against corrective rulers and dictatorship, the hope for more security, more freedom and more dignity have their hopes been fulfilled. 10 years after the era spring, rebellion starts june 7th on d. w. one in 6 couples in germany find they're unable to have children. it was the worst thing i could imagine. i thought that i might never have a child. i think we shouldn't judge people. options such as currency or using donor eggs are illegal in germany. so when all else fails, many couple seek help abroad. it's a huge have to everything has been criminalized in germany. but elsewhere it's

become a multi $1000000000.00 industry. it's nice on the the, the people who do these things aren't criminal offenses. these are just procedures that help people fulfilled our dream of having children. when we and when that many of the sour goodson jonas are acting out of financial need me. i'm into but i mean, or i mean 900 euro that's nearly twice. but in, in a month gotten, we are not in the donation and sorry to see our lucrative business in europe at what cost the francisco fab. i always wanted children, but it just never works. like so many, she exhausted all the legal options. the reproductive medicine in germany, the whole 9 treatments caused her to blackouts and injure herself. but even that didn't, this is watched from i'm leaving the,

the sort of not having children was so horrific to me. that no matter what back i suffered, i pick myself up top, reactivate my hope, and try the next thing. and so gradually we widened the limits that we were prepared to go to and said we'd try again. with a donated egg, she could have probably got pregnant in germany. it's illegal. she could have got the treatment abroad and faced no legal consequences, but her conscience wouldn't let her do it about every one who doesn't get pregnant in the normal way, so to speak. suddenly faces ethical question most and in the end you have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and live with your decision that's on fish and speaking in the august, how much is possible medically, but remains ethically controversial. egg donation is legal. in many western countries and a handful of countries and l. surrogacy 2 in germany,

only the standard fertility treatments or allows heavy bird can finish heads up of fertility treatment center. one of more than $130.00 in germany. it's been more than 40 years since the birth of the 1st test you baby is the procedure was initially dumped. medicine has come a long way since then in vitro fertilization, ms. nell standard, 110000 ivy f cycles that performed in germany alone. each year, germany also allows sperm donation and passed additional legislation in 2018. but egg donation is not allowed. that involves taking the egg of another woman during ivy after treatment. the embryo was then transferred to the prospective mother. surrogacy is also banned here. another woman is artificially inseminated and carries the baby to turn on behalf of the parents. the embryo stems from the sperm

and egg of the prospective parents ordonez. 2 years ago, germany strengths, and it's a donation. those, the legal constraints placed on these procedures have been hotly contested for years. germany's national academy of sciences has long criticized the restrictions which are based on a law dating back to 1991. there's most some ice cream and not fall, because i'll just bring this up and say i have a 38 year old female patient who's no longer producing eggs. there's a medical side to the case and assigned to logical and emotional one. i have to tell her that even with like, she probably won't get pregnant using a donor. it would be an option for her, but i can't advise her on that. otherwise the state prosecutor will come knocking off on like on does, is leisha. he says, every year, thousands of women seek help abroad for a handful of countries. it's become a lucrative industry. the vice president is all the worst cases of the all

inclusive packages. and it's like we're going on a nice holiday and we'll get pregnant in the process. or maybe not. it's mixed with commercial interest comments and trade fans have even sprung up in germany like this one in cologne. last year, before the pandemic dropped down, due to a legal loophole clinics from abroad can advertise fertility services here the to actually illegal in germany. we're not allowed to film during the opening hours in order to protect the privacy of members of the public attending the fact. there are also clinics here advertising surrogacy, the number one choice for those that can afford it. of the american ken eck slab prices. surrogacy started 230000 euros. those with a smaller budget can opt for a ukrainian clinic where the baby package of 64000 heroes some even guarantee a baby. one clinic made headlines last year when around

a 100 newborns were stranded in kiev because look down measures prevented parents from connecting them. the images that were published by the clinic to increase pressure on the government were beamed around the world. shortly afterwards, parents from abroad were able to collect the infants. the case triggered an international debate on the ethics of surrogacy. the practice is legal in some european countries to including the u. k, austria and denmark. but only if it's actually stick and not driven by money. grease goes a step further and announce clinics to of a summer see to international clients. so nina and her husband decided to seek help in greece. we've changed her name. she wishes to remain anonymous because of the social stigma involved. she says even her friends have criticized her.

