paid what it costs and they are not having to write. so it's a very high advocate situation. she believes society needs to decide either a donation is altruistic or paid properly. if the society either jeremy society, banish society or the european society, we decide that we don't mind commercialize in reproductive capacity. then
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we need to find proper framework in which to do that with the right of the people who are actually willing to contribute with their ex are with their reproductive capacity and to have a good income to do that. so she's calling for a clear decision on whether it's an active kindness or a but opinions differ based on ad donation and surrogacy. the debate in germany has been going on for years. the national academy of sciences, which that can finish is a part of once egg donation to be legalized. not falling on donations have been carried out for more than 30 years now. maybe these days the band is hard to justify legally ethically, or medically i regret that it can't be carried out in germany in an orderly way. it
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could be well regulated, so that couples are a, dies properly the don't is there advised properly and that only a limited amount of money is given to the donor for the i spend. but others disagree. political scientist catherine found belongs to a network of scientists, that activity opposes any legalization of donation or sour gassy. she says the altruism argument is unrealistic and there aren't enough women who would donate voluntarily let us. i'm 512 i'm. that means is certain level of compensation will be needed and then we still won't have enough. so the compensation will be increased. and before you know, you have a line of business where women are risking their health before the benefits of others. i gain some egg donation and so i guess the unethical or perfectly acceptable is legalize ation. low neva gene. what's the government's doing to clarify these questions? the german justice ministry referred me to the health ministry,
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which in turn points to a memorandum written by the german medical association. it says, there are complex legal, ethical, and societal aspects to consider. the current governing coalition agreement foresees neither the drafting of a new law on reproductive medicine, nor any modification to the existing embryo protection act. so the government doesn't have the issue on its agenda, and neither is it triggering any new debate on those complex legal, ethical, and societal aspects. those affected will have to wait from cisco fab. i never had a child. instead, she's devoted her life to advising other couples, wanting children, and calling for germany to finally make a decision on the donation. and sorry, guess the. she says the silence surrounding these issues and the ignorance of many politicians is a disaster. we have hallmark under the manage time were too afraid to broach the
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subject that we get rounded by saying it's banned in germany. please go abroad and we abandon tens of thousands to a situation where there's no proper legal framework support and no advice on it. because that's not love, we just abandon people and then wonder why there's a problem. all success based on, sorry cassie and egg donation medical experts in the e. you took a loss about altruism, but often the sour goodson i don't, is just have financial needs, potential problems, bass, physical, and emotional, frequently go unmentioned. meanwhile, those wanting children face a dilemma with no where to turn to objective advice. clarity is needed and rules the affair for all the ah
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