obviously, you can't question the morality of it. something it's abusing another woman's body . but for me that i might never have a child was the worst thing i could have imagined. i think we shouldn't judge people many struggle with the decision to use the sarah good. because if ethical questions and the cost involved the us or canada would have been our 1st choice. they felt like the safest options, but we just couldn't afford it. then there was ukraine, which would have been the cheapest. but we didn't have a good feeling about it. so greece was the middle path. it was affordable, and we felt that it was legally well regulated, and the surrogates were well cared for lena and her husband who are actually half way through the procedure. when lameness suddenly got pregnant. naturally, back to the trade fare. i've arranged to meet with a doctor from

a clinic in greece. he's helped a number of german couples, have a baby through surrogacy. so what motivates the salary? got mother, she goes to a pregnancy for a couple. she's never met. mandavi's a movie. you shouldn't underestimate people's desire to help others as a doctor working in this area as a way, i always tried to understand why a woman would decide to do the the hub dennis over the years. and i've noticed that the desire to help other couples is a very powerful motivation. and in my positive there has, okay, i bet assistance. okay. but another incentive for the salary gets, is the financial compensation that they get from this. if it is illegal, to be honest, i would disagree mine. if mike's during the showing that money doesn't play a major role in these cases. i think they kind of goes on this page. okay. that you talked about compensation, 10000 euro. that's, that's legally fixed. for real money in greece, flesh beneath us,

i live out. i don't think that all women would undergo this procedure and it's not about the money. okay. all right, this is okay. but isn't it the case that a business model has developed and figured because there's money involved? you know, as a doctor who's been involved in reproductive medicine for more than 20 years, i can assure you that it is not a form of business in august. i begin to lights a form of medical care and help him that makes people happy as will be in the lo, technically. but is it really just about making others happy? i decide to head to greece to find out myself every year. some 200 babies are born in greece to sorry, goods. the law permits the practice as long as it's out truest dick. back during the national economic crisis started in 2009, greece began promoting medical tourism to generate income. in 2013 athens open

surrogacy to international patients. since then, childless couples have come from all over the world. but there appears to be no independent checks into the welfare of the salary, gets my contacts on the ground, can't even put me in touch with any experts in this area. but i can speak to someone who wants to be a sorry good. she asked not to be filmed. a clinic has told her she can sign up for sorry to see once i youngest child is a little older. she's a single parent with 3 children, but emphasizes repeatedly that her motivation is merely to help. she dismisses all talk of possible health risks. oh my god sees us. and when you're doing something good, maybe the next day, those good things will return to you. she has no job. the family of 4 lives from child benefits, 280 years. a month in all surrogates are allowed to receive $10000.00 euros in

compensation. but she tells us the thumbs involved much higher. she's been told 30000 and that's a good started life. 30000 euros. $30000.00 heroes would be a loss of money. a powerful incentive. i joined forces with another journalist and slide the green side and of crete, where we're going to poses a couple in then mid to late. forty's, who are desperate to have children. greece office, parents that use surrogacy an advantage, a court process guarantees them the parental rights. before the pregnancy begins, we inquire to fertility clinic and get an appointment right away. but obviously we can't take a camera and a doctor and his assistant told us that couples from all over the world managed to have babies here, evidently for loss of money. the cost for us would be between 788-5000

heroes of which 222-5000 would go to the salary good. and he says, we shouldn't try to develop any emotional bond with the salary good. and she was mainly doing it for the money because it was incredible. he said right away, she was doing it for the money. she gets up to a 1000 euros a month, which she allowed to get done, but then another 121-5000 euros when the baby is delivered of a violent. yes, the doctor and the assistant said the surrogate gets another 10 to 15000 years at 1st. it doesn't sound bad. tell touristic this mission. i reposed our experiences to someone from the body responsible for drawing up greek floor in this area. catalina phone to ducky, is the vice president of the national authority of assisted reproduction. i tell her that we've heard from multiple sources that, sorry, good, so motivated by the money and may receive 20 or even 30000 euros.

it's totally legal because the thought that the amount of money she could receive is 10020000 isn't plus thousands of payments. and the payment, of course, would be against morality, would be against human dignity that could not be allowed to be on availability of the human body. i tell her that his prospective parents were supposed to pay up 285000 heroes. 80. yes, 808585000. yes. i mean i learn things from you. this is not possible. this is, this is extraordinary. extraordinary amounts. i've never heard. so i'm. 7 shocked when i'm very sorry, they read foreigners like that because we didn't mean that when we said that with

open the grid clinics for we brought back to tourism, we didn't mean that we should, they should explode. people can infant to darky promises to have the case followed up. some clinics have clearly turned surrogacy into a business. but what about the practice of eg destination? that's much cheaper than surrogacy. every year, several 1000 couples from germany go abroad to use donor eggs. the number one destination in europe for this service is spain. here too, it's supposed to be out with stick clinics across the country, use thousands of donor eggs in fertility treatments every year, and the trend is increasing. but what does that involve for the donors and who profits? i visit the fertility clinics. it's very popular on german forums. a doctor from austria is responsible for german speaking patients. right?

yes, i have 3 initial contact mediums a day on the face of those around 80 percent up to receive donor eggs. so over the entire year, it adds up under spanish law, the have to remain anonymous. so i can't meet any of the women who come here. a member of staff explains the medical procedure. when it says this is the operating room where both the patients and the donors have the treatment. and the donor is injected with hormones, said that she produces multiple eggs instead of just one. these then harvested in an operation the relatively safe. it's not complete the risk free. and in rare cases, that can be serious complications resulting in injury to in our organs or subsequent in fertility. the groups at the clinic is part of claims to have one of the largest banks in the world. they began storing dona eggs and patient embryos. 30 years ago, i ask how many they have. went to school. she said,

oh lot. i can't tell you exactly how many we have right now. but we can store more than 60000 embryos at any one time. and we can keep them for many years. yeah. so where do the eggs come from? yak of doubling us says egg donation is a part of the culture in spain. to see the outcome, by the way, when i arrived here, that was one of the 1st things that surprised me. there really is this idea of altruism the egg donation in the same way, people in germany, austria donate blood. the financial aspect is there to, of course, the donor receives between 100-1500 euros. depending on how many eggs we get. so it's not that much. and but if a student from the university of valencia does it to treat herself to a weekend in the beater, i personally don't have any problem with that. and i'm still a 1000 heroes. is

a lot of money for many people and presumably it's randy used to finance a short break. the average young woman in spain lives on a lot less than 1000 years a month. in fact, nearly 40 percent of young people are unemployed. surely, many women feel compelled to give eggs for the money. naturally, the clinics were passed on the details of any donors. and it's not a subject that women in spain talk about openly. but eventually, i managed to find someone prepared to talk publicly for the 1st time and on camera about her experience that donating eggs 5 years ago, 30 year old alia, was a student and didn't have enough to live on. like so many her age, she couldn't find a decent job. she donated egg 6 times in all 900. each time you want to call me back then i had a job with very few hours. so my only secure income was $200.00 euros among us from

that i needed to pay both my rent and my fee i gave. we are the 1st time i donated, i can remember getting paid. and the 1st thing i did when i got home was to pay my rent for the next 3 months. in a vile of years, she elia knew what to say to be accepted as a donut. i mean, they went to the man, they looked at me and asked, so what's your motivation for doing this? and i said, oh, my motivation is altruistic. so i just want to help people answer. and that was in just a moment. and i honestly thought of either him a very good actress or a sociopath or i didn't know what he's or he's a very bad psychologist. i mean, just look at me and all the people who go, they lie to him and he just accepted me for everything. for years now, at donation in spain has been on the rise. one of the few critical voices is scientist consuela. as plaza, she studied the practice,

both in spain and internationally. i believe the reason for the increase here is purely financial. she says the clinics have become very skilled in advertising. yes . can you can you, can she already see that? on the one hand, the clinic director advertising at women who need financial help, who lack money, then on the other, they highlight the altruistic side. the idea that those who respond are helping others. they also offer a comprehensive gynecological checkup so that in the end they can say the donation wasn't purely for financial reasons, even though those regions are obviously there. without that, no one would undergo hormone treatment and take the risk that is clearly environment date for race. and on the one hand, there are women in financial need on the other couples desperately wanting children . so what's it like for couples visiting the clinics?

once again, we poses a couple wanting children and immediately gets appointments thing to clinics. once again, we are unable to film those clinics. assure us that with this method will be able to have children, the health risks for the donors. and for me, as the mother of play down, we're also encouraged to have a dna test done to rule out any hereditary illnesses. one of the clinics is even running a special offer yet because she said this is how much it's supposed to cost and then crossed it. hourly. but we'll offer you yeah. hilarious. a special deal for you is 7 and a half 1000. only if you do it this month, then the dna test is free. that come one day later and it will be $3000.00 euros more. what would german doctors say about the price of only shall and is positive to working group some reproductive medicine linked to

the german medical association. he says the price isn't not high, but he feels special offers and unnecessary extras, like the dna test suggest a money making outfit that his view is kind of the, the medicine is not just a product that you seldom of course, we live from our income and it's not unusual to have bad practices here and there for the ones, but the focus for me is always the patient and not my wallet on the didn't. but that's not the impression i get from what you're saying. the other aspect is the risks to the donor and to myself were play down. the one was all clear when this was close i'm, it needs to be an informed decision. it's both sides need to be clear about it, like it's a low risk procedure, but not risk free job. and that needs to be clear in the near design. and the donor is not even having the eggs harvested to fulfill her own dream of a family. but for others that gives you on the vision one of the strong. so there's a certain moral obligation to think about the welfare of the woman who donated her

eggs and spend a physical risks other one aspect. but what about the emotional side do? don't is experience long term off to affect the needs. there is another form i don't know, willing to go public 10 years ago. she donated eggs repeatedly and now feels cheated by the clinic. she says no one explained to her the risks involved. she tells me her body reacted so badly to all the hormones that her life was in danger . with the progress in medicine since then, that wouldn't happen today, but she'll never donate again. on apple k, i honestly donated because i thought it couldn't be a bad thing. but i thought i was doing something good for another woman. yes. or someone who couldn't get pregnant would receive from me and it's not me how my portfolio and, and i would benefit financially and i needed the money back that and then,

but afterwards i thought about it and a lot and i don't see it that way anymore. so you know me not 10 years old news struggling. she tries hard to suppress of her biological children. to me, i guess a part of me tries to believe that nothing happened out. i just can't imagine it normally my. i prefer to say that my ex work and weren't personalized. i mean more than the yeah. but now when i start to talk about it, all these bad feelings come on my mom and just not ready for it. but if it's easier to think that nothing has to be okay that my eggs didn't develop fully and there were no children out there with my dna posting on part of your own identity is clearly more than

a quick operation. spanish sociologist, south i la fuente fullness has studied the practice of egg donation in europe. she's critical of the spanish system saying, well, charlotte couples benefit from the clinic. so well to the news is that the donors, these in between situation is not really working for the women that actually her in their reproductive capacity. because neither they're part of altruism very clear because they are, they are forbidden to have any relation with the family and have the same time. they are not paid what it costs and they are not having to write. so it's a very high pocket situation. she believes society needs to decide either a donation is altruistic or paid properly. if society, either german society, spanish society or the european society, we decide that we don't mind commercialize in reproductive capacity. then

we need to find proper framework in which to do that with the right of the people who are actually willing to contribute with their eggs or with their reproductive capacity. and to have a good income to do that. so she's calling for a clear decision on whether it's an active kindness or but opinions differ based on egg donation and surrogacy. the debate in germany has been going on for years. the national academy of sciences, which that can finishes the part of once egg donation to be legalized. not the following devices, john donations have been carried out for more than 30 years now. these days, the band is hard to justify legally, ethically, or medical. i regret that it can't be carried out in germany,

in an orderly way. it could be well regulated, so that couples are advised properly the don't is their advice properly. and that only a limited amount of money is given to the don't spend. but others disagree. political scientist because belongs to a network of scientists, that activity opposes any legalization of ag donation. or, sorry to see, she says the altruism argument is unrealistic and there aren't enough women who would donate voluntarily. that does i'm $5.00 to $1.00. that means a certain level of compensation will be needed and then we still won't have enough . so the compensation will be increased. and before you know, you have a line of business where women are risking their health before the benefits of others. i gain some ups and i'm a donation. and so i guess the unethical or perfectly acceptable is legalize ation . low neva gene. what the government's doing? to clarify these questions. the german justice ministry referred me to the health

ministry, which in turn points to a memorandum written by the german medical association. it says, there are complex legal, ethical, and societal aspects to consider. the current governing coalition agreement foresees neither the drafting of a new law on reproductive medicine, nor any modification to the existing embryo protection act. so the german government doesn't have the issue on its agenda, and neither is it triggering any new debate on those complex legal, ethical, and societal aspects. those affected will have to wait from cisco fab. i never had a child. instead, she devoted her life to advising other couples, wanting children, and calling for germany to finally make a decision on the donation and salary. gassy. she says the silence surrounding these issues and the ignorance of many politicians is a disaster. this house and his team on his time were too afraid to broach the

subject that we get rounded by saying it's banned in germany. please go abroad and we abandon tens of thousands to a situation where there's no proper legal framework support and no advice on it. because that's not love, we just abandon people and then wonder why there's a problem. but the also based on, sorry cassie and donation medical experts in the you took a loss about our wisdom, but often the sour goodson don't just have financial needs, potential problems, both physical and emotional, frequently go unmentioned. meanwhile, those wanting children face a dilemma with no where to turn to objective advice. clarity is needed and rules the affair for all the me. in the other,

